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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike! | | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike! |
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| **If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}} | | **If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}} |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Here's the pages I think we should keep for the magazine, aside from the cover, contents, and three news pages (one for KH, two for both Wikis). Note that I don't think the magazine should include Featured Articles since they have their own dedicated sections on the Wiki anyway.
| | ''See [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1#Magazine]]'' |
| *Special Editor Page: Topic and writer changes entirely from issue to issue (e.g. in one edition it could be a theory while in another, it could be an analysis of all Sora's costumes) FinalRest came up with this idea.
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| *Dive to the Heart: FinalRest came up with an idea of a game tutorial and a wiki tutorial, however considering we have a Wiki's worth of information (and we even have walkthroughs now!) the game tutorial will be pointless. We should probably focus on the wiki tutorial (e.g. customising talk bubbles or different ways of linking)
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| *Round Room: FinalRest's idea of a staff roundtable with quotations and dialogue between staff. What conversation topics could we have, though?
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| *User Page (unnamed): FR's idea. It will contain a user interview (about what, we need to figure out), top 5 list (e.g. top five magic commands) and a review, which doesn't always have to be about games. We have other topics too like mangas, battle abilities and gameplay mechanics.
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| *The Game Grid: FR's idea: place for puzzles and riddles. I think we could perhaps host competitions around them and give out accolades to the winner.
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| *Interactive Page: FR's idea: it would have a mailbag and FR also had ideas of "5 tasks for khwiki.com", "5 tasks for the Keyhole" and "5 tasks for KH games". I don't entirely understand what those would be so perhaps we should replace it with a poll.
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| So what do you think guys? We need everyone's opinions and ideas so this project doesn't die out again!}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|text=I think for the Interactive Page, FR might have meant 5 tasks that we want users to do for the KHWiki, 5 tasks needed for the Keyhole, and 5 challenges to do in "X" game(s), where X is any or many of the Kingdom Hearts games. By the way, just thought we should have an area for people to sign-up for the magazine.}}
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| {{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=I was wondering what happened to this project. Maybe we could have a page (or fit somewhere on the page) with a user's fanart. (KH-universe related of course.) There would have to be a few rules in place, but if someone wants to submit a drawing of Sora or something, there could be a user that would take submissions through email, and put it in the appropriate dedicated section.
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| We could have a section that advertises The Mirage arena and The Underdrome, like "This weeks fights" and they could like to the arenas.
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| "The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file." By "the wiki" are you referring to khwiki.com, The Keyhole, or both?
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| "Who can write the coding?" Since the main structure is pretty much completed (from what I can tell) Different users can edit different pages. Perhaps a sign up list is in order if there isn't one already? (I feel like we did do this, but I can't remember ._.)
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| This was going to be released bimonthly correct?
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| I think that once things get going, this should be put on the site notice at the top of every page?
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| :Okay, I've got up with some ideas: first, what about the user page being called, "The Keyblade Master" or something like that? Mirage Arena and Underdrome current battles will be held at the same pages of their news. And that's it for now :) - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 13:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=A fanart page sounds good ("Namine's Sketchbook" would be the obvious title) since readers can make requests through the mailbag. We could have a section for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome but considering each issue will be released after three month, we'll need a tournament bracket to fill in the last three months and then a "This week's fight" for the next upcoming ones. About having the "5 tasks", I don't think we need them as projects sounds like something that should go in the wiki summary of what's been happening in the past three months. "The Keyblade Master" sounds great.
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| I'm not sure what wiki will host the magazine yet. Which Wiki already gets more visitors? I think the one with less visitors should host it so that more traffic can come its way, as long as the Wiki with more visitors advertises and links to the magazine on the main page. Also, the initial plan was it was going to be released bimonthly but in a roundtable we decided to have it every quarter year. That way, the news sections have a chance to be more fleshed out and we have more time to actually write the thing. In other words, we favoured four issues that had oompth, in a year, rather than six slightly lackluster ones.
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| This thread could be stickied and site noticed but we need an admin for that (*hint hint*) :P
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| In other news, I added a list of posts we'll need to be more specific since a general sign-up list usually doesn't go well as people don't know what their individual job is. People should change posts each issue to keep things fresh. I also thought of an idea for the puzzle/riddle competition. What we could do is make the readers email their answers through the mailbag and then, we'll get all the names of the people who were correct and give them accolades for their user pages. The interesting part is we pick one of the names out of a hat (or in the internet's case, a random name generator) and give them the "golden" prize, which is having their name featured on the next magazine issue. Thoughts?
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| *"Trinity Archives" (KH News Report)
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| *"Unlocking the Keyhole "(The Keyhole Report)
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| *"The Door to Light" (KHWiki.com Report)
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| *Mirage Arena and Underdrome tournament brackets and "This week's fight"
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| *"The Keyblade Master" (Special Editor Page)
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| *"Dive to the Heart" (Wiki tutorial)
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| *"Round Room" (dialogue between staff)
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| *"Mark of Mastery" (User interview, top 5 list and review)
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| *"Naminé's Sketchbook" (Fanart)
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| *"The Game Grid" (Puzzle/Riddle)
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| *"Interactive Page" (mailbag and poll) still nameless.
