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EDIT : Thanks, guys ! Unbirth and I owe you big time. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
EDIT : Thanks, guys ! Unbirth and I owe you big time. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
==May==
===Affiliates page ! (2009.05.10)===
'''''SUMMARY : This idea was brought up by [[User:Azul81677|Azul]] on [[User talk:BebopKate#Affiliates|BebopKate's talk page]]. We've gained a new affiliate and we're now thinking of how to structure a page just for our affiliates and our sister Wikia projects. Now, time to realise that idea.'''''
Well, we can scratch off the KHInsider off our list of possible affiliates. -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 05:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
What, they said no ? Anyway, I can't even find the site (the link from Heartstation isn't working and I can't even get a snapshot). The francophone wiki gets a nod from me. ^_^ For Final Fantasy Almanach, I believe you'll have to ask [[User:Deadlyslashsword|DeadlySlashSword]] - he's there, but just a regular user - I think he'll be able to ping the admins over there. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 05:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Can't find it? Try this [http://www.heartstation.org link]. If not, I can get a snapshot. Yeah, a forumite named Victor over at the [http://forums.khinsider.com/feedback-support/127122-affiliate.html KHI's forums]  said "''I do not think there is any interest in affiliating ourselves (KHI) with your website.''". I don't know if he speaks for the whole KHInsider staff but..... there's a lot more KH sites out there. -[[User:Azul81677|Luxza]] 05:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, we'll keep watch over other sites for now. Oh, and do ask [[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] if he can get to Kingdom Fantasy. Your voice has more of a say in this, and not mine. If I could, I'd keep watch over the forums (because I'm pretty sure KHI doesn't run on one voice alone). TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 06:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
EDIT 06:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC) : Almost forgot - I tried accessing KHI from Heartstation. So trying that external link doesn't work.
That user isn't listed as staff [http://www.khinsider.com/other/contact/index.shtml here]. You should probably try filling out this [http://www.khinsider.com/other/affiliate.shtml form] instead, Azul. &mdash; <span style="font-family:Mistral">[[User:Yuanchosaan|<font color="skyblue">Yuan</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Yuanchosaan|<font color="#00BFFF">Saluto!</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Yuanchosaan|<font color="#1E90FF">Acta</font>]]</sub></span> 06:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Yuan, think you or Azul or BebopKate can ping Unbirth and get him to ask Kingdom Fantasy ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 06:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
EDIT : 06:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC) Whilst I figure out how to work out the Affiliate page, I need help on these :
*<s>Calling Unbirth.</s> Done. Will try pinging Kingdom Fantasy perhaps, in a few hours, or maybe tomorrow (since they're also affiliated with Heartstation).
*<s>Getting snapshots.</s> Will find more once more affiliates join us. Thus far I've only managed to gather the francophone wiki and Heartstation logos.
*Getting the affiliates together.
*Getting everyone's point of view.
*Getting the sister Wikia projects together (the francophone wiki's already under cover. ^_-)
Okay, these are what I had in mind : Chain of Memories cards - all made by ourselves ! Sooner or later we'll have to gather more images - a logo would be preferred for each site. If all else fails, we'll use the usual heart-crown-Keyblade sequence. Since I'm sizing these at 100px each, each line can only fit six. Or, we'll arrange it according to the number of affiliates we manage to reel in. (Speaking of which, I have to see if I can get help with Kingdom Fantasy...)
