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 ) Mickey and Minnie; have either of them ever claimed to be married? Should it be stated that they did marry  or should it be stated that Mickey just chose to have Minnie as his Queen despite not marrying her; after all, we do not know how their monarchy works, do we?
-) Relating to Point 1) Does Minnie have parents or is she the ruler of The Country of the Musketters? Does royalty even work the same way as in Europe? We know, from Dream Drop Distance, that Pete tries to overthrow her to become King, so does that mean he's killed her parents? Mickey and Minnie also don't have any observed children for us to examine how the Kingdom Hearts monarchy relates to inheritance. All we know is that she was "Princess" in CotM and "Queen" in DT. We could even suggest that Mickey returned to Disney Town as a conqueror and became the legitimate King there, or that the monarchy was earned by a pie-eating contest. So, what do we state?
+) Relating to Point 1) Does Minnie have parents or is she the ruler of The Country of the Musketeers? Does royalty even work the same way as in Europe? We know, from Dream Drop Distance, that Pete tries to overthrow her to become King, so does that mean he's killed her parents? Mickey and Minnie also don't have any observed children for us to examine how the Kingdom Hearts monarchy relates to inheritance. All we know is that she was "Princess" in CotM and "Queen" in DT. We could even suggest that Mickey returned to Disney Town as a conqueror and became the legitimate King there, or that the monarchy was earned by a pie-eating contest. So, what do we state?
 ) Relating to Point 3) Do Mickey and Minnie have children? To me, given that they haven't been seen, it seems unlikely that they do, but what do you think?
 Have their children just been shipped off to some relative (perhaps Minnie's sister, Mandie, or Mickey's sister, Amelia) or do they not actually HAVE any children? Thoughts?
 --[[User:Mickeyisawesome|Mickeyisawesome]] ([[User talk:Mickeyisawesome|talk]]) 03:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
+{{LightRoxas|card=To cover your thoughts:
+#There's not really any way to be entirely sure of where she's from; that being said, the conversations that take place in KH3D make it seem that Minnie and Mickey have had little interaction with each other, and that they have only recently meant. Still, to actually put such in an article is probably more speculation that actually confirmed fact, especially since CotM ''could'' just be a different version of Timeless River (though again, Mickey's words make it seem pretty clear that it's not, and that he's just there on training). Still, Pete's presence is interesting, since he appeared in Timeless River but it seems unlikely he'd be able to travel to other worlds yet, unless there was some pathway made for him.
+#I don't believe that they've ever mentioned marriage, but come on - they're King and Queen for [[Pete]]'s sake! This is Disney we're talking about, how often do they have a King and Queen who aren't married? If you don't want to put it in an article, that's fine, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they are indeed married.
+#No way of knowing most of this; most parents in the KH series are either non-existent, never mentioned, or spoken of offhand once or twice.
+#Again, no way of knowing, but seems unlikely.}}
+:These were in response to critiques I posted on his talk page, to highlight how his narrative for how Mickey and Minnie's nobility worked was unverifiable.
+:In regards to marriage, unless something specifically says it then we can't claim that they got married at a certain point. Even if it ''is'' Disney, we can't just throw it into a "before BbS" section as if it's official. If they say "husband" or "wife" somewhere, ''then'' we can do it, but I'm honestly not sure marriage has ever been mentioned in this series.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
+So... if they have recently met, then it's likely that Minnie ''is'' from CoTM. Pete's evil; he probably has ways AROUND travelling through the worlds; the King had a Gummi Ship, so what's to say Pete doesn't? Anyway, I'll add the "Minnie is from the CoTM" bit to the article.
+I agree - if they weren't married then Minnie would be a Queen, but not of Disney Castle; she'd be Queen of CoTM as she was the Princess there, and Mickey would rule Disney Castle alone, since they wouldn't accept Minnie as Queen without marriage. I'll put "It is unknown if Mickey and Minnie married, but it is likely that they did." and I will put this talk page as the reference.--[[User:Mickeyisawesome|Mickeyisawesome]] ([[User talk:Mickeyisawesome|talk]]) 00:30, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+:No, you won't. Everything you just said is based on guesses, and has no direct basis in the series. It is not our job to "fill the gaps", only to collate and report what the published materials or official statements say.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+Note, the page of King Mickey says (at the end of the section Under KHII) "shares a kiss with his wife, Queen Minnie".
+Does this mean that I can add in that they are husband and wife, or should the bit from King Mickey be removed?--[[User:Mickeyisawesome|Mickeyisawesome]] ([[User talk:Mickeyisawesome|talk]]) 03:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+::"with his wife" should probably be removed regardless, it's kind of awkward wording.
+::...I just checked all the journals and game scripts, and the script is annoyingly consistent in only calling them King and Queen. I guess it's fair to assume marriage from that, although they're only dating in normal Disney works, but...I wouldn't press it too much, since it's still just on this side of speculation.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+:::Ever read "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe"? It's not set in stone that King + Queen —> married, especially when it comes to creative license.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 04:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+::::I have read that, actually, good book... anyway, typical Disney is to have the King and Queen be married, but again, going with typical isn't usually the best for article info. Stating whether or not they are married is pretty unimportant as a whole, so I'm fine with keeping it out of the article,  but let's not overlook this here. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 04:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+Even if we don't put it in the article, do you think they ARE married? It seems very likely, given that Mickey has been dating Minnie since before 1926! I mean, come on, if we go with that (and we are since Steamboat Willie is in the game and came out in 1926) then the King is at least 86 years old!--[[User:Mickeyisawesome|Mickeyisawesome]] ([[User talk:Mickeyisawesome|talk]]) 04:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
+:We have to remember that we are dealing with cartoons and games. Directors probably don't think of these things. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 12:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)