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| At this moment, we've already worked out the magazine's skeleton. We now need an updated template and we should start writing the actual content (I'm writing mine in my userspace). Remember to add your names to the sign-up above!}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Update: I've written a draft for the wiki guide and top 5 list [[User:TheFifteenthMember/Workshop|here]]. Keep in mind that the wiki guide will probably look much nicer with breaks and things to make stuff actually look like code. How is it?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|text=Well, I was hoping we could have the magazine hosted on the Keyhole, since it seems to be the one without much traffic nowadays. However, it's seeming like few are interested (Only Chain has come to make any contribution, and I'm sure he's not the only one there).
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| Concerning the code, what else needs to be done? MEX seems to have done basically everything, all that's needed is the actual content, from my perspective.
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| What's a mailbag? Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I don't get it from context.
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| Things have sure slowed down since the Roundtable, haven't they? We need to bring this to more people's attention before it dries up again.}}
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| {{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I have brought this up with a few users at the Keyhole, I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me. Why can't we have it on both sites?
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| {{FinalRest|time=14:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hullo! I'm excited the magazine idea is up and running again. ^_^ Although I'm a bit reluctant to sign up for things, because I don't want to stick my name on things I won't be able to follow through on. :S
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| But anyway, for clarification, the 5 tasks for the interactive page are pretty much a way to trick people into editing. 5 small tasks that need doing around both wikis so people can maybe set it as a goal to do everything on the tasks list. Then the game tasks are to stop that section from being all business. :)
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| For hosting, why not host on both sites?
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| Also, although I'm not sure I have the time to write articles, I'd be more than happy to proof read articles and add them into the templates. Where should I sign my name to do that?}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|persuade=Okay, we could definitely host it on both sites! There's quite a bit of code left to do, considering we've reskinned the project and modified parts. Also, I still think the "game tasks" isn't a good idea because I doubt anyone will appreciate us telling them what to do in a game. Really, most people have played their KH games already, so unless anyone can think of some good ones, the challenges will be a rather useless space. If we do that, the "only business" element would've went so we could move the tasks to the relevant Wiki report pages.
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| Question: Can someone elaborate on the Round Room and user interview ideas? What sorts of things could we do?
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| Also, I'd like to remind everyone that we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew. We'll need to be writing quite a few articles later on so I'm hoping everyone is thinking of ideas. I'm afraid the "Sign-Up" sheet is putting people off so I think I'll restructure it in a way that people can post their ideas/drafts for each page and then the writers can take it from there. Hopefully, that doesn't force editors to have a massive commitment but lets them contribute at whatever level they're comfortable with. That'd be needed to write every issue so we probably need a page in the "KHWiki:" space, like the Votes for Featured Media. We need a place where both Keyhole and '.com users can discuss together, though.
| | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|angry=Whee! Issue #1 is a go. |
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| On a final note: If we're releasing each issue after every three months, we'll need to divide the year into quarters. The simplest way to do that is releasing an issue on every January, April, July and October. Considering E3 is mid-June, I'm hoping our first issue will be ready for the coming July and that leaves us over two months. If we spend the first month going over formats and writing the magazine template, we can start writing content and recording the podcast in the second month. Do you guys think that's an achievable target?}}
| | If we only have one piece for the KM, it's not a bad thing; it means we can go with FR's plan. Also, has the template been copied onto the Keyhole yet? Is the Keyhole advertising the magazine?}} |
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| {{MEX|time=14:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)|happy=Okay, almost done with the coding. About the game grid, got two ideas. For puzzles we could do something like that classic "Who is this Pokemon?", but with Dream Eaters, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed and even characters. In the riddles, if someone can think off, we can put a quote for people to tell from who it is. Ideas? Also, counted Cover as page 1 and COntents as page 2 just because... well... come on, it's cool to have exactly 13 pages in a KH magazine XD.}} | | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=There currently is no mention of the magazine on the Keyhole. If you guys need help over there, just tell us. I, for one, am ready to help.}} |
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| {{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I know a certain someone that's pretty good at riddles... lemme see if I can get him on board. I do like the "Who's that pokemon?" idea though. Could there possibly be prizes for getting them right?}}
| | I got the Keyhole handled. I'll advertise when the issue is actually out. I still need to know what images can be uploaded here. Oh, and we might wanna archive this page. :P {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
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| {{FinalRest|time=16:16, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Welp, the idea for the game tasks was sort of like the extra challenge things some users created over on the Keyhole. An example of the three types of task could be
| | Thanks for updating the template, KSM. I just noticed I updated the wrong place as you made the edit. >_> I have made a [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Flick_Rush_Medal task medal] on the Keyhole, if someone wants to copy the coding over here. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
| *Keyhole: Create a Treasure Chest locations table for any of the KHII worlds
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| Yano, crazy crap like that. ^_^ We could also post the sigs of people that complete the tasks as a bit of boasting rights. :)
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| The Round Room was originally going to be a page for Staff members to get together and chat about a randomly chosen KH question. But, looking at it now, that's pretty much what the podcast will be. So should we change the Round Room page to a page for the podcast? To fill out the page I think it might also be a good idea to add a transcript of the podcast, if that's possible to do.
| | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Forum has been archived, though we may need a new forum to archive, 'cuz now the talk page needs archiving (that's where I put the archives to this forum). Also, I apologize, FR, for having forgotten to mention you in the Template:Magazine for your contributions, you truly deserve it. Regarding the Template, I guess we could copy it here. I don't see why not, just that people may not use it (they may just display it in the body of their userpage rather than with the template.}} |
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| The user interviews were a way to introduce veteran editors. A short little chat of maybe 5 questions, to give an idea of who they are as both an editor and a fan of the KH series.
| | Oh, it's no problem, KSM. XD So I automatically went little corner medal for the Flick Rush, but do you think a box reward would be better? Something like the rewards for the merge project you did here? {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 16:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
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| | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Well, I'll still copy the template over. Just in case.}} |
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| | {{neumannz|time=17:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Start archiving to [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1]], etc.}} |
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| You made a good point about the wiki already having game tutorials available, but I still think it'd be a good idea to include small game walkthroughs. What I think would be good would be to take extracts out of the walkthroughs and include them in the tutorial page. For instance, we can have something like "How to beat Terra-Xehanort" and underneath that we link to the rest of the BBS walkthrough. That way we're generating interest in other parts of the wiki.
| | {{UnknownChaser|time=18:35, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|black=Podcast is being uploaded, should be done in the next 3-4 hours, depending on how my internet hates me. Here's the url link for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YMQnHla0 to be used when its up.}} |
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| Almost done! Do we have someone who can whip/is whipping up title images for the different sections of the magazine? Cause we only have text right now to head each section, and that's kind of bland. ;D
| | {{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 08:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)|roxas=We did it guys! Now we wait for the next season.}} |
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| | {{FinalRest|time=13:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Wow, guys, just... wow. It. Looks. Awesome.}} |
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| | {{FinalRest|time=05:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=New section to keep the template separate from the article discussion. Also, I apologise in advance for the wall of text I know I'm about to type out. |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=MEX, those are great ideas! To make the "Guess the Quote" puzzle more wholesome, maybe we can turn it into a "Who am I?" riddle by including more facts and details. For example:
| | So, as of yesterday, I have done all I can in regards to the coding of the template. I'm gonna go page by page and list the issues I see/changes I've made/opinions I need for what we have. Please take a look at [[User talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest#Test|the test run]] so you can take a look at what I'm referring to. :) Also note that I am referring to the template ONLY. In other words, if I say a page is done, I mean the code for the page, not the articles/other content within it. |
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| | *Both pages are done and dusted |
| | ;Ansem Reports |
| | *This isn't a necessity but I would still appreciate if someone could figure out how to space out the boxes a bit. Basically, I want the boxes to look like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/Untitled-1copy_zpse12589f2.png this]. |
| | *There's still no answer to how to add videos to the template. We can always just include links to trailers and things, but I think being able to include the proper videos would make the journal section (and any other sections with videos) much more visually pleasing. |
| | ;Unlocking the Keyhole |
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| | ;The Door to Light |
| | *Do ya'll want log sections to match the keyhole? |
| | *Are you scrapping the Command Board section? Cause I'll cut it from the code if you are. :) |
| | ;The Coliseum |
| | *Probably our most indecisive page. ;D First, I can't remember if the Recent Battles section was given the go ahead. What do you guys think of that section? |
| | *Ah, the debated Coming Soon sections. We really need to come to final decision with these. I think I'm the only one that likes the images advertising the upcoming contestants, and the preferred method is the banner, right? Well I'm fine with just the same image for each issue, but I'd press for listing the contestants underneath the banners to give people a reason to click there. Basically, we need to click bait. Any ideas for how to do so? |
| | *I spaced out the debate section of the page. Is the convo easy to follow? |
| | *Also with the debate section, is there a way to implement the speech bubble codes into the main template? Not a biggie, but doing so would cut down the mag's article coding quite a bit. |
| | ;The Keyblade Master |
| | *Done. All the personalized stuff will be left to whoever the KM is for the issue. |
| | ;Dive to the Heart |
| | *Like with the Ansem page, I would like a gap between the boxes if possible. |
| | ;The Round Room |
| | *Where are we hosting the audio and video? Let me know so I can add the correct codes in. |
| | *Will the Podcast peeps be taking topic requests? Let me know if I have to add in a section for contact details. :) |
| | *Should I add in a "Starring..." box? You know, a place to list all the people participating in the recording? Or will it be included under the In this episode box? |
| | *Regardless of the outcome of the above, are avatars still going to be used to identify speakers in the video? If so, I'll make sure there's room in the template. |
| | ;Mark of Mastery Exam |
| | *Done, I think. |
| | ;Naminé's Sketchbook |
| | *Changed the colors a bit. Are they okay? |
| | *I couldn't figure out how to get the boxes to hug the images. Can anyone help? I would like it to look more like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/2_zps35f26d2b.png this]. |
