Talk:Real Organization XIII

Isa

What proof do we have that this is Isa and not Saix? The fact that Lea calls him that is not all that conclusive, considering how Axel and Saix called each other by their original names in KHD. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreement. We really need the Ultimania on this one."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

But Lea calling him "Isa" IN THE GAME is the only evidence we have as to who he is, so I think it's only logical to put "Isa" on the list of names instead of "Saïx" with the fact tag until the Ultimania comes out. If we put "Saïx", we're speculating. He was directly called "Isa", so we should go by that instead of his appearance for the time being. At least that's what I think. EnglishJoker 20:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

We have his appearance and that Xigbar and Young Xehanort say that he and Xigbar are their original bodies with Xehanort's hearts, which is also what they were during the first Organization XIII. Their story basically denies that they are different beings than they were in the first Organization.

Basically, there's no reason to believe he's a different thing than when we last saw him in Days/KHII, and the way the plot puts it, he is made of the same stuff as he was before. There is nothing to indicate that Braig or Isa's hearts ever came back to them.192.249.47.177 21:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Going off of what the IP said, recall Ienzo tells Lea when a person's heart returns, he or she is reborn in the world he or she lost it. In the beginning of KH3D, Xehanort extracts Braig's heart in the Radiant Garden, thus Braig should have returned to Radiant Garden with the other apprentices and Lea. Isa was Lea's childhood friend and the two lived in Radiant Garden together, so it's plausible to believe he lost his heart in Radiant Garden, too (further evidence is Axel and Saïx's joining Organization XIII at the same time). But because Braig and Isa were not in the Radiant Garden when Lea and the apprentices were reborn, it can be assumed their hearts have not returned (thus they have not been reborn), and based on Ienzo's words and what I've stated above, it's not possible for either of them to have been reborn in another world, either. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 00:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

No matter what form the characters have taken, the game's credits list them as Braig and Isa. While Braig did appear in his original human form in the opening flashback, Isa's sole appearance in the game is as part of the new Organization. I'd say that's pretty concrete proof that he's considered Isa. 131.128.130.106 07:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The reports in the game call him "Saix", so he's either like Braig/Xigbar or just still a Nobody Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 12:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, that IS a predicament. Do we take the end credit's word or the reports? maggosh 14:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The reports, because those are the ones that are actually intended to be canon. The credits are, c'mon, credits guys. Mr. anons and all such, the fact that the game explicitly says that they are functionally the same being is much more important than whatever name the guy in charge of the credits decided to use."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

To the anons: The credits didn't list Isa/Saix at all. HE DIDN'T TALK AT ALL. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 11:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)   UPDATE: Ultimania confirms that it is Saix, not Isa. [ http://kh13.com/zenphoto/zp-core/full-image.php?a=books%2Fkingdom-hearts-3d-ultimania&i=b09.jpg&q=75&wmk=!]

Merging with Organization XIII

Because these two groups are Organization XIII, I think there should be only one page about it, and create it in a way that it covers both incarnations of the Organization. EnglishJoker 21:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

There was actually a discussion about it here. --NinjaSheik 21:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

If you can set up a draft that isn't a total mindjunk, go for it and we can have another discussion."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 05:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Vanitas

Isnt it impiled that the Thirteen Xehanorts each have a piece of Vanitas' heart and The Princess' each have a piece of Ventus' heart, after all it does say that after the X-blades last destruction that the hearts with in it split into 13 and 7. --124.148.205.68 12:23, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

If that happened, then Sora wouldn't be able to wield the Keyblade, and that all 13 would be able to wield a Keyblade as the same for the Princesses. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 13:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

"The last destruction" refers to the Keyblade War. maggosh 14:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Any evidence that it refers to the Keyblade war, also the 13 can wield keyblades and it is implied that the princess can, and why would Sora not get a keyblade?--203.206.0.249 08:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Also the fact that Vanitas appears beside and speaks the same words as Xehanort kind of implies it.