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" align="center" style="font-size:80%"
|[[Image:HeartstationOrg.png|100px]]
|[[Image:FrancophoneWiki.png|100px]]
|[[Image:KHFanonWikiCard.png|100px]]
|-
![http://heartstation.org Heartstation]
![[w:c:fr.kingdomhearts|KHWiki Francophone]]
![[w:c:kingdomheartsfanon|KH Fanon Wiki]]
|-
|}
Nice. These look great, and fit in with the Kingdom Hearts element. I think that the middle image should reflect on the affiliate's logo. Heartstation's does, for example. - DoorToNothing
^_^ I tried my hardest to save the francophone wiki logo, but I couldn't (everytime it ended up showing the command "Save Target As" instead of "Save Picture As", and so I gave up, and thought of something close to it. Since the logo is yellow, I might as well pick something yellow. Then again, I think I should ask Unbirth to just meet me at the Mensa... TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 01:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
About KHI, I'm on the forum staff there and I saw Azul's thread earlier.  Did you bother to ask Silh, the admin?  Don't listen to what Victor and Rain said, Victor is just in charge of video games and Rain is strict about her information.  They don't speak for KHI as a whole.  At least we have Heartstation though, since alot of our information at KHI used to be given to us because of the person responsible for Heartstation.  She's a retired staff member of KHI. [[User:Guardian Soul|Guardian Soul]] 01:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Think you can help us get their affiliation ? Please ? I'm terrible when it comes to approaching people. o.O TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 02:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea. For the logos, you can simply take a printscreen of the image and edit it in Photoshop. Try taking it direct from the source though ([http://fr.kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Fichier:Wiki.png link, because I'm nice :P). &mdash; <span style="font-family:Mistral">[[User:Yuanchosaan|<font color="skyblue">Yuan</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Yuanchosaan|<font color="#00BFFF">Saluto!</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Yuanchosaan|<font color="#1E90FF">Acta</font>]]</sub></span> 05:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
''Merci''. Oh, and by the way, I don't have Photoshop. I did all this stuff on PowerPoint. ^_^ I'll upload the new version of the Francophone Wiki card soon.
EDIT : Done. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 06:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow... like it! so, how many cards/links will there be? - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 13:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
It depends on the number of affiliates we'll get. At the moment, we've got two (as you see above, Heartstation and the francophone wiki - well, I threw myself in, but after that I asked Unbirth). So if other sites respond, we'll add in more cards. There are six or seven colours for that pattern, so I've gotta work on finding the logos. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 13:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Ohhhhh~ nice idea, I like the cards a lot. But what if we get more than 9 affiliates? The numbers will still go up even if CoM cards go up to 9? We'll also repeat colors or we'll use the color that better suits the site's logo? --[[User:Yer mom|Yer mom]] 14:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll try and make it correspond with the site's logo, but if all else fails, we'll repeat colours. I have to experiment with the gradient, though... As for the numbering system, I'm not sure whether to use 1-9, 0 and then repeat, or go up. I think we should just make it go up, to indicate the number of affiliates we have. Already the card design breaks from tradition. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Here are some ideas for more affiliates: - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 15:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
* [http://www.khinsider.com/ Kingdom Hearts Insider]
* [http://www.kh2.co.uk/ Kingdom Hearts Ultimania]
* [http://kh13.com/ KH 13]
should we try and contact these sites? - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 15:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
You try. And as Guardian Soul said, contact Silh. The Admin. Don't contact Victor and Rain. Silh might be more compassionate towards the Wiki and perhaps affiliate KHInsider with us. Anyway, all the rest of Heartstation's affiliates are our potential affiliates, so we're trying... I'm horrible when it comes to confronting people. You try. Please. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm actually not that good confronting people either... and I have really no idea what to say/ask... help... someone... - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 15:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I'm not gonna let Azul do it - because he did it once, and failed when Victor replied him. I'll try BebopKate - she's the most senior of all of us in terms of age, and probably the most level-headed of us all. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm late ^^' (f*****g jet lag) The pictures are great, I'll try to make one myself to put on the french wiki. --[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] 17:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry about contacting Silh, I mean, if Kate wants to do it because she's an admin, then sure, but I can easily ask Silh because I have him on msn.  I'll just run it by him when he gets on.  I can't see why he would say no. [[User:Guardian Soul|Guardian Soul]] 18:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
@Guardian Soul : Okay, you do it. ^_^
@Unbirth : ''Merci''... But what '''with''' the <nowiki>*bleep*</nowiki> jet lag ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 23:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
@TNE: I like it! "Confront"? Io non ho intenzione di affrontare Victor. Ha detto qualcosa di negativo del wiki e lo ignorai semplicemente. NON POSSO FALLIRE!!!!! -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 01:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Ooo, nice design!  I like it!  As for KHI, I'll let Guardian Soul handle it since he's already familiar with the folks there; my rational grown-up self might scare the kiddies. ^_- [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 04:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
@Azul : J'ai compris ce que tu viens de dire. Fascinant, hein ? Eh bien, je suis sure que Guardian Soul le fera pour nous. On ne doit que lui donner le feu vert. ^_^
@BebopKate : Thanks ! I'll let Guardian Soul do the negotiation. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 05:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Guys, how's progress with the affiliates ? Please keep me updated. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
What's the link to the page where we'll store the affiiliates? just being curious. And on a random note, I just remembered ''Mensa'' in spanish means ''Dumb'' referring to a woman XD! Ah, the joy of languages... --[[User:Yer mom|Yer mom]] 15:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Thus implying that Ansem was all dumb. ^_^ ''Nest-ce pas ?'' Meanwhile, I believe we'll create a new page - '''Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Affiliates'''. Stuff like this should have their own project pages. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Hrm. I... don't really have any ideas to contribute, except perhaps pinging the Final Fantasy Wiki? I know that someone mentioned the Almanach, but I think that's the German one or something, and I'm talking about the English one. But if I ever do come up with more ideas, I'll be certain to make them known. [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 16:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC) 12:34, 12 May, Ohio Time
As I said, I tried to do a logo to put on the french wiki, representing this one. Here it is: <br>[[image:khwikitest.png|thumb|left|100px|I just used Troisnyx's pictures]]<br>--[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] 17:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
@Unbirth : Wonderful ! ^_^ And the colour's just right. What do you guys think ?