| | *Is all the art we feature on this page going to be from our editors? Or will we feature random fan art? Need to know for coding purposes. ^^ |
| | ;The Grid |
| | *So I added a little story into the Guess the Beast part, so it was a bit more dynamic than just "Guess the Beast". But it's hella cheesy. XP Feel free to make it... better. |
| | *Riddles! I think we might want to include more. What do you think for a max number? |
| | *The Grid looks barren and I think we need to add some more features. I looked at my original pitch for the page to get some ideas and these were the ideas we had: |
| | :#A Puzzle. Like, a ''proper'' puzzle. Is there anyone here who knows how to make wordfinds or crosswords etc? |
| | :#A KH Skit. The original thinking behind this was like a recurring comic, but in script form... or even if comic form, if someone was willing to whip that up. I was thinking of it being based around the same characters, with room for expansion to a bigger cast. We could do it on KH (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: The struggle with fire insurance) or maybe some editors could collaborate on their own adventures (Chainoffire and FinalRest in... Nose Punch III: Fisticuffs!) or even mix the two together (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: Why are those two idiots punching each other in the nose?) |
| | :#A one shot voting arena for the readers to participate in in the comments... or talk page, I dunno. We could also use this one to advertise the next issue. For example, in a Namine VS Roxas battle, we could have whoever wins be featured on the next cover, or the subject of one of the next articles etc. |
| | *Those are just the old ideas, so others are welcome. Long story short: we need something else for the Grid page, so it isn't so basic. |
| | ;Flick Rush |
| | *Does the format for the mailbag look alright? |
| | *Is the mailbag always going to be one question? Or multiple? If the latter, what is the max number? |
| | *I changed the To Do Lists, to make the tasks smaller than the original ones set, as an example of what they should look like. The idea is that they're small, manageable tasks to encourage editing. |
| | And that's all I've got! I really need opinions on all of the above, so I can put the template aside with the knowledge that we've done all we can to it. Oh, and feel free to comment on anything else you want to change/add. Finally, I apologise to all the editors whose names I've randomly chucked throughout the test. XD}} |
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| If we have a "Guess the Heartless", "Who am I?" and the riddle CoF's "certain someone" will provide, we can have three segments for our puzzle page, which sounds pretty great to me! Earlier, I mentioned having a competition where people email their answers and the ones who get everything correct gets a special mention. The only prize I can think of, other than an accolade and a special mention, is them getting first priority in posting questions to the mailbag and making requests for the Namine's Sketchbook. The special mention means we can include a fourth section on the puzzle page that contains the answers for the previous issue's puzzles and those special mentions. Side note: KHWiki and the Keyhole does have a shared email account, right?
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| | '''Ansem Report''': Finished! I found the code needed , it's a code called "border-spacing". Feel free to play with it all you want. As far as the video(s), the problem was with the pipes (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) in the border code. I fixed it this morning as well. Technically (and I checked), you could just add a video without the border/titles, just the youtube parameters (<nowiki><youtube>YouTube URL here</youtube></nowiki>). It just looks less...appealing. |
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|confused=All this time, I thought the Round Room was related to the Roundtable, and was meant to be a summary of relevant points from the recent Roundtables of both wikis! Well, screwed that one up.
| | '''The Door to Light''': I feel like the Logs are out, except for the new users log. I also wish to have the Command Board back, but as FM noted, the contents of it are very redundant to the Trinity Archives. If we bring the Command Board Back, we'd have to get rid of the Trinity Archives. So, I don't know if we want it or not. |
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| | '''The Coliseum''': Again, I feel the Mirage Arena/Underdrome sections need to be reduced a bit, just not too much that they become filler sections or random, out-of-place sections. I really don't like a banner alone. It seems too simple and random. |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|sad=Sorry about the confusion, I'm going to post a summary and "to do list" soon. And I'm hoping "soon" is tomorrow but I can't make any promises I can't keep :<
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| | '''The Round Room''': I really don't know much about the podcast, that seems to be something among the people doing it. Perhaps asking them (ChainofFire) would prove useful... |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)|default=I made [[KHWiki:Magazine|this]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|this]] but they didn't prove to be as useful as I envisioned them to be. Can anyone make the Journalist Spot better? Anyway, I'll post a list of suggestions for magazine template later (on MEX's draft).}}
| | '''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I totally screwed up this page for, like, fifteen minutes. I couldn't get the boxes to hug the image, sorry. My idea (and maybe you can get it to work) is to have the image inside a one cell table inside the table that you coded. That way, the background of the inner, one-cell table would be filled in the yellow/pink gradient, and the background of the outer, existing table would be set to none, to seem transparent and non-existent, even though it's there. Just a thought, though, and it get complicated because it'd be an image within a table within a table within a tabber page designed/coded as another table. Really complicates things, especially with that stupid pipe (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) problem. |
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| | '''Guess the Beast''': Yeah, the story is really cheesy and childish, but I can't make it any better. As far as any other things, I'm open to most of it. The only thing I have a hard time seeing as lasting is the skit, just because I don't know if we can get enough people interested in writing one up. But if we can, why not? I can't come up with any other ideas at the moment. |
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First of all, sorry, I had to use this cool new Tron talk bubble.
