Forum:Birth By Sleep spoiler policy

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KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Okay. Now, we pretty much all agree that there needs to be some type of spoiler policy specific to BBS. Now, there is currently discussion as to exactly what that details. As a preemptive measure, I've fully protected for three months Aqua, Terra, Ventus, Master Eraqus, Master Xehanort, Vanitas, Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus, Ienzo, Sai, Lea, Xehanort, Mickey, and Lingering Sentiment, though that was, again, purely preemptive, and those locks can be lessened, lengthened, or downgraded. Personally, I believe that storyline-spoilers should not be added without being marked with Template:Spoiler and Template:Spoilerend templates, and context of the information should also be properly understood (meaning that translations must be done by credible translators, and that full scenes are studied), so that the the summary is correct, and not just original research based on a snapshot of the game. Item and name spoilers, though, I'm completely fine with, just like last time. While talk pages are not subject to the same strict level, it would still be considered trolling to just throw spoilers up there unless it is specifically part of suggestions for improving the page. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum or news site. From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong!): DTN and Maggosh believe that story info should not be posted at all until the English release. NV believes that no story info should be posted until the scenes in question are available on youtube. This needs to be a community-wide discussion, so please everybody leave your input (not just affirmations) below.

Omamus: I agree with NV

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 00:55, January 9, 2010 (UTC) I think that it should be OK to put up information from BBS on various articles, but Spoiler templates should always be used (except for names of items, weapons and such stuff). I think that as long as the information comes from a trusty source (like Youtube BBS gameplay vids), the info from them should be added to the Wiki. I understand that some users don't wanna get spoiled, but I don't think that we should not update any BBS articles until the english release just because of that... Maybe the main articles should stay protected, but the BBS information should be added to here... somewhere... So, what I am saying is that I agree with Kryten's personal opinion as well as NaturaVega's.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 01:01, January 9, 2010 (UTC) I'm with Xiggie. Is the "Skip Section" portion still in the template? If we do use any type of new BBS info at all, we should allow an option to skip the section, or the entire article in some cases (which becomes redundant)...

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Yeah, I agree with them too. We need to put up information, we're a wiki after all, and the spoiler templates give users fair warning. And waiting for video evidence to come out means we won't be spreading rumors by accident.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Is there any was to code the Spoiler tags so they change the text in between to white?

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 01:15, January 9, 2010 (UTC) Can't you just... not read it?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Well, excuuuuse me, Princess, for coming up with an idea.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 03:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC) I understand that it was a previous thought to have the information for Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep's plot not added to the articles until the North American or European release of the game. Due to the fact that we will, inevitabley, have to once again deal with translations, why not just wait for the North American release, and avoid the translation issues? Remember the mess that translating the weapons from Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days from their Japanese names to their English names was? It was a total and complete mess. Here's the message I left on KrytenKoro's talk page concerning this: "I actually would prefer that we leave the spoilers off of the articles, in the way that you have done by locking the related articles. The spread of spoilers is already causing issues on the IRC Channel, and I'd rather not have those same issues brought to the wiki. Plus, several users wish to remain unspoiled, myself included. If a user really wants to know what happens in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, they have several other resources to look to, such as the KHInsider Forums, a Japanese KHWiki, or several other resources that are across the Internet."

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? But the whole purpose of a wiki is to provide information. That's why we have the spoiler templates, so that we can have that information for those who want it, and alert those who do not want it yet that they should not read that section. Waiting several months without updating the articles with information from the game just so some readers can remain unspoiled seems a little absurd to me. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the section with spoiler tags.

Your overreacting. Relax. Maybe I can understand locking it to only registered users for a week to calm the hype down, perhaps, but otherwise there's really no need to lock articles fully for 3 months. When something new comes out, the information might be a bit messy at first, but over time, it will become clearer.--Pkthis 15:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I myself completely agree with the lockdown for many reasons that I am simply to lazy to type. Randomnessity Well, you won't vanish from my memories.

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - I don't know if someone already suggested this, but I think it would be better if information i added in articles pertaining BBS, but when it comes to Spoilers, adding a spoiler template would be good, just like the FFWiki did with Final Fantasy XIII. That's what I think though.

LegoAlchemist - ARGH. Screw it, apeshit time. TALK - <insert angry Owen here> AAh! Good. There's already a ropic on this. Recently, an item stub from BBS called Vanitas's X-blade was put up for deletion because "people don't want BBS to be spoiled". This is ridiculous! We can't delete pages because people don't want to be spoiled! That is unfair to the people who do want to know the info, and want to help improve it. If we deleted that article (which, by the way, contains barely any spoilers for BBS), then we might as well delete ever other BBS stub that "might ruin the story" for people! Besides, if people don't want to be spoiled, they don't click on the link, or don't read the text! There are countless spoilers on this wiki for things like Days and now BBS! If we delete all of the spoilers, we'll never have any new information! That's why I'm still here, to keep adding information and to not be minded by spoilers.