@MechaUltimaZero : I mentioned the Almanach, and yes, it's the German one - one of our users is in it. As far as I remember, we've even tried for francophone allies (hence the francophone wiki and the attempt to get Kingdom Fantasy). The Final Fantasy Wiki would also be a good idea, as they have brief accounts of ''Kingdom Hearts'' appearances of Final Fantasy characters. Azul, ILHI, Yuan, Drake and all those from the Final Fantasy Wiki, please take a cue. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 23:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, the FFWiki has us on their Links page under FF-related or something.<br>@TNE:Parla l'italiano? O tu capisci la lingua perché è simile al francese? -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 00:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
@Azul : Parce que c’est dérivé du latin, je comprends tout ce que tu dis. C’est de la langue française que je comprends le latin, et ensuite, les autres langues. Mais je ne parle pas italien, désolée…
What, they have FF-related links ?
Credo di aver capito. Yes, the page can be found [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Wiki:Suggested_Links here] -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 00:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, but it's like, only in a list of links. Think we should make a card for that as well ? (I've got no choice but to use yellow !) TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 00:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I say no. They have us as a link, so should they be placed as a link. -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 01:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, no one else has us as a link... Why the double standards ? Just because they put all their affiliates in links doesn't mean we have to do the same, ''n'est-ce pas ?'' TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 01:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I meant, we're not affiliates of them. We just link out from them. -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay. But where do we put the links (which are not cards) ? o.O TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 01:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'm on FFWiki too, y'know! [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 11:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
You know what, I think we should ping the admins over FFWiki and ask whether they wanna be affiliates. Sounds fair enough a deal, ''non'' ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Guys ??? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 16:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been trying to work out the kinks in my new talk template. Trying to make it so that doing the "happytext"/"blahtext"/etc. thing would affect the entire box. So far, not working. But I'll fix it eventually. It's called MetaZ2. [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 17:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
FFWiki would be cool.  I think about half of the people here are over there anyway... [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 22:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Exactly ! And I know some of the mods (if not the admins) from over there are with us on KHWiki. Go push the admins, I tell you ! TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 23:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Isn't anyone gonna drop by ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 06:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'll ask, since I'm a mod there. &mdash; <span style="font-family:Mistral">[[User:Yuanchosaan|<font color="skyblue">Yuan</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Yuanchosaan|<font color="#00BFFF">Saluto!</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Yuanchosaan|<font color="#1E90FF">Acta</font>]]</sub></span> 06:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:To be straight and honest, this wiki was taken over by the exact same guys from FFWiki - with the idea that KHWiki would be some sort of a sister project to FFWiki.
:Oh...and I didn't know you guys were discussing about creating a links and affiliates page. Sorry for the intrusion on the sidebar - I removed it so you guys can consider what really is best to do. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 14:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
@Yuan : Tell me what the outcome is.
@Bluer : I see you've done some changes to the sidebar, but where's the link ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Mediawiki changes only appear when saved. I removed the change, that's why it didn't show. I removed it since there's still a discussion. I leave it to you guys to decide the outcome. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 04:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh okay. I've a feeling that we'll go on with the page, because we'll have to give a brief description of each page (and I'm sure we can't do it in the sidebar !). So let's see how many affiliates we have :
*Heartstation
*Kingdom Hearts Francophone Wiki
*Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki (soon to be developed, but we're giving them the green light to affiliate with us).