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| Now that that's out of the way, to business. TheFifteenthMember has posted some things on the Magazine Test's [[User_talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest|<font color=#FFFFFF>talk page</font>]], and I've gone as far as I could. Basically, the info was added to the contents page, added a cover area and parameter for the Cover image, and commented out the logs on "Door to the Light". Just like FM, I'm not sure if the Keyhole still wants that, it's up to them. I left the New Users log, and I think that should just highlight our new regulars here, rather than every new account made.
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| | *'''The Door to Light:''' Yeah, I think we're scrapping all the logs, except the New Users (and that already has its own section anyway). In terms of the Command Board, I got it wrong earlier. The Trinity Archives tells people news of Wiki affairs (i.e. new affiliations), while the Command Board tells people news about projects (such as Mega Project Arise) so we should have both on there. |
| | *'''The Coliseum:''' See what I wrote above under the "Crunch Down" section. |
| | *'''Round Room:''' A "Starring" bar sounds like a good idea. It could even become a "Meet the Cast" where each participant introduces themselves. |
| | *'''Namines Sketchbook''': Ideally it should be our own fanart but if we're at a stretch, we can compile fanart (crediting the painters if needed) |
| | *'''The Grid''': I liked the little story; I thought it was perfect! I think there should be enough riddles to fill the empty space in the box so an arbitrary amount. I could make a crossword but someone will have to help editing the image to make the background transparent and whatnot. I'm not sure the skit will work because it'd be hard making a comic for it (but if we do, it'd be more suited for Namine's Sketchbook). I don't think the voting arena is a good idea because we already have the Coliseum so we don't want any redundancy. Also, we need contact details for the Grid. |
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| I chose not to mess around with "The Round Room". The code seems a little complicated with the whole talk bubbles, and I'd rather not mess it up. The same applies to "The Mark of Mastery Exam", since FM suggested moving the talk bubble thing to this page, though I did rename it.
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| | {{FinalRest|time=17:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|normal4=I finished all the banners! Are there any you want changed? Let me know what you think would be better and I'll whip it up. If there are no problems with the banners, should I upload them here? If I do, what category should they go under? |
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| I changed the color scheme for the first box of "The Grid", more for suggestions' sake (if we're using the name, is should have the scheme). I also split the columns for the "Guess the Beast" and Puzzles sections.
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| | '''The Door to Light''': Okay, no logs for you. :) I think you can just use the Trinity Archives for the Command Board stuff, because if the command board is for project updates, then that falls under wiki news. But if the command board is just a list of all the projects and you guys really want a section for that, then I think we should add that section to Flick Rush, under the to do lists. Also, I'm not sure who did the title logo for Door to Light, but could you please make it so the words fit on one line and up the size to 90 pixels high? Please and thank you! |
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| | '''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I tried messing around with your idea, KSM, but also had no luck... For the Sketchbook, I also read that the original idea was for it to display ''all'' creative things our editors have been working on. For example, we could include talk bubbles people are proud of, or if the wiki gets a change of skin we can showcase that. Or should we limit it to art only? |
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| | '''The Grid''': Haha, I read KSM's comment and was going to try and rewrite it, but if you like it FM, I'll leave it. ^_^ I upped the riddle count to 5, so it fills the box more. And yay for crosswords! What are we thinking for the puzzle section name? And the puzzle makes the page much more interesting. We can store away those other ideas for the future. :) Now, I know we are offering rewards for the to do lists, but do we want to do them for the Grid? We could simplify the process by just creating hover links to reveal the answers. |
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| {{FinalRest|time=08:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy4=Sorry for taking a while to get back to you KSM, but for the images right now I think the page titles are a good place to start. All the pages just have the titles in text, which is boring. I don't think we ever came up with any ideas for how the title images should look, so feel free to do whatever you think would look best. :)}}
| | '''Flick Rush''': I upped the mailbox count to three! For the to do lists, is proof necessary for the game tasks? I think it might be easier to go on good faith, although proof is needed for the wiki tasks, of course. Also, where are we going to list the people who earned medals? To code an winners box into the mag would mean there'd be an empty box in the first issue. What about putting them in the first box in the Ansem Reports page? Prime real estate to encourage other users... |
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| {{FinalRest|time=10:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy5=So I was working on the code and realized that the KH series updates page is called the Trinity Archives, after the news page here, but on the Keyhole ours is called Jiminy's Journal. So what do you think about the merging the two names? I was thinking something like The Trinity Journal or Jiminy's Archive...
