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*Translate p335 section detailing Floor Code specifications.
*Translate p335 section detailing Floor Code specifications.


== Ultimania columns ==
== Ultimania columns summary==
 
*Add short explanation of "Genre" and "Parts replaced" to Avatar Parts section.
Okay, from personal experience, I believe the way that Genre works is that, when you get a random part (either from an avatar where you already have all their parts, or a scratch card), you usually get them in a certain order. I know that I got all of the BbS and Form parts together, the Keyblades together, and all of the Mobile/coded bodysuits last (in chapter order, as well). Once I had every piece, it just kept giving me random parts of Ansem and Large Body.
*Add column listing all parts used in each ensemble.
 
So, I would roughly guess that it draws from the parts in the genre you are currently in, then moves on to the next genre. Once you have them all, it stays in the genre you finished in. (So, any random parts I would get would be C parts). I'm sure the intro to the section explains the exact mechanic, and I can work on a rough translation if you guys desire, but that seems to basically be it.
 
Anyway: Given that, despite this, the parts you get are out of your control, and the system is essentially "just go through the Avatar Sector for slightly less than 800 floors", is it at all worth listing the genres? Sure, it's a hidden stat within the games, and we have the info, but it's about as important as the stat that determines the exact sound that Sora's shoes make on the ground: sure, it's ''there'', but you can't change it in any way, it doesn't change how you play the game in any way, and there's no point in looking it up (actually, even less than that. It's possible you could somehow try to moderate your walking for echo-y floors to hear enemies spawning better. I can't see how it would really help you, but still, you could use it ''somehow'').
 
The other column lists which parts not in that category the piece replaces—so, if a starter kit replaced a shirt or pants, for example. For Items, it also lists which hand the piece appears in. This ''is'' actually useful, but it's also pretty self-evident from the pictures, and anybody actually playing the game can see it clearly as the replaceable pieces blinking when you highlight the part in question. So, this is actually practical in the game, and it could be used for info, but there's no point in looking it up. Also, it would use up quite a bit of space, especially for the Bodysuits.
 
Finally, the Ensembles: Each Ensemble listing lists the parts used to make the ensemble. As Ensembles are not true parts, knowing what these are IS the only way to get new Ensembles.
 
Now, I would definitely like to put these in. However, it would be quite a bit of work, and we'd have to figure out how to put it in. Furthermore, the nature of the Avatar Menu means that ''even this'' has no real use in gameplay: you get parts when you get them. There is absolutely no way to get them faster, unless they belong to a specific avatar on a specific floor.
 
So: my personal view is that it would be worth putting in the "Ensemble parts" lists, but not the "Genre" and "Parts replaced" lists. What do you guys think?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:04, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
:It has been over two fucking weeks since I posted this.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:People will probably see this and say "tl;dr", either that or it's just that they don't know much to help. Honestly, I can't understand what you're trying to say. If you had given an "Overall, we... *blah, blah, blah*." or a conclusion, because overall not many people know Kanji or Katakana except for the few we have on the wiki. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:07, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:<blockquote>''So: my personal view is that it would be worth putting in the "Ensemble parts" lists, but not the "Genre" and "Parts replaced" lists. What do you guys think?''</blockquote>
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:55, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
 
::Makes sense, I say.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:32, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh look, I look like a douche. Still, people don't know what exactly you're talking about, i.e. the Ultimania columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 16:59, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Resummarize: We have translated the Ultimania's Avatar Parts table, except for three columns. These three columns are:
*Genre
*Parts replaced
*Ensemble parts
 
I believe that "Genre" and "Parts replaced" are pretty useless, but that "Ensemble parts" should be listed.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:42, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
 
:"Parts replaced" should get a blurb in the paragraph, though. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:19, 2 April 2011 (EDT)


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== Avatar Parts last copyedit ==

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  • Confirm number of parts matched for each "Avatar comment".
  • Confirm whether manipulating your clock affects the -3/hr penalty.
  • Confirm whether n_l resets or maxes out.
  • Should I translate the Sector Ranks? (p323)
  • Should we comment that the Avatar's name and signature is taken from the DS?
  • p326: Note about getting letters from the same friend and ensemble. Should probably translate.
  • Add that the floor is obtained whether the Scratch Card is used or not.
  • "Character Hunt" and "Bonus Hunt" are called "Kingdom Scratch", "Bonus Scratch", and "Avatar Scratch" (for Buddies)
  • Translate p329 Card prizes - Commands and all go on their pages, the avatar parts go in the Scratch Card section.
  • Translate p335 section based on Prize Blox - list on relevant command pages, not here.
  • Translate p335 section detailing Floor Code specifications.

