Talk:Sephiroth

Zolo6 - All that lies in this world of nothingness. TALK - Take hold to the ever blooming darkness. Do we have enemy pages on this guy?

There is the Platinum Match page...75.9.54.124 01:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

birth by sleep

I don't consider fenrir representative of sephiroth i won't consider it unless the one winged angel keyblade is there

Excusez-moi,, could you please sign off after editing ? And by the way, methinks Fenrir is more representative of Cloud or Tifa rather than Sephiroth. Troisnyxetienne 15:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

RedemptionUltima - What IS he!?! No one's EVER worn the darkness the way that he does! It's impossible! TALK - See my illusion! Well, you do get Fenrir by beating him... It looks like Cloud's sword, only not as sharp. Is he even PLANNED to appear in Birth by Sleep?

Heartless Angel

This move's name is only Heartless Angel not Descend Heartless Angel; anyone who has played FFVII could confirm this. 24.139.220.48 21:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC) I know, but thats what he says in Kingdom Hearts. --Zack fair 007 22:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC) I have confirmed that the name is in fact only Heartless Angel. -User:OrangeGel ITS NOT TRUE.--Zack fair 007 22:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but it is. Please fix it now, I don't wish to spam Recent Changes. -User:OrangeGel

Calm down, Zack, he says that in Kingdom Hearts but that doesn't mean that its the name or we'd have Leon's Blasting Zone labeled "ITS OVER!". Its not confirmed in any way and its entirely possible that its called Heartless Angel and the "Descend" part is just Sephiroth casting it or something. XienZo 01:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It's Heartless Angel because that's what it's always been and if Sora says "heal" everytime he uses cure then wouldn't it be called heal? User:Vatek

I'm pretty sure the "Descend" part is just dialougue, the FF Wikia also names it just "Heartless Angel" as does FFVII. 24.138.198.123 03:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It is Heartless Angel. D: Sephiroth never had any other attack that produced the same effect in Final Fantasy VII. Kaihedgie 06:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL sorry guys my bad...lets change it --Zack fair 007 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

What happened to it being called Sin Harvest? Was it EVER called Sin Harvest? I coulda sworn it was...

Every time someone says "isn't it called Sin Harvest", a puppy has an heart attack. Drake Clawfang 19:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

ITS not sin harvest. Listen to this. the actor just put emphasis so it would sound like that.

desCEND HEARTLESS angel..

SIN HARVEST....

see? i thought so too...when i was 9. And stupid. --Zack fair 007 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, now you've grown older... Drake Clawfang 01:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

WOw u are so mean --Zack fair 007 02:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

HaHaHa...irony...So anyway Its deff. Heartless Angel? Thats what I always thought. Dr.Kermit^{(The Doctor is in)} 03:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I used to think it was Sin Harvest, but yes, it is Heartless Angel. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

In Final FAntasie he says heartless angel. in kingdom hearts he says sin harvest angel. beacause the voiceover guy sucks!

No, he says Descend Heartless Angel. I know the Descend sounds like Sin and the Heartless sounds like Harvest. Hence the anomaly. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Nobody

Partly joking here, but really - is Sephiroth a Nobody? The Final Fantasy VII novella "Case of the Lifestream", a few excerpts.

"The man knew that if one could hold onto some core of their spirit, then one could remain a separate entity, independent from the planet’s system. Cloud. The man decided to make Cloud that core"

"As long as Cloud remembers me, I can continue to exist. Within the Lifestream, and on the surface. Even if my spirit disseminates, even if just one fragment of a memory courses around the planet, in the end I can count on Cloud’s consciousness to bring me back"

And he later manifests his three remnants/avatars into being using the memories of others combined his own fragmented memories of himself. So really....does any of this strike anyone as somewhat familiar? Sephiroth sustaining himself on memories? Drake Clawfang 17:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

No. That has to do with the FFVII plot. The KH plot and FF plot doesn't intertwine their "Gaia" theories. --Zack fair 007 04:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm joking you fool, I know that. Drake Clawfang 05:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"I'm partly joking here" partly, motherfucker. partly.

If I ever have to mention about the no-profanity rule, ever again, I think I'd better start slapping on red broken crowns to people who violate that rule. And as Zack Fair said, shouldn't the FF and KH plots stay separate ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Zack fair 007 - "Let's mosey" TALK - Kweh! My bad. It's just what drake is for being a hypocrite.

Oh well, guess we won't be having this Nobody talk about Sephy for a long, long time... ^_^ Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Zack fair 007 - "Let's mosey" TALK - Kweh! yeah ROFL

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? He's not a Nobody. If he's Cloud's Nobody than where's Cloud's Heartless? I'd probably say that at some undetermined time Cloud's body split into a light and darkness part and they embodied that although that's purely fanfic. An alternative is that he's still playing mind games with Cloud following Advent Children.

