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The Inexistent - The end... TALK - is not so near when I am here... It was discussed yesterday at the Roundtable that Saturday may not be the most advantagous day to have Roundtables. It was suggested that it was moved to Friday or Sunday. Since this is an entire community decision, we didn't want to limit it to the opinions of the editors present yesterday. Please discuss below what day (Friday, Saturday, or Sunday) would be best to host the Roundtables.

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 20:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC) I still stand by Friday.

Keyblade0 - ...And here you go, a cool keyblade. TALK - You can't see my face, because Nomura didn't bother to create it yet. — 20:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC) I'm fine with any of the 3 days (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday), but I'm going to lean closer to Friday and Sunday.

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - I don't think Friday is a good idea, because many people have school or work. We originally chose Saturday evenings to best compromise between our Jewish and Christian editors, but the people showing up on Saturday don't seem to be super-Sunday Christians, and the time we have is too late in the evening for a lot of people, yet still a bit early for some of our Jewish editors to attend, as far as I can tell. I know Erry has school on Sunday, but honestly, we're getting really terrible attendance at these things. Unless we can all be available for sometime during the week (and that would have to be two hours later than we meet now), I think Sunday but a few hours earlier than we meet now would be the best bet. The other option is to figure out who is actually needed at these roundtables. Ideally, we would have nearly the whole community in attendance, but that doesn't seem possible. We definitely need as many staff as possible in attendance, since most of the decisions made at the roundtables can only be implemented by them. Can the staff who have yet to fill out their hours on the staff page, please do so?

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 00:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC) Kryten, I'm pretty sure that work/school doesn't last until 9pm on a Friday.

Actually, in the US, work usually runs past 4:00pm, which would be nine for Central and 11:00 for Pacific. School (at least mine) gets out at 2:30, meaning that I get home at 3:00, which, in central time, is 8:00pm UTC, so I'd be fine. But people in mountain time and Pacific time wouldn't be so fortunate. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 01:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? As I said at the Roundtable, I'm fine with any day, though I lean slightly toward Sunday, since by then my family is usually done doing things for the week. Attendance issues on my part have little to do with the actual day and time, and more with my parents springing things on me.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. If you ask me, I think lack of attendance at the Roundtables is because people don't know that they're being held. I propose a big sitenotice -- a BIG sitenotice -- that lets people know when the next roundtable is. And when the date to hold the roundtable draws near, it can be in like flashing text: THE ROUNDTABLE ON THE IRC IS TOMORROW SHOW UP PLZ. The reason I didn't attend the last few is simply because I forgot about them. (plus that, my schedule the past few weeks has been PACKED, I've had rarely any time for the wiki/IRC) Even if I'm wrong about people not knowing about Roundtables, I'll still push for the big flashing sitenotice.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 13:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC) I completely agree with Lego. I've been to maybe one Roundtable, because I don't know the Roundtable actually happens on that day until it ends. Also, I have no clue how to convert EST to UTC...

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 23:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC) To convert any time zone to any time zone, check out a time zone converter. Also, i highly recommend not having a flashing notice. It's distracting for people and they can find it irritating.

They could just dismiss the site notice. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 00:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

^That. And the idea is for it to be distracting and irritating, we're trying to get people's attention. --LegoAlchemist 03:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? A more prominent reminder the day before the meeting would definitely be helpful. Whether I manage to make the meeting or not, I tend to only barely remember a few hours beforehand that there is one.

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 21:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC) With the big flashing text, you run the chance of people missing it completely, since many people out there simply close flashing stuff, assuming it is an ad or because it causes them pain (as well as other problems, like headaches and seizures)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 21:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC) I think it's pretty easy to distinguish a sitenotice from an ad. Plus, its not hard to give whatever you're closing a quick look, long enough to know that it's an ad and not something else.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Signed-in users (i.e. the people attending the meeting) only have ads on the main page, don't they?

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 01:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC) And what happens if we go with this "flashing notice" method and still yet again the same result? My opinion is that we've been doing this for a few months and it's been at a static place and a static time: First Saturday at 9PM UTC. And if anyone forgets, they just need to go look at the Roundtable page. EDIT: And about the roundtable, I think it should be at least 1 hour earlier, rather than a full day back or forward. That way it's equal.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Looks like you're prepared." "What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 01:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC) Moving the 'Table isn't the best idea; ever since school started and I've had marching band practice, I've had no time at all on weekdays for anything besides saxophone, sweating, and homework. People just need to know about them; I'd say bigger sitenotices and talk page pings to the consistently reliable people. Also, you guys probably don't care, but I'm almost always on the IRC on the weekdays, and on the off chance that I'm out having a life, I 9 times out of 10 will keep my client on to log. I suggest anybody else who can does this same thing so you can keep up with what happened, even if you weren't there (God/ENUO knows the Roundtable page's summaries don't help for crap...) About the actual meeting time, I think its fine where it is...

The Inexistent - Dusk, Light to Darkness... TALK - The great transition. I don't think moving the time of the meeting to an earlier hour would be the best idea... oh, and I just checked, unless my browser is being glitching again, logged out users can't dismiss the sitenotice.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. If we're thinking of moving Roundtable times, can we throw the west-coasties a bone and make it later? It's difficult for them (me included) to plan around the eastern time zones when they have to do everything 2-3+ hours earlier than the rest.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 06:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)   I'm not sure how necessary I am to the proceedings, although the fewer the staff members that are present, the more I'd be needed, especially if Kryten and DTN are absent, so here's where I'm at: If we stay with Saturdays, I would be able to make it only if it were at night, especially during the summer, when sunset is so late. As we get later into the fall and winter, I'll be able to make earlier and earlier times. Right now I couldn't make it earlier than 9pm, eastern time, but in a few months I may be able to do as early as 6 pm. So yeah, my availability fluctuates. Similarly, if we move to fridays, I can currently do late afternoon, maybe early evening, still eastern time, but soon I'd only be able to do early friday afternoons. Sunday is still best for me, I don't mind doing it sunday afternoons.

Sove Talk to Me! — "I dunno. I can't... just look inside. But I figure... If there is something in there - inside us - then we'd feel it, wouldn't we?" "No one would miss me." — 08:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC) Moving it 2-3 hours later would make it way too late for European users who might wish to join in, remember that TNE is from the UK, moving the meeting 2-3 hours would mean 12 AM or 1 AM in the UK. Roundtables are already held so the timing is unfair for us, don't make it even more unfair, we don't deserve it just because we happen to live here. -_-

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 09:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC) I agree with Sove; moving the meeting to a later time would probably cause problems for some European users, so I don't think we should do that. It would be best for me, and most likely for some other users as well, if the meeting was held one hour earlier, so that I can attend it as well.

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - Do we have a final decision on this?