KHWiki:Project Enemy/SYNTHESIS

We need someone to go through and combine the "Locations", "Journal", and "See Also" sections with the new infoboxes.

Discussion

To be filled in - explanation of how template differs, now.

Is it okay if I start with the enemies that only appear in KH2? - LevL 14:10, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

You can work on whichever ones you want, as long as we keep track of progress. I guess I should go back and list which ones I've done.Glorious CHAOS! 16:01, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

For Days, the journal entries are explicitly enemy profiles, so Character Bosses will have their Days journal on their boss page. However, what do we want to do about characters like Riku, for the other games? Do we want to match the journal entries to the enemy form, do we want to place them all on the first infobox form, or do we want to leave the entries on the character page?Glorious CHAOS! 01:32, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Should the Shadow Sora, AntiSora, Sora's Heartless variations be combined with Roxas (Boss), Xion (Boss), Ventus (Boss), Vanitas (Boss)? Technically, Shadow Sora and AntiSora are the same shape as Sora's Heartless, while Sora's Heartless is a piece of Sora like the other bosses.Glorious CHAOS! 17:40, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think so. Enemy Variations doesn't have the exact same function as See Also. If it did, for example, Neoshadow would be listed as a variation of Shadow, I think. If the enemies are not really similar, they shouldn't be listed as variations. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 18:09, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that would be a good idea. Those characters are treated as different characters in the games. Also, the page would be very large if we want to put all the strategies and videos on it.

EDIT: Sorry, I thought you meant something else. I agree with Neumannz. - LevL 18:08, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

So Shadow Sora, AntiSora, and Sora's Heartless are treated as variations (Heartless in Sora's form), but Vanitas, Ventus, Roxas, Xion, Sora's Heartless are not, and aren't even considered variations of each other?Glorious CHAOS! 18:53, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

What about Replica Data, Absent Silhouette, and Anti- forms? Do those get treated as variations of their origin, or each other?Glorious CHAOS! 18:54, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Their origins. But are there separate articles for Absent Silhouette and Replica Data versions? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:20, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of putting their infoboxes on the Replica Data and Absent Silhouette pages, since they are not entirely appropriate for the regular boss pages.

Okay, so:

• Shadow Sora, AntiSora, Sora's Heartless
• Riku, Anti-Riku, Ansem SoD
• Ventus, Vanitas
• Xemnas, Xemnas's Replica Data
• Xigbar, Xigbar's Replica Data
• Xaldin, Xaldin's Replica Data
• Vexen, Vexen's Absent Silhouette, Vexen's Replica Data
• Lexaeus, Lexaeus's Absent Silhouette, Lexaeus's Replica Data
• Zexion, Zexion's Absent Silhouette, Zexion's Replica Data
• Saix, Anti-Saix, Saix's Replica Data
• Axel, Axel's Replica Data
• Demyx, Demyx's Replica Data
• Luxord, Luxord's Replica Data
• Marluxia, Marluxia's Absent Silhouette, Marluxia's Replica Data
• Larxene, Larxene's Absent Silhouette, Larxen's Replica Data
• Roxas, Roxas's Replica Data, Shadow Roxas
• Xion

I like this variation list better. You are right, when you say that gameplay wise Vanitas, Ventus, Roxas and Xion are variations of Sora (or his heartless\shadows), but story wise they are all very different variations which would make the list more confusing than helpful. Although that's true for the absent silhouettes and replica datas too, the difference in personalty, fighting style and abilities is much smaller --ShardofTruth 20:57, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

The point is to compare the boss battles, and not the characters themselves. This is a pretty good list for that. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 21:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Should Ansem SoD and Xemnas be combined, since they are virtually the same thing (appearance and being)? So, the list would be:

• Riku, Ansem SoD, World of Chaos, Xemnas, Riku Replica, Xemnas's Replica Data, Anti-Riku

And do we want to add Xehanort, Master Xehanort, possibly Terra?

Or simplify it to:

• Riku, Riku Replica, Anti-Riku
• Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Ansem SoD, World of Chaos, Xemnas, Xemnas Data

Good grief, this is a confusing situation.

I'm reluctant to say yes, since as far as the battles go, the "Xehanort family members" are very different enemies...

Maybe Terra and Xehanort, and maybe Ansem SoD and WoC--since the latter is the final form of the former--and Xemnas and Xemnas Data. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

But definitely Riku, Riku Replica, and Anti-Riku. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:17, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

The Xehanort and Ansem pairs both use the Guardian, though, and look very similar. And then Xemnas looks very similar as well.