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. besides i thought in the game sephiroth said that he was the darkness within cloud's heart

Hotdragon 295 - I...will never be a memory. TALK - Descend, heartless angel. - 19:53, July 29, 2010 (UTC) Yeah, because in FF7 Sephiroth hate Cloud and he try to manipulate him like a puppet.

Lance Bass

They didn't replace him because of negative reactions. They replaced him because of the portrayal in Advent Children. The same reason they replaced Mandy Moore and Christy Carlson Romano as Yuffie and Aerith. :/

So, fix it.

lance bass

Many of the ff characters were downgraded eg. david boreanaz as leon or mandy moore as aerith, (both of whom got worse va's for KH2 arguably like sephiroth). Disney were the only reason they were ale to get those high quality va's in the first game. Its much more likely square wanted someone they, themselves could afford for sephiroths appearances in the compilation of ffvii games and for there other ff characters when theyd appear in games disney weren't involved in because square want they're characters voices to be as consistent as possible. Its not because it isn't cool to have sephiroth voiced by the gay one from nsync. You wouldnt been able to tell that was him playing the voice of Sephiroth.

How Long Is Sephiroth's blade

Coroxn - The Lunar Brigade TALK - "The Hearts A Battle Ground. But It Matters Not The Outcome Of The Battle, Nor How You Battle. Only That You Battled..." Oviously, I don't want inches and centametres, but when I fight him it looks a completely different size whatever he's doing.... How long is it oficially?

Even though this really doesn't have anything to do anything in general, his Masamune is 100 feet long. I think that's correct, but I could be wrong, of course. User:JudgmentDay95

100 feet?!you must be joking sephiroth must be pretty strong if he can carry a sword that long. Firaga44 23:52, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well, duh. Of course Sephiroth is strong. Don't forget that he is Shinra's ultimate SOLDIER, so it makes sense that he could carry a 100-foot sword. User:JudgmentDay95

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Do you realize how long 100 feet is?

I think he ment inches. Anyways, I've seen replica blades as long as 102 inches long... but we can make a guess. Cloud's Buster Sword is about 7 feet long, handle to tip I think. During the scene where Cloud and Spehi confront eachother during the Battle of 1000 Heartless, Shepiroth's blade looks to be about twice as long, or so. So it seems around 168 inches, but that's a rough guess... Unless the Final Fantasy wiki get's a update, I doubt we'll ever have an offical length Hyperwre_2.0 11:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking abot? Sephiroth sword is 7 feet this is 1 feet more than sephiroth itself.--206.167.229.130 14:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Organization 13 - If only the whispers at the top of the ladder carried to the bottom rung... TALK - Parley! According to the FFWiki its 7 feet.

Infobox pic

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" Umm... why is there an artwork image in his infobox, when their's a perfectly good 3-dimensional render of him?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? I'll get on fixing that.

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" Woohoo! Thanks Maggosh!

Iownedsephorothatlvl5 - I guess that must be why the Keyblade chose you. But MAN, did it pick a dud this time. TALK - As if! i think his blade is about,say 12 meters (about 35-40 feet)

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - On a related note, does Sephiroth really not have the bottom two wings in KH1?

Troubling Question

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - This has nothing to do with Sephiroth, but while reading the Heartless Angel thing in the Trivia section, where it says that Kefka used it first, I remembered a question that has been bothering me for sometime now, and here it is: Why is it that none of the characters from Final Fantasies I through VI (except from Setzer who was changed a lot) and IX (other than Vivi, who has also changed a great deal from his original appearance) appear on any Kingdom Hearts game? I've only known of the Dissidia versions of Warrior of Light, Garland and Firion appearing as mere avatars on Kingdom Hearts Mobile and that can be explained by the fact that Nomura redrew the characters for Dissidia, while using a very similar art style from that of the Kingdom Hearts series I might add. I'm not saying all of them, but it would be cool to see Cecil and Golbez in at least one of the games (their concept of Light and Darkness fits in very well with the series mythos) or Terra and Locke and/or Kefka, or Kuja. I'm also sorry for posting this here, I didn't find any other place to post it, I thought that putting it in my Talk Page it would be ignored since i've been innactive for a very long time. Lastly I'm sorry for the long speech, I tend to do that I talk a lot. To summarize, i just want to know if there's official proof, like Nomura saying why, if not, speculation is welcomed. Thank you ^_^. EDIT: While XI is understandable and XII wans't released by the time KHII was released, they are both out of the question, but XII is another candidate of exclusion, since no characters appeared in Days and none have been announced or revealed for Birth by Sleep, on a side note, Balthier or Gabranth would be cool though.

