Talk:Kingdom Hearts χ

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Icon has been uploaded: File:KHCHI Icon.png It's not being terribly cooperative though. Fix please. 199.188.206.185 06:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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Page also needs to be moved since the title is official. 199.188.206.185 06:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Done, but the article name isn't, and can never be completely correct due to technical limitations. --Sove 07:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

~_~ { ... *sigh* ) --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 07:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that does suck. But it's the best you can do. Blame Squenix for managing to complicate a single letter. 199.167.133.26 07:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Sign on to your goddamn account, Webber. maggosh 08:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok. How bout you go fuck yourself? Better idea? I think it is - it's a swell idea. Since you assholes IP banned me because I hurt your feelings, logging in is a pain in the ass considering I have to IP hop every time. 199.167.133.23 08:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh boy, this is just like last time. Why can't you two play along nicely? ShardofTruth 11:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Good lord, I ALREADY MOVED THE PAGE. Stop making a federal case out of every little thing, guys.

@Sove, the [chi] is for pronunciation only, it's not part of the title. Like [duodecim]. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 13:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I was not able to use χ either, but apparently it was caused by TitleBlacklist.--Sove 13:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Weird. I just cut and pasted it. Anyway, the important thing is that it's fixed. --72.66.110.50 19:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Alice?

Alice from Alice in Wonderland, who has already appeared in the KH1, has been confirmed for this game? Is this just a mere cameo? Because I find it hard to swallow that a girl as young as her would appear as an actual character in a game that supposedly occurs during the Keyblade War, which was like... what... centuries eariler? Blackchaos27 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

We always have to take pre-release screenshots with a grain of salt, maybe it's just a mockup shot to introduce the game's direction, maybe this scene will be cut from the final game, there are many possibilites. If the game is canon is also a bit ambiguous, maybe this is not the Alice from KH but another representation of her (data, dream, replica, you name it) or she really is a undead god ruling from beyond time and space through this tiny avatar. ShardofTruth 10:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I wouldn't question her appearance. Minnie and Mickey remained the same in the 10/11/12 years since Birth by Sleep to KH3D/KH2... as did Yen Sid, Stitch and so on and so forth. The only people who actually do age at all in the game are original characters and Final Fantasy characters. At least, according to what the Ultimania and other sources say. Even Huey, Dewey and Louie have stayed remained children and haven't aged into adults over the course of the games... so yeah, again, I wouldn't question Disney characters aging. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 15:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, this IS a game so not everything will be realistic. For example, for all the time Sora goes off on adventures, he never thinks about his MOTHER. TheFifteenthMember 15:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

@Erry - Anthropomorphic animals like Mickey and the others, I understand. Powerful sorcerers, like Yen Sid and Merlin, not surprising since those types of characters tend to have a very long lifespans. I'm only iffy because she's only human. That and I doubt ANY of the characters alive today were alive back then, otherwise I'd think Mickey would've remembered what happened back then. Also an issue concerning the seven princesses; if this occurs before the χ-blade was shattered, then the Princesses of Heart didn't exist yet.

However, seeing as this game is still in early development and there's really not much info at this point, and there have been a few unrealistic moments, I won't question it any further. Blackchaos27 (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Remember the second trip to Traverse Town in DDD, people. Time works differently in different worlds. Plus I believe that everyone from Disney Town is immortal. And as the events of the game take place before there were seven hearts of pure light, the fact that Alice is in this game is... confusing.

Also, it is impossible for this game to take place 2 - 4 years before the events of BbS. If the princesses were immortal, then Kairi would still be four years old in DDD. Let's just hope that we get more information soon... UxieLover1994 06:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Time works differently in different worlds. That may be. But even so I doubt a second in one world could be a year in another.

We're still not sure exactly when the seven fragments became hearts, and there's still the possibility of those lights actually being passed down from generation to generation. But as stated above this is still in it's early development and for all we know that screenshot (which I've never seen) could just be a mockup that could get removed from the game (it's been done before). Blackchaos27 (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

But it's the era of the keyblade war, if we believe Kairi's grandma, there should be only one world and one time. ShardofTruth 10:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

This could be before Alice's time in Wonderland in which case she stopped aging when she got there, not hard to believe as time works differently there. Darth Riku (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

KH13

We really need to not be using fansites as sources, even if they're accurate. Track the info down to a primary or journal source."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 04:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Open Beta