I don't think it works as battle similarity, though, since very few subspecies are fought the same way, anyway. It's very annoying.Glorious CHAOS! 20:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

And for that matter, one of the Riku boss fights is a clone of Ansem (the Land of Dragons one).Glorious CHAOS! 20:49, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think the vast majority of subspecies have the same fighting style. Probably the most different ones are the "small floating Heartless" family, but they are clearly variations of each other, and they aren't really that different (i.e. they release a magic attack and/or headbutt). I think what we count as variations should depend on how similar they are as enemies.

Having said that, you make a good point about Xehanort and Ansem. The final battle with Xehanort is definitely similar to the ones with Ansem.

I think variations for the "character" bosses need to be treated more carefully that with regular enemies, since we're dealing with individuals rather than with subspecies. I don't know, maybe you're right about including Xemnas with Ansem. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 21:20, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Here's one: do we list Gargoyle Knight and Gargoyle Warrior as variations of the Possessor & Massive Possessor, or are those better off staying as See Alsos? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 00:28, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, those explicitly are subspecies. Its explicitly a Possessor possessing something, just like with the Thresholder.

I suppose if you want, you could mark it as subspecies of Thresholder.Glorious CHAOS! 02:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Next one: Snowy Crystal lists Fiery Globe, Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord, aside from Icy Cube. While I can probably accept Fiery Globe, Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord seem too removed to count as variations or subspecies. Obviously they are related to Icy Cubes, but should I list them for Snowy Crystal? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, they literally are subspecies, instead of recolors, along the lines of Sheltering Zone or Massive Possessor. I think we'd have to list it.Glorious CHAOS! 17:25, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Also, how do we want to do journal entries for character bosses or enemies?Glorious CHAOS! 10:43, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, considering most character journal entries aren't related to their boss fight, maybe those should be left off, especially since certain main characters have multiple journal entries, such as Organization XIII. Although if there are entries that are largely about the boss fight, they probably should be added (like the Days entries). --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 04:20, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Question on Coliseum team names for KH1: For Behemoth and other matches that don't list the enemies, (like when the team is just "Behemoth" or "Cloud") I've not been listing the teams. However, what should I do for the FF team fights, like Leon & Cloud and Leon, Cloud, Yuffie, & Tifa?Glorious CHAOS! 07:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Erg. I guess just list the team members like that. If there's no team name, then you can only describe the team. At least there aren't any nameless teams with more than four members. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

For enemies like Sneak Army that only appear in matches, what goes under "world"? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Neeeevermind, point taken. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 03:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

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SYNTHESIS

• Glorious CHAOS!
• --Xion4ever 00:04, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
• LevL 06:29, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Progress

List of completed articles. For enemies that appear in multiple games, list them under the first game they appear in.

Kingdom Hearts

Air Pirate Air Soldier Angel Star (render image) Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (COM resistances) AntiSora Aquatank (render image) Bandit Barrel Spider Battleship Behemoth (render image) Bit Sniper Black Fungus (Halloween image, after rescue stats) Blue Rhapsody Bouncywild Captain Hook (new KH video) Cave of Wonders Guardian (story cleanup) Cerberus (CKH2 stats) Chernabog Clayton (lead paragraph, basic formatting) Cloud (COM, CKH2 stats, KH1, KH2 videos) Darkball (story) Darkside (story cleanup, missing videos (II and III and coded), theme song files) Defender

Fat Bandit Flotsam & Jetsam Gargoyle Genie Glut Green Requiem Hades (KH stats, Coliseum stats) Jafar Jafar (Genie) Ice Titan Invisible Kurt Zisa Large Body (missing render image) Leon (CKH, CKH2 stats) Lock, Shock, & Barrel Maleficent Maleficent (Dragon) Oogie Boogie Parasite Cage Phantom (better FM image?) Pirate Pot Centipede Pot Spider Powerwild

Queen of Hearts (COM stats) Rare Truffle Red Nocturne Sabor Screwdiver Sea Neon Search Ghost Sephiroth (CKH stats) Shadow shadow glob Shadow Sora Sheltering Zone Soldier Stealth Sneak Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka (element resistances) Trickmaster Ursula White Mushroom Wight Knight Wizard Wyvern (missing render image) Yellow Opera (missing Days image) Yuffie (CKH2 stats)

Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories &Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories

• Axel (COM stats are incomplete)
• Creeper Plant
• Crescendo
• Larxene (stats)
• Tornado Step