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|confused=For the poll, we could make the entire poll column thinner, giving more space to the mailbag but balancing out the empty space. Also, I still think we should scrap the "New Users" on the wiki reports as it's hard to determine what classifies a "regular editor". If there's anyone that has done a truly tremendous amount of work, we can give them a shoutout in the news summary. | | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|default=*Yeah, I don't really mind joining the command board and trinity archives together. |
| | *I think any "creative" pieces sounds good for namine's sketchbook. |
| | *I don't think we should add contact details for top 5 and review cos it'd be better if the editors think of their own original ideas. |
| | *I think we should do the hoverlinks. |
| | *We can try going on good faith for the first issue. |
| | *With the box, I think we shouldn't worry about it for now. It's inevitable the template will change sometime in the future when we have new ideas so don't worry about the future templates affecting the older archives; we can always archive templates and change links and whatnot. |
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| | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I agree with what FM has said above. Specifically regarding the contact details, I think that is easily addressed with the talk page. Viewers can simply give suggestions on the talk page for other battles, since FR mentioned the Coliseum. But for the Top 5 and Review, it should be just the editors' own ideas. |
| | *How are the hoverlinks going to work for the crossword? |
| | *Regarding the name, the puzzle section could simply be named "The Light Cycle", since it's Tron-related, and it reminds me of the Light Cycle from Space Paranoids in ''Kingdom Hearts II''. |
| | *I'll get on the image for the Door to Light. Now that I've seen your images, I've been inspired a little on how to do it. The same for the Light Cycle, if you want. |
| | *Regarding the story: Again, I can't make it any better, so keep it! |
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| | {{FinalRest|time=04:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Okay, I'll add in hoverlinks now! |
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| | For the crossword, we'll have to make two versions: one with empty boxes, another with the filled in answers. Then we can link the completed puzzle underneath so people can check their work. If the crossword on there now is the one we'll use upon release, can whoever made it (I think it might've been MEX, but I'm not sure ;P) make another version with the answers written in? Also for the Crossword, could we put the clues in normal text so it's easier to read? Oh, and should these sorts of puzzles have a print out version? I'm not sure how we'd do that, though. |
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| {{MEX|time=14:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Awesome changes there FR. I loved all of them, specially the new gradient design for the Trinity Archives. If you guys want, the name can simply be changed to Jiminy's Journal to match the Keyhole. Any way, I don't know excatly how to embed videos in wiki text, but I will check up on the margins now. Thanks for the help, I'm kinda busy again this week.}}
| | The Light Cycle is a great name! You can go ahead and make the title if you want, but I'm here if you want me to do it. :) |
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First of all, I really love what was done with the archives page. Should we do that with all the pages/more pages? Regarding the name, I'd rather give it a whole new name, like "Reports" or something like that, if possible.
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| | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=With the crossword, instead of making a second version with filled in answers, we could alternatively add the answers by adding hoverlinks over each clue. However, if we do that, we need to cut the text from the image and write out the text in wikicode so it's equally preferable to stick with linking to a filled-in version. The clues would be better off in normal text. We could do a print out version by linking to an image that has the right dimensions and is black and white (I'm sure there's a more sophisticated/better way of doing it though). |
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| | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=21:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, I'm out as far as the crossword goes. I don't know how we'd do it, as far as the answers go. Maybe put a link to them in the following issue, like other magazines often do? I'm fine with whatever you guys decide regarding that. |
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| | {{UnknownChaser|time=05:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=I don't where to bring this up, but this seems to be the right place. But for the page with the Round Room,theres needs to be a section to be put a [http://roosterteeth.com/podcast/episode.php?id=267 link dump/show notes].}} |
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| *I've inserted examples of the logs section, so you can see the idea behind them. They're not meant to be a big list of every log entry, but more a summary of the important changes. The idea is that it gives us a way to make sure policies are properly understood, and it also serves to explain some changes new users might be confused by. We can still scrap it if you think its a waste of time. :)
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| As you guys have surely noticed, FinalRest has been messing around with the gradients. Which has inspired me to do the same with some of the other pages. I used gradients to try and fulfill FifteenthMember's request for lighter colors, which worked, except for the purple link color, which kind of gets lost. Don't know if anyone wants to play with that.
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=19:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Small update I made this morning. I made the author parameters more uniform, now the author only needs to put in their username (some of the pages, like Flick Rush and Door to Light, needed the author to put the entire link to work). I also added the font color codes so that the links are still visible on the author names.
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| *'''Quarter 3''': ''July'', August, September,
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| *'''Quarter 4''': ''October'', November, December
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| <small>(A new issue will be released on each month written in italics)</small>
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| {{FinalRest|time=04:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|happy=Phew, there's a lot to catch up on!
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| Thanks for giving the video and padding stuff a shot, KSM! I ran into the same problems you did, so if there's anyone else that can help, please give it a go!
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| FM, we can add in extra author tags for the pages that will have multiple authors. The naming structure sounds good to me!
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| Okay, now my update! I've played around with the wiki news pages, and made some minor edits.
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| *Moved Jiminy's Journal section to top of Unlocking the Keyhole. Figured that should be the first focus of the page.
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| *Added a Trinity Archives section on Door to Light.