So the open beta started today (it's scheduled to end at August 1st) and anyone with a Yahoo! Japan ID can access it. Because the game is not canon (it's not the real keyblade war, just a retelling with much artistic freedom) how do we handle it here? There are some unique elements like new keyblades, new characters (e.g. Chirishii), new synthesis materials, even new locations like "Daybreak Town". And of course there are the cards which are more like the TGS game than the Chain of Memories variant. ShardofTruth 09:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

We should handle it the same way we do the manga, I guess. Separate story sections, but it is canon to itself."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 22:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay then, because an English translation seems to not in development at the moment the most important articles would be Daybreak Town (デイブレイクタウン, Deibureiku Taun), Chirishii (チリシィ), Foreteller (予知者, Yochi sha), the Unions (ユニオン, Yunion) and the new Heartless (Achoo Mole, Flower Rider and Jewelry Bag) I have yet to find the kanji for. ShardofTruth

Achoo Mole (アチューモール), Flower Rider (フラワーライダー) & Jewelry Bag (ジュエリーバッグ) ;) Lady Junky (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks:) ShardofTruth 11:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome :) But, I have a question: are you sure it is the Divine Rose in KH chi? Because it is really different :/ Lady Junky (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Im pretty sure it is. I think that these keyblades can be upgraded (getting the glas colored on the hilt, the rose bloom etc.) to eventually match their KH counterparts, at least that's what the file names suggest and I can vagualy remember that I also read this somewhere. But at least for now only these images can be found in the game files, this will probably change once the beta is finished and the real game begins. ShardofTruth 11:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok :) Sooooo... Any sign of Stroke of Midnight? xD You are doing a good job :) I hope you will find other elements :) ^^ Lady Junky (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

At least for now there is no evidence that the Castle of Dreams will be part of the game, although I also think we can expect to see it in the future. The real question is who the sevenths princess will be. Maybe grandma will includes Kairi in the story too but it would seem a bit strange to do so. ShardofTruth 11:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes :) Lady Junky (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

A new heartless: Wabble Tiptoe (ワッブルチップトウ). You can see it here ^^ Lady Junky (talk) 19:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

But wait, there is more (at least according to the game files): ShardofTruth 21:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Oo FANTASTIC! Do you have their names (of the news one of course :P) Lady Junky (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Sadly I don't, I've yet to find a way to access the game's text directly. ShardofTruth 21:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok :) Good luck :D Lady Junky (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Card list

Should there be a page with a list of the cards included in the game (name, rarity, off/def power, etc?) or is that unnecessary since it's just sort of a social game? --Wind Prism (talk) 07:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we should definite have such a list, but I'm not sure where to begin at the moment, probably the shown characters. Each cards is coded with an 8-byte string in the game, that's quite a lot. Maybe that's just the crushed name of the card but I think these refer to the different attributes instead. ShardofTruth 10:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Separate world pages/mission descriptions?

Do you guys think we should add separate Subsections for the Chi versions of the worlds? Maybe add some details/pages for the quests like we have for the 358/2 missions? GiroZX (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Why would we need separate subsections for each world? Shouldn't they just be covered as a secondary canon for each world, as we're doing with the manga?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

We'll need to use the world's game: pages, methinks. TheFifteenthMember 15:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Canonical?

Sorry for the question, but this game is canonical? Because i see the wiki give to him a lot of importance, but I don't understend why if is only a "game no-canon" because Alice, Aladdin and others appear here, but chronologicaly this one must be centuries later of BbS and ALice have 11 years old in KH1 so in BbS she must have 1 year old, so why she appear in this game? Same thing for Emblem Heartless, they are created after BbS, can somebody explain to me?--93.150.128.115 14:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The goal of the wiki is to cover all official KH stuff regardless its canon status, that's why the mangas, novels, trading card games, facebook games and all games SquareEnix released can be found here. Among them mobile and [chi] are not canon, but feature enough unique content to have their own pages. [chi] is a bit special though as Nomura confirmed that there will be connection to KHIII, probably meaning that some elements introduced in [chi] (Chirishii, the Fortellers, Daybreak Town, Lux, you name them) will also play a role in this upcoming game, even if the connecting story will differ from [chi]'s. So as you can see, it's a bit complicated and not everything has been worked out by this point. At the moment there seems to be no real guidline how to incoperate elements of [chi], like the new Heartless, in some articles but often there is a seperation line or tags that indicate which game there are from, so you can decide yourself what to make of it. --77.185.115.1 15:10, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok thank you^^ I hope to she the new Characters, worlds and Heartless in KH3 (specialy the new Heartless, I love struggle versus new enemies :) )--93.150.128.115 15:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Bringing this up again

So, I think this is KHX is going to become a proper, canon entry to the series. From their latest KHX news update, they mentioned (translated into English): "A Serious Story Begins!!" and "In this KINGDOM HEARTS, everything is connected to the main storyline. To all fans that have been playing the series, do not overlook this expansion in the story and please look forward to it.". That gives me reason to believe that KHX has been changed into a canon entry to the series, since they specifically said to not overlook the story. What do you guys think? TheFifteenthMember 22:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

There is a passage written in the Foretellers’ Script. It is an important fact that leads to KINGDOM HEARTS III.