I thought it was more along the lines of they didn't want another translation pandemic like what happened for Days. I may have misread it though. Who knows? I may have to rethink what I stated above.... Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Saxisai Chat it up! — AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH! "That boy is already infused with darkness, he is a monster!" — Saxisai 05:10, January 10, 2010 (UTC) I agree with Lego completely! The whole wiki is practically a spoiler to some people but they don't care about that, just the new information. If people don't want to be spoiled, then the wiki better take down every single picture of almost everything related to BBS, because they are going to appear on people's user pages, talk pages, and in the forums itself! They are also going to have to delete some people's images for their talk bubbles because they have certain characters faces included in them. (its a shame that im going to have to start using this talk bubble just because people dont want to be spoiled)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? @Randomnessity: That's part of it, but that reason doesn't really hold water. Most of the weapon/location names are already basically in English (ex. Rasukaru Fureimu=Rascal Flame), and anything else can just be changed accordingly when the English game comes out. So long as people who actually speak Japanese do the translating, I don't see much of a problem there.

Saxisai Chat it up! — AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH! "That boy is already infused with darkness, he is a monster!" — Saxisai 05:27, January 10, 2010 (UTC) if you noticed, nobody has cared about the spoilers on the indicated page, only the person who posted it for deletion. (well, nobody has cared who want it deleted, if they want it deleted, they would have posted it in the deletion thread)

KingdomKeyDarkside - If Light and Darkness are eternal, then we Nothings must be the same. TALK - Can you spare… A Heart? 06:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC) Okay, this is what I was talking about. But it appears that I misread it. they don't want spoilers on without tags, and they don't want them on the pages on lockdown. I withdraw my deletion appeal.

Shixoh - I'd love to dance the tango with you, but only if you stop lighting me on fire. TALK - Attacking me while I'm dancing won't do you any good. I'll set you on fire. As long as the spoilers are properly marked I don't see a problem with them being on the website. We could put a spoiler warning on the top of articles stating that they have spoilers in them and which parts have the spoilers. That way people know ahead of time what parts of the articles have spoilers in them. A bunch of people that I know have been dying to know what happens and they don't want to wait until the English one comes out. Since they don't undersand Japanese playing my copy wouldn't do them any good. If people don't want to find out what happens then they can just avoid the pages that have spoilers on them.

Saxisai Chat it up! — AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH! "Sorry, I just found it funny for some reason when you tried to take off my mask!" — Saxisai 06:22, January 10, 2010 (UTC) Well, its all good now, the page is back up and it has the spoiler tags in it.

I think it needs to be made clear to everyone what is and what isn't allowed. It seems like every other edit is a revert to remove spoilers. Raven's wing 18:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say it was a problem, only that it would be a good idea to try to prevent an eventual edit war when someone fails to get the message. Raven's wing 18:15, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't take it as a problem. I was just stating what I do. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Randomnessity, just letting you know that I'm pretty sure we made it clear that spoilers are not to be deleted, but marked with the Spoiler templates.

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - Spoilers are to be marked with the spoiler template if they are actual information, and not just someone throwing blurbs up. Either way, warnings should be given to the editor that put the spoiler up there without discussing it on the talk page or using the spoiler template. Basically, if it seems like the guys just trying to fill in a section of the article, more power to him. If he is instead just trying to post spoilers for spoilers sake, burn the **cker.

Reasonable enough. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Fine.

Bluer says at 14:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC) Okay, I've received complaints about some pages relevant to BbS being fully protected for three months due to a spoiler policy, kupo, and I have to say something: RIDICULOUS MOVE, KUPO. Protecting pages from vandalism, it is understandable, kupo, but protecting pages from spoilers, confirmed translations or otherwise, is utterly ridiculous, kupo. Wikia Protection Policy does not recommend to this, at all. There is a reason why a talk page is installed for each article - and discussing translations would be one of it. Now, I'm going to this on a more personal level, kupo. I've seen KrytenKoro pulling this move time after time, kupo, policing the wiki in ways which some users complain are less user-friendly. The page protection rendered the spoiler policy utterly useless, kupo. Now, I would like it to be possible that the pages are made editable to users, kupo. It is really ironic that even though there's a page protection in place on his article, I get spoiled about Vanitas from its talk page,

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - I started this forum and locked the pages specifically because multiple editors asked me to, and when some new editors have complained about it, I have directed them to this forum and asked them to chime in. I agree with them that there is ample evidence of new editors rushing to post spoilers, and in the process making a mess of the pages, especially given the fact that, at the time there were no translations available. The point of a wiki is to encourage the building of articles, yes, but when it is 100% certain that the information is not verifiable or reliable, protection is appropriate. As I said at the start of this forum, the locks were entirely pre-emptive, and I personally have no problem with them being unlocked. But the unlock needs to be the community decision, not a unilateral move by one admin.

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - To head a protect-war off at the pass, can we all agree that the blocks are no longer needed? As long as we've agreed on what the spoiler policy is, they shouldn't be needed anymore.