Kingdom Hearts II

Aerial Knocker Aeroplane (missing AR image?) Armored Knight Assault Rider Assassin Beast Berserker Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord Bolt Tower Bookmaster Bulky Vendor Cannon Gun (missing Space Paranoids image) Creeper Crimson Jazz Dancer Demyx Devastator (missing Aerial Combat form image) Dragoon Driller Mole Dusk Emerald Blues Fiery Globe Fortuneteller (missing FM image) Gambler

Gargoyle Knight Gargoyle Warrior Graveyard (missing Grave form image) Grim Reaper (cursed image) Groundshaker Hammer Frame Hayner Hook Bat (missing render image) Hot Rod Hydra Icy Cube Illuminator (better FM image) Lance Soldier Living Bone Luna Bandit Luxord Magnum Loader (missing color variations) Minute Bomb Morning Star (missing FM image) Nightwalker Pete (coliseum stats) Possessor/Thresholder Prison Keeper Rabid Dog

Rapid Thruster Saïx Samurai Scar Scar's Ghost Seifer (general formatting) Setzer (general formatting) Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn Shaman Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed Silver Rock Sorcerer Storm Rider Strafer Surveillance Robot (missing SP image?) The Experiment Toy Soldier (missing Pumpkin form image) Trick Ghost Twilight Thorn Xaldin Xigbar

Kingdom Hearts Final Mix & Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix

Aerial Champ Air Viking Arch Behemoth (check journal?) Black Ballade Destroyed Behemoth Chimaera Commander Sark Gigas Shadow Grand Ghost Iron Hammer Jet Balloon Lance Warrior Lingering Sentiment (stats) Mad Bumper Magic Phantom Master Control Program Missile Diver (merge with Jet Balloon?)

Mushroom XIII Necromancer Neoshadow Perplex Pot Scorpion Pink Agaricus Reckless Roxas Runemaster Silent Launcher Sniper Wild Spring Metal Stealth Army Stealth Soldier

Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

Mega-Shadow Scarlet Tango Grey Caprice Striped Aria Sapphire Elegy Pink Concerto Turquoise March Emerald Serenade Dire Plant Fire Plant Blizzard Plant Poison Plant Massive Possessor Rare Vendor Guardian Destroyer Skater Bomb Storm Bomb Detonator Deserter Sergeant Commander Flare Note Bubble Beat

Barrier Master Large Armor Clay Armor Solid Armor Land Armor Snapper Dog Bully Dog Cymbal Monkey Tricky Monkey Novashadow Air Battler Aerial Master Artful Flyer Sky Grappler Snowy Crystal Ice Cannon Switch Launcher Jumbo Cannon Spiked Crawler Scorching Sphere Creepworm Hover Ghost Carrier Ghost Living Pod

Zip Slasher Dual Blade Heat Saber Chill Ripper Blitz Spear Stalwart Blade Tailbunker Avalanche Wavecrest Phantomtail Windstorm Dustflier Orcus Veil Lizard Lurk Lizard Powered Armor Dark Follower Antlion Infernal Engine Leechgrave Crimson Prankster Ruler of the Sky Xion

Still Undone

Full Infoboxes

• Absent Silhouettes
• Hercules
• Lexaeus
• Marluxia
• Marluxia (Second Form)
• Marluxia (Third Form)
• Oogie's Manor
• Riku Replica
• Rock Titan
• Shadow Roxas
• Tifa
• Xemnas
• Zexion

Images

• Angel Star (render)
• Behemoth (render)
• Black Fungus (Halloween Town)
• Book Master (Space Paranoids)
• Cannon Gun (Space Paranoids)
• Devastator (Aerial Combat form)
• Emerald Blues (Space Paranoids)
• Graveyard (Grave form)
• Guard Armor (gauntlets)
• Magnum Loader (color variations)
• Mushroom XIII (Timeless River)
• Opposite Armor (limbs)
• Shadow (Space Paranoids)
• Soldier (Space Paranoids)
• Surveillance Robot (Space Paranoids)
• Toy Soldier (Pumpkin form)

Stats

• Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (COM resistances)
• Axel (COM)
• Black Fungus (after rescue)
• Cerberus (CKH2)
• Cloud (COM, CKH2)
• Hades (CKH, CKH2)
• Guard Armor (CoM & Days limb stats, if possible)
• Larxene
• Leon (CKH, CKH2)
• Lingering Sentiment
• Pete (CKH2)
• Queen of Hearts (COM)
• Sephiroth (CKH)
• Shadow Glob (Oogie stats)
• Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka (KH elements, if possible)
• Vexen
• Yuffie (CKH2)

Other

• Seifer (navigation temp)
• Setzer (navigation temp)
• The Experiment (navigation temp)
• World of Chaos (Japanese names, if possible)