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| *So the Command Board section was focused on projects that were going on, but the Door to Light should focus more on news. So I moved the test stuff from the Command Board into the Trinity Archives section, changing it a bit so it's more "look what we've started doing!" and less "these are the things that need doing." I hope you get what I was going for.
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| Anyway, that got me thinking about a section for listing projects. Do we want one of those? I was thinking we could put one on the Flick Rush page, since that's the page designed for user interaction. Thoughts?
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| Now, I have an idea for how we can put the coliseum page to good use, so I'll give that a go soon and see what you guys think.}}
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| {{FinalRest|time=10:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|happy2=Alright, I'm done with the Coliseum! Changes can be seen on the test page. This is what I've done:
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| *Added the recent battles section, which is how we can go over the fights that have ended since the last issue.
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| *Added coming soon section. For the image we can splice together all the contestants that'll be coming up in the battles between release and the next issue. That way we can generate interest for the current/future battles, without having to constantly update that page every time the current battle changes.
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| *Changed the station of awakening around a bit. For the versus bit, we can change the images to represent what the argument is about if able. For instance, if the discussion was Riku VS Sora, we would put images of Riku and Sora in the box. But for something that doesn't really have a picture representation (Strength/Defense for instance) we can put in the characters the two debaters will use to identify themselves, as I've done with the test page.
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| *I moved the old roundtable template for use in the SoA. Do you think it's easy to follow the convo, or should I make the gaps between boxes bigger? Also, should I put a "Username says:" in the speech bubbles, or so you think the avatars are good enough for identification?
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| *I couldn't really figure out how to implement the speech bubbles into the template for a conversation that has an undetermined length. Anyone who wants to put the speech bubbles in the template can find the code in the test section.
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| Thoughts? Anything you want to scrap? Any other ideas?}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|default=I like most of the changes to the Station of Awakening, but I'm still in favour of having a [http://i.imgur.com/XbnW05R.png banner] at the bottom of the page instead of the whole "coming soon" and "recent battles". While I appreciate them generating interest in the MA and UD, I feel they don't add anything meaningful to the magazine. On the other hand, the banner still advertises the arenas but does it in a more discreet, low key.
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| The speech bubbles are great FR! The only improvements I would make is widen the gaps between each bubble to make it more akin to a text message conversation and add the usernames above each bubble. Also, everything has a picture representation if we use symbolism. For example, the images for a "Strength vs Defense" fight can be a Dream Sword and Dream Shield.
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| And KSM: With the "Door to Light" title image, can't we use the font that was made for our logo?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I agree with FM in that the Station of Awakening could use a little work. I'm not sure I like the idea of summarizing the entire three month's battles, but I don't know. I wouldn't complain if it stayed that way. Regarding the image, I've tried a new image. Thoughts?}}
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| ===Crunch Time===
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=Alright, it's June. According to the plan, now's the time to start writing up articles and making content so we should get going. There's still a few things we need to do for the template, however:
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| *Sort out the Coliseum. The meat of the article -the Station of Awakening- is mostly ready; the only tweak to be made is spacing out the talk bubbles. The main thing to decide is whether we prefer the banner or "coming soon" images.
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| *Add the "Game Tutorial" section for the Dive to the Heart.
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| *Remodel the entire Round Room page so that it includes areas for a description paragraph, agenda/summary points, the .ogg file and link to the YouTube version if we get that going.
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| *For the Mark of Mastery Exam, should we make the "Top 5" and "Review" boxes side by side to add some more [http://i.imgur.com/7L0KXAE.png verticality]. Also, will we use the talk bubble idea for the interview?
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| In terms of content, we've already written a few articles but have the majority left. The hardest things to make is the images (cover and Namine's Sketchbook).}}
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| {{MEX|time=19:54, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hey guys, thank you very much for the Nomination, really. It's my birthday present :) Well, my vacation probably starts next week, so I will have some freetime during the nights. I would like to write the Game Tutorial, if possible, something related to KH2 or KH3D. I think hte vertical layout for the Mark of Mastery exam page fits better. The news page will probably contain hte announcements of E3, so we don't have to worry about it. Using the talk bubble for the Interview looks awesome, they look pretty good on the Magazine pages they were already implemented. Will make some adjusts to the Magazine NOW.}}
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| ''Sign your name here if you want to take part!''
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| *{{User:Chainoffire/sig}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Discuss!}}
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| {{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 04:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|normal="How long should it be?"
| | '''Sidenote:'''Anyone notice when someone adds a talk bubble, for some reason, all the talk bubbles after FM's first talk bubble in the Template Talk section is turned back to links? It hasn't done it to me, yet, but it's done it to FM's edit and UC's edit. And then it fixes it without having to do anything more than just clicking "Edit" and then "Save Page", with no changes. Someone ought to get on that. |
| I'd say no more than an hour and a half, any longer than that then people would lose interest.
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| I'd say we have no more than 5 people per podcast, but if we get a lot of people sign up, then we could rotate the people in each podcast based on availability and/or interest of topic.