Ultimania columns summary

  • Add short explanation of "Genre" and "Parts replaced" to Avatar Parts section.
  • Add column listing all parts used in each ensemble.

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I'm going to go ahead and say that I didn't confirm the nihongo for each one with the Ultimania, but the ones I did were right (except Sora B at the beginning). Still, they can't be that far off, since they are all legible.

I relaxed the literalization of "の" to be treated as an adjectival form for some cases (basically, whenever the dub used it that way). I hope that's acceptable, since it removes a lot of mostly useless "lit" sections.

Wanpi/su: translate as "Sundress" (best english translation I could come up with based on knowledge of clothing terms), or allow give and take for whatever type of dress the dub thinks it's using? Or translate phonetically as One-piece in all cases?

Same thing with "Uwagi", though that has a much more acceptable translation as the generic "Top".

Facial Hair: Japanese really doesn't separate the various types, so it just feels pedantic to me to use "lit" when the only problem is that there isn't an exact Japanese word for that type of facial hair. I'd like to remove the lit tags for those listed below, where applicable (possibly not Eraqus).

Boushi: In some cases, Kyappu or Hatto is used for Cap and Hat, and "Bou" is usually translated as Cap. Thus, I'm fine with modifying the lit for the W Mushroom and Seifer, but also fine with leaving it how it is.

Piasu: Studs and Piercings and Earrings of that sort are just called "Piasu" in nihongo (there doesn't appear to be a dedicated word for "stud", and all variants I can find use piasu). However, we translate "Ability Piasu" as Ability Earring, not the dub's "Ability Stud". Can we let Stud slide here, and on the Ability Stud page?

Boa-dzuke: Based on image searches, I feel pretty confident that lined could be reasonable. However, there are no direct translations on the web, and the closest I could come to an accurate translation would be "Boad Boots".

Finally: the comments with Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee. Does the Ultimania have the wrong order, according to the game, or do we?

No. Part Name
7 Features-7-Santa Beard.png Santa Beard (サンタ服（パンツ）のヒゲ
Santa-fuku (Pantsu) no Hige?, lit. "Santa-suit (Pants)'s Facial Hair)
10 Features-10-Goofy D's Mouth.png Goofy D's Mouth (グーフィーDのクチ
Gūfī D no Kuchi?)
11 Features-11-Luxord's Goatee.png Luxord's Goatee (ルクソードのヒゲ
Rukusōdo no Hige?, lit. "Luxord's Facial Hair")
13 Features-13-Eraqus's Soul Patch + Stache.png Eraqus's Soul Patch + Stache (エラクゥスのヒゲ
Erakwusu no Hige?, lit. "Eraqus's Facial Hair")
14 Features-14-Sazh's Goatee.png Sazh's Goatee (サッズのヒゲ
Sazzu no Hige?, lit. "Sazh's Facial Hair")
3 Scars, Etc-3-Rai's Scruff.png Rai's Scruff (ライのヒゲ
Rai no Hige?, lit. "Rai's Facial Hair")
5 Scars, Etc-5-Snooty Stache.png Snooty Stache (アートなヒゲ
Āto na Hige?, lit. "Artsy Facial Hair")
7 Hats-7-White Mushroom's Cap.png White Mushroom's Cap (Wマッシュルームの帽子
W Masshurūmu no Boushi?, lit. "W Mushroom's Hat")
21 Hats-21-Seifer's Skullcap.png Seifer's Skullcap (サイファーの帽子
Saifā no Boushi?, lit. "Seifer's Hat")
3 Face & Neck-3-Wakka's Studs.png Wakka's Studs (ワッカのピアス
Wakka no Piasu?, lit. "Wakka's Earrings")
44 Face & Neck-44-Cloud C's Studs.png Cloud C's Studs (クラウドCのピアス
Kuraudo C no Piasu?, lit. "Cloud C's Earrings")
24 Shoes-24-Lined Boots.png Lined Boots (ボア付きブーツ
Boa-dzuke Būtsu?)

"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:37, 4 April 2011 (EDT) I can't help much with the translation, but the order of Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee is indeed wrong, I messed up. --ShardofTruth 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

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