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected See, all the Final Fantasy characters that have appeared in the KH series, with the sole exception of Vivi, were characters Nomura designed. Nomura has said that he didn't feel comfortable using the ones he didn't design himself in the KH series. The reason Vivi is the exception is because there was a large fan demand for him in Japan. ETA: For the record, Nomura has designed Setzer and Shadow in FFVI and the casts of VII, VIII, X, XIII, Agito XIII and Versus XIII.

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - Okay, so that clears it up, thank you Harpie Siren, my doubt is finally gone, it's unfortunate though that all those other characters won't appear on KH, but oh well. Also it's cool to know that Nomura designed Setzer and Shadow, I didn't know that before. Thank you ^_^.

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected Happy to be of assistance. ^^

Is this worth noting?

As far as I can tell Sephiroth is the only FF villain in KH. I think I'll add that to the trivia. Black Tornado 18:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

embodyment of clouds darkness?

is the sephiroth in kh2 an unversed like vanitas?

Nope, Sephiroth is not an Unversed, he's just another villian like Jafar or Oogie Boogie. However, he is often referred to as the embodiment of Cloud's darkness.--Xion4ever 23:51, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I would say that Sephiroth is an Unversed, except that Cloud still has darkness in his heart.

Maybe Sephiroth was able to return as the "embodiment of Cloud's Darkness" possibly due to the Jeonova Cells in his body. this is just a hypothesis. but it does make some sense. Chaosmage1

Come to think of it...

Is it really such a surprise that Sephiroth and Sora don't recognise each other. I mean, would YOU recognise a total stranger you fought in a fight over a year ago? Who agrees?(Bananaphone1996 04:30, May 13, 2010 (UTC))

That is circumstantial. Considering the amount of effort and time I had to put in to beat Sephiroth, I'd remember that son of a b*tch. -- 05:41, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, It might be something to do with the Memory menipulation or the possibility that, like the LS, there might not be a place within timeline for the Platinum Match. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!--I'llCrushYou! 06:34, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sora does have time for the Hades Cup, though, and its indicated he had time for Kurt Zisa. It might simply be that Sephiroth doesn't care at all, and Sora's had his memories dicked with.Glorious CHAOS! 07:16, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Why is Lance Bass listed in the Japanese Voice Actors section?

Last I looked, Morikawa was the one who was the Japanese VA for all of the KH games. *goes to edit* Notherland 20:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, answered my own question. KHFM used the English voice acting tracks. Notherland 20:55, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

World

Hangon - Hello, good day to you all. TALK - Hello there, I like pie.-05:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC) I think we should change Seph. and Cloads Homeworld to ??????????? or what ever their HW is in FF, but technicly they're created by something, I don't know much about FF, but even Goofy asks, "Did they go back to their Home World, G'yuk!" but no one knows.

I think Cloud's home world is Radiant Garden. Leon, Aerith, and Cid all recognize him, so it's highly likely that he lived there, left after its fall like the others did, and went to Olympus Coliseum. And since Sephiroth in KH is Cloud's Darkness, that means they're technically from the same world. --66.215.20.249 06:24, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hangon - Hello, good day to you all. TALK - Hello there, I like pie.-14:18, November 14, 2010 (UTC) Good point, but how do they disappear? And were do they go?

Octaslash

Yesterday I edited the page, noticing that Sephiroth's multi-swing attack, is called "a different version of Cloud's Omnislash" when it is called Octaslash in both Crisis Core and Dissidia. I added the name but it was removed, why is that? --BGMaxie 15:20, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

probably because they thought it was speculation, I'm not sure though. The17Master

I'm not sure how important this really is, but technically, Octaslash was never a named move until Crisis Core. I'm not sure what the move would be considered in KH1, but it does seem like Nomura is trying to say "Cloud is the only one who can use Omnislash."75.206.104.221 05:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

superboss?

Shouldnt we label Sephiroth and YMX(KHBBS)and the Dustflyer in KH365/2 says as "Superboss"? In a lot of Square Enix games a boss that is more challangeing then the final boss is called a "Superboss". Its not just Kingdom hearts, final fantasy has them too. and in the world ends with you mr. Hanekoma is a superboss. i just thought we should make a page for it. Look here--> http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Superboss Unknown3619 (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I dislike this idea since there are quite a lot of super bosses but mainly because there are bosses which some may say are a super boss while others won't. For example Vanitas Remnant. He is a very hard boss but there's also the Unknown. And I don't think Dustflier is a superboss since he is too easy. Its not neccessary so I say leave it out. --TheFifteenthMember 16:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I was thinking that when I typed it in. But had too make sure you know? Unknown3619 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't be a "super boss," per se, but because the bosses are optional (side quests,) just call them "Optional Bosses" or something to that effect. ~D3xus 17:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

wait! We already do that! Awesome! I guess this whole coversation was a waste of time. Sorry! carry on. Unknown3619 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)