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| | "Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." So that explains much of what's missing on the page [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 05:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC) |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Five people per podcast sounds okay but the problem will be getting enough people to sign up! I'm not sure what program it would be hosted over; that's probably something all the people who sign up should decide afterwards. Also, I remember Chaser saying he was interested in doing visuals for the podcast so we could release a version on our YouTube channel too (or even replace the .ogg with it).}}
| | *KSM:That means this page needs to be archived. |
| :5 people is too much of a cluster to do, even with visuals going on (also, I'm too lazy to edit that much visuals), especially with audio-only podcast. Most podcast are done with 3/4 people so that its easier to hear whats being said. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC) | | Chaser: There is already a description sections on the roundroom page, we'll put it there. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC) |
| ::Alright, but so far we only have one person able to do the podcast. Anyone else who can do it? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::Visually speaking (depending on how lazy I'm gonna be when I edit this), and using me, FM, Ek, and Cof as example and that me and Cof are the one that are currently speaking, the podcast visual should look something like [http://i.imgur.com/wSo0p0L.png this]. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::Would it be possible to have the names besides each wavelength so that the viewer can match name-to-voice easier? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::::Over the IRC, UC explained to me that doing the visuals would take a lot of work since you'd be listening to the podcast for half an hour, figuring out who's speaking at each second and animating their wavelength. I think we should plan a podcast, record it and see how tedious it is to make the visual. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::::Sounds like a good idea. Another idea is to have the pictures on the side next to the wavelengths so it's a bit clearer. Not sure what'd happen to the logo though. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 03:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::Typing "<nowiki>:</nowiki>" over and over is getting to be a pain ಠ_ಠ Also I did do another [http://i.imgur.com/cWmM0jG.png layout] for the podacast thats more easier to understand. Also, also Cof to answer your question about G+ vs Skype. G+ will record your hangout and make it ready for upload, but you cant edit the video. While with Skype you would have to edit the thing and upload it. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::Just gonna stick my nose in here and say that that layout looks great, UC. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
| | {{UnknownChaser|time=16:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=Description =/= Show notes. The description is there to describe what we're talking about; i.e "''On this week, we talk about blank and blank...''" |
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| :Another topic: what is the podcast going to be rated? Is this going to be PG-13 or are we going to have to keep it PG? I'm sure minor swear words will slip out, but would we bleep/edit those out in the event that someone does accidentally say something? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
| | Show notes/link dump is there for us to put links to the discussion we talk about. A good example of descriptions and show note is with the [http://superbestfriendcast.com/ superbesfriendcast].}} |
| ::Considering this will still be a representation of the Wiki, I think it should use the same rules and standards as appropriate here (except obviously more informal), meaning it won't be like the IRC. About bleeping out words, I'd think that'd only be necessary if it's actually vulgar language. I don't know about you guys but in my eyes, words like "damn" and "hell" aren't exactly "swear words". {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::I say we make it PG13, thats what most podcast's tend to be around. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::That seems fair. We should probably give out a spoiler warning and a PG-13 warning at the beginning of the podcast then. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 22:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :So do we want to have a day to test this out then? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 02:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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| Update: so it look like we won't be able to do fancy audio visualizer, only because my computer can't run the damn thing, because its old. Also, the programs to make the audio wavelength is not compatible with my editing program and I'l too lazy to find the correct version. So my new idea is that we have a basic background with each person icon lighting up whenever someone talks. Also, also, everyone is gonna need to have their own microphone to capture high quality audio for me to edit with. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 12:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|default=Would this be an okay structure?:
| | ''See [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1#Podcast Discussion]]'' |
| *'''Introduction''': What the podcast is, who everyone is etc. (2-3 minutes)
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| *'''KH2.5 Discussion''': Talk about its features and discuss your expectations, opinions etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''KH3 Discussion''': Talk about its features and release date and discuss your expectations, impressions opinions, mechanics, story speculation, theories, reactions to E3 etc. (10 minutes)
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| *'''KHX Discussion''': Talk about the game, whether you like it or not, how easy the Japanese is to bear etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''KH3D Discussion''': Time travel discussion: How it works, any problems with inconsistency, clarifying any confusion etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''After KH3''': Thoughts, ideas and hopes. (5 minutes)
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| *'''Wiki Discussion''': Thoughts about the new projects, current happenings, users that have left, excitements and concerns etc. (5-10 minutes)
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| *'''Conclusion''': End podcast. (1 minute)
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| This structure would set up a podcast that'd be over half an hour. If every participant prepares their theories and speculation beforehand, hopefully the conversation won't dry up halfway before the allotted time. Also, if you record it after all the E3 news, there should be enough "juice" to run on. The structure will also require a chairman to transit between topics by saying things like "So that's KH2.5 discussed, let's talk about KH3...". How's that sound?}}
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- Greetings, users. System is up, and ready for user input. - 06:27 PM Sat, June 28, 2014 MST
FINALREST 
04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
New section to keep the template separate from the article discussion. Also, I apologise in advance for the wall of text I know I'm about to type out.
I finished all the banners! Are there any you want changed? Let me know what you think would be better and I'll whip it up. If there are no problems with the banners, should I upload them here? If I do, what category should they go under?
Chainoffire
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