That makes three. Plus, if we manage to get Final Fantasy Wiki, that'll make four. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 05:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
What's with the pink, Troisnyx? I'd like you to change that to blue or green or something--yeah, green would work just fine. See yout talk page on KHFW for more details. [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 11:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll switch the colours and use the same arrangment, but shall I retain the font ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 11:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
EDIT : 14:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC) Done. That makes '''three cards !''' TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
<big>'''''ANNOUNCEMENT : The Affiliates page is finally up ! All of you, go see [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Affiliates]]. Any further discussions will take place in the KHWiki:Affiliates talk page. Enjoy ! TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 03:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)'''''</big>
===Atlantica Song template ? (2009.05.13) : CLOSED (Will be reopened when better ideas flow in)===
'''''SUMMARY : I know I'm not a fan of Atlantica's song system but I still need to organise those songs...'''''
I had this idea in mind only just now. I'll base it on my TNE-Subpages template.
{| class="toccolours" width="100%" style="clear:both; background:ghostwhite; border: 2px solid  slateblue; -moz-border-radius: 10px;"
|-
! align="center" style="background:slateblue; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |[[Atlantica#Mini-Games|<font color="white" face="Trebuchet MS" size="3">Songs in Atlantica</font>]]
|-
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;color: black"> | [[Swim This Way|<font color="dodgerblue">Swim This Way]] - [[Part of Your World|<font color="limegreen">Part of Your World]] - [[Under the Sea|<font color="mediumvioletred">Under the Sea]] - [[Ursula's Revenge|<font color="mediumpurple">Ursula's Revenge]] - [[A New Day is Dawning|<font color="darkgray">A New Day is Dawning]]
|}
As you can see, it's not complete. There's still a few more things I intend to do for the title bar. Like, add a shell, or a fish from the title image, or summat.
The colours of the songs are based on the buttons and commands introduced : Swim This Way involved the blue circle with {{Button|x}}, so it's blue. Part Of Your World involved the green circle with a {{Button|t}}, so it's green. Under The Sea involved the {{Button|s}} training, so it's pink. Ursula's Revenge involved the purple circle with {{Button|x}}, so it's purple. And because A New Day is Dawning uses all training buttons, I ended up putting it in silver.
'''Nah, I think we should probably just use a "See Also" thing instead of a Template. Granted, though, in my opinion, it doesn't really matter that much. [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 11:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC)'''
'''Great idea. I know I hate the songs very much, but a good idea is a good idea. [[User:Amy Cotton|Amy Cotton]] 11:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)'''
'''Hrm. Given that the alternative would probably be a category, I suppose I'll just go along with it after all. [[User:MechaUltimaZero|Mecha]][[User talk:MechaUltimaZero|Ultima]][[Special:Contributions/MechaUltimaZero|Zero]] 11:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC) 7:52, 13 May 2009 (Ohio Time)'''
Although I'm not a fan of Atlantica, I think this is a good idea! a crab image huh? how about this: - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 13:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
{| class="toccolours" width="100%" style="clear:both; background:ghostwhite; border: 2px solid  slateblue; -moz-border-radius: 10px;"
|-
! align="center" style="background:slateblue; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |[[Image:Crab2.gif]] [[Atlantica#Mini-Games|<font color="white" face="Trebuchet MS" size="3">Songs in Atlantica</font>]] [[Image:Crab.gif]]
|-
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;color: black"> | [[Swim This Way|<font color="dodgerblue">Swim This Way]] - [[Part of Your World|<font color="limegreen">Part of Your World]] - [[Under the Sea|<font color="mediumvioletred">Under the Sea]] - [[Ursula's Revenge|<font color="mediumpurple">Ursula's Revenge]] - [[A New Day is Dawning|<font color="darkgray">A New Day is Dawning]]
|}
I think it looks OK <s>(I could however turn one of them around so they're both facing the middle if you'd like)</s>
EDIT: Done! - [[User:Xiggie|<span style="color:blue ;">'''Ice'''</span>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<span style="color:dodgerblue ;">'''boy'''</span>]] 13:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks nice. [[User:Amy Cotton|Amy Cotton]] 13:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
''Merveilleux !'' Now, time to put it under Navigation Templates. Thanks also for the crab pix, Xig. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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