Well shit, that enough holds enough water, let alone Nomura flat out saying "everything is connected to the main storyline." maggosh 23:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, just that doesn't make sure that the whole story itself is part of the main storyline, just that something in that script is important.It doesn't say that everything that happens in each wolrds individual storyline is canon. Although, that IS possible, since as Riku tells to Joshua in KH3D, "time flows different in any two worlds". So it is possible that Aladdin, Alice and the others didn't aged all those years after the war, and reamined almost the same during Sora's story. EDIT: Also, about the Keyblades, Shard once said that maybe after upgrading them, they would look like the ones from the other games. The new info said that (later, not yet) something would happen when you upgraded a keyblade to the maximum. Maybe that's it. - MateusinhoEX 19:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, changing the numbers of the icons similar to how we do with the cards, I found new Heartlles. Don't know if they already appeared, because I didn't played in the Halloween.

MateusinhoEX 19:12, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

It just won't die off...

So, it seems to me that rather than the whole game being canon, it might just be that part of the Foreteller's story that connects to Kingdom Hearts III. In determining canonocity (is that even a word?) you have to also see it from a real-world perspective. The nature of Kingdom Hearts games is to include Disney worlds. A game like Kingdom Hearts χ wouldn't have included new ones, they were going to have to use previously appearing worlds. Since it wasn't going to cost anything, even though it would be a cool game, they wouldn't mwke a big deal out of it, and so they didn t introduce new worlds (except for Daybreak Town) and they used a loose story. A story in which the basic concept was canon and well known, and the details wouldn't need to be. Parts of Kingdom Hearts χ are canon, things like this Foretellers story and general events leading up to the Keyblade War. Other parts, like the inclusion of Alice, Aladdin, and Snow White, aren't, and were added because of the Disney element that makes Kingdom Hearts games what they are. That's my understanding, seeing Tetsuya Nomura mentinoed the connection again last week. KeybladeSpyMaster 00:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

It's actually pretty clever if you think about it. There will probably never a game about the real events of the keyblade war, simply because the setting would be completely different, almost non-Disney like, it would also be a rather brutal event and even more importantly the mystery of these ancient times would be gone too. So it's made into a children's story that even allows some online play. Now SE can take all elements they think are defining Kingdom Hearts (Heartless, Disney worlds and characters etc.) and mix in new ones and later Nomura decides which of the (at the moment thin) stories and concepts should be kept and which should be forgotten. All elements that are canon will probably be repeated or summarized when KHIII arrives so there is really no need to differentiate at this point.

By the way, all story segments are translated on KHInsider since last week, so everyone can catch up. ShardofTruth 01:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I think if they do make a game based on the events leading up to and including the Keyblade War, it will be a full game, with a cost on an actual game console with new Disney characters and worlds and having set protagonists, like Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. So, I guess what I'm saying is, there's little that's canon about Kingdom Hearts χ, there's nothing huge I think will happen with the whole time difference mentioned in Kingdom Hearts 3D (and if it does, it's not going to explain anything here}, and there might be a chance we will play it here, but it won't be a huge deal story-wise.KeybladeSpyMaster 02:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Finally!

This is is. The only canon (currently) thing in this entire game. I know, we're not supposed to use KHInsider, but I thought it should be here now. So, here it is.

Chirithy:

You've really shaped up as a Keyblade Wielder, haven't you.

Uh-huh, you're looking really fine, too!

I think it's time to tell you, then.

Before my master, He who created me, disappeared,

He bestowed His six followers with new names, and gave five of them a tome of prophecy.

These five followers, who were to become the Foretellers, read the future written in the tome.

Apparently a passage written on the last page shocked them.

"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light.
The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness."

In order to save the future World, the five Foretellers thought to use the power hidden in the tome of prophecy.

That's the power you are all using now.

Through the cards, you are using the power of the future to try and protect the light from the darkness, and avert the future enveloped in darkness.

Also, as you know, even though the five Foretellers share the same goal, they by no means share the same will.

So, you mustn't lose sight of it yourself.

Connection Between Kingdom Hearts III and Kingdom Hearts χ - Kingdom Hearts Insider KeybladeSpyMaster 08:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if it has been said, but I think that even the individual/world storylines could be now considered as canonical since the Fortellers explain the cards allow to use "the power of the future", which would allow the players to travel through time, and therefore be able to meet characters who shoudn't exist in that time of the chronology.Sora1954 (talk) 00:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I think that's not what the game was refering to, because until this point time travel wasn't even mentioned in KH [chi]. "The power of the future" thing is basically a neat explanation why the cards almost only show popular Kingdom Hearts characters from the previous games. ShardofTruth 19:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Events coverage

So, should we have a page/section that cover the special events that been going on in the game (Christmas, New Year, etc)? Either in the Development section or a new article itself (List of Kingdom Hearts χ events or something like that). And that it list what items you get during the special events or the Heartless that appear during then. I don't play the game, so I have no idea if the enemies, cloths, etc that appears are permanent or event-only. UnknownCheisā ^{—— From Shadows} 23:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

We should definitely have coverage. Is there enough material to warrant a full article? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 03:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

If I may, I would look here. Shard has done a pretty good job with the translations and stuff. I think he might be the only one on the wiki doing this for us. You guys can decide if there is enough info there to make a full article, I'm not sure about it yet. I'd imagine, however, that if more info was needed, Shard would be the one to go to. KeybladeSpyMaster 05:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even know we already had a list of events. So there probably is enough material to cover a article. Once we figure out what actually happens during the events. UnknownCheisā ^{—— From Shadows} 20:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, some of them seem self-explanatory. For example, the Halloween Event (2013) obviously consisted of the Halloween-themed Heartless and made available all the Halloween-themed clothes (all of which are displayed on that same page, or the Player page. But other events, such as White Day, are far less self-explanatory (what could White Day even mean?). Again, I would recommend asking Shard about the exact details. In the meantime, if you guys don't mind, I will try and write up a draft. KeybladeSpyMaster 21:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: I know it's off-topic, but does anyone know how to stop the timestamp from shifting down the way it has on my sig. It's really gotten annoying.KeybladeSpyMaster 21:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 14:01, 27 March 2014 (UTC) The White Day is a Japanese Valentine's Day equivalent where the woman buy something for the men. Anyway the problem with these events now is there is practially no break between them. In the beginning these were the times were you could earn special rewards (cards, clothing, items) in the game but now this is happening on a regular basis and even worse these "events" are not really named anymore. The first real events, the "crystals of light", was introduced with a cutscene and a new raid boss (who now appears on regular basis) and special tokens you could trade for prices (the eponymous "crystals of light") after that the "Guard Armor Event" didn't had a cutscene but also special tokens and a new raid boss (who now also appears on regular basis). Since then the events were always special mission where season themed heartless had to be defeated but not always and that's were it becomes really complicated. For example the Wizard, the Armored Knight, the Armored Archer and recently the Gargoyle and the Morning Star are all Heartless that were introduced in the game with special missions and limited rewards but are not really tied to an event (it's often simply called "New Heartless appearance") while some of these became regular enemies in the game and other disappeared again. On top of that the number of side activities for these "events" exploded. In the first events there was often only one special condition to get a rare card. Nowadays there are rewards for the heartless missions, raid boss missions, special damage missions, team damage missions, team wins per week etc. which are also often timed. As you can see it gets more and more complicated and with SquareEnix also selling special cards and clothing even another option to earn unique rewards was added. It's not clear where an event ends and where it starts and what an event really is in the first place. That's why I stopped working on it, because it became too complex for a single category when several things happen all the time (like the changing raise ticket cards, mog trade cards, raid bosses and the kingdom, premium and gift boxes that can be bought in the shop) while the missions occur on a regular basis even without new Heartless or Raid Bosses. It's probably easier to list only the seasonal stuff but that wouldn't include all special cards and clothing that can be earned apart from the regular options.

I was noticing that. I tried to get info of the missions when I was writing up the draft in my Gadget Lab, and I noticed that the Valentine's Day Event, for example, is not the same week after week. As far as I could tell (thanks to the marvel that is Google Chrome's auto-translate), the missions are different every week and, apparently, for every level of experience. I couldn't begin to imagine where to begin with that info. And to top it off, because I'm basing myself on the game's site, the mission info is also mixed-in among the many other announcements on the page. KeybladeSpyMaster 17:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)