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| == "Replica" Page? == | | == "Replica" Page? == |
Revision as of 02:39, 8 August 2010
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Night Falcon - A faithful replica until the very end TALK - That's good enough.
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Ok I'm here what now?
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Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}}
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Does anyone else agree that Repliku's quote section has gotten way out of hand! they're around 50 !!!
There is no need to quote almost every line she speaks!
I say we bring them down to, say, 20 tops!
anyone agree?
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Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}
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Oh definitely. There's way too many quotes there.
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This is a recurrent problem for many characters, in fact. As I told Azul, we used to have a limit of 10 quotes or so, until some anonymous IP addresses came and broke the limit altogether.
How much should be the allowed number of quotes, anyway ?
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Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
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Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}}
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I say that we keep 10, but if necessary, 15 tops!
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See User talk:Azul81677 - there's a section on quotes. Thus far, four people have agreed with 10 (and if we count you in, that's five).
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Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
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Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}}
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will do :P
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Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
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I just put this down in the Trivia section and want to see if anyone approves. Does anyone else think that the Riku Replica is the only major antagonist in the trilogy (it's a trilogy until more games come out) who could be called a tragic villain.
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I do !
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I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne
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NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - I'm so sorry...
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Yeah...I feel really sorry for Repliku...In the end of Sora's story...He was actually kind...Poor thing...
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Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
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Alright then, it stays.
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Honestly, he seems more like an anti-hero. Veroso 16:55 29 May, 2009
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KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK -
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He has a really weird situation. He's not really an antagonist, because it's actually Sora that's interfering with him and making a mess of things, it's just that we see it from Sora's point of view. Replica Riku was pretty much content to just sit there protecting Namine.
'course, he had a different personality when he was first created, but I honestly can't decipher what he was actually trying to do besides test himself against Riku that one time.
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Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
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Generally a tragic villain is an antagonist you feel sorry for. This guy tried to kill Sora, Marluxia and Riku (and actually killed Zexion) because of the same reason, he wanted to become his own self. Besides an anti-hero is generally someone who is doing heroic things but for selfish methods. The only time that could be true is just before the fight with Marluxia and even then it's debatable (he was protecting Namine at the time). Let's just keep it until we can clear this up.
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KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK -
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He's not a villain, though. To be a villain, you have to be actively trying to commit evil; Riku Replica only reacted against Sora's incursions. He tested himself against Riku once, but once his memories were modified, all he wanted to do was protect Namine. It was Sora who kept on making a mess of that, and starting the fights. As for trying to kill Marluxia and Zexion, so? So did Riku and Sora, who are clearly the protagonist heroes of the game.
I think we could call him an anti- or tragic hero, but he's definitely not a tragic villain.
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- The thing is, no matter what, he's not on Sora's side. I think we should use the term "antagonist" since it's technically morally neutral while at the same time opposing the protagonist (Sora).—Urutapu 20:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
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What do mean he's not on Sora's side? If he wasn't, he could've killed him by now, right? But he didn't, we just walk away, saying that Sora is a good guy, and he doesn't need to be real to see it! Repliku is a tragic villian, all right! I feel sorry for him when he died. It seems to be even the real Riku felt sorry for him!
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I just want to thank KrytenKoro for (kinda) agreeing with me. And I have to say that if the Riku Replica had found out Namine wasn't really his friend, and of he had somehow gotten angry at Sora for this and had tried to kill him, and then Sora had killed him, that would make him a tragic villan. But that didn't happen. Veroso 21:23 30 May, 2009
om this note I suggest a comparison to Xion.
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Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
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Watch either the 2nd or 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean movies or The Dark Knight. Take an example like Davy Jones. He's a tragic villain because he's doing bad stuff like killing and marauding but only because his one true love ditched him. In The Dark Knight, Two-Face is a tragic villain because his face got set on fire and he feels that he's been cheated because his love was also taken from him. Granted Repliku didn't have a cheated love life but he's still a tragic villain. He's not evil but he's not a good guy. You have to feel kinda sorry for him. That's what a tragic villain is. An anti-hero is someone who's on the hero's side but for selfish reasons. A tragic villain is basically the polar opposite: they're playing the villain's game because they got cheated and they feel the world should be cheated too. Also to whoever said that above me I haven't played 358/2 Days (and won't until some time after September 29th) but is Xion the main villain in that game. Because I read a bit of her plot and endgame and that does seem like a tragic villain but I dunno unless I know that she's actually the game's main antagonist.
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Besides, he wasn't the only tragic villain, couldn't the Experiment be considered a tragic villain?(Bananaphone1996 02:34, August 8, 2010 (UTC))
It's an opinion, pure and simple. You could consider all of the nobodies tragic in some way, since their main goal is just to be whole again. Xehanort, a main corrupted by darkness, by his own choice and foolishness, is tragic in a way. The actual articles aren't the place for opinions, but they're great to have, and we have forums so people can voice them.LapisLazuliScarab02:39, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
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xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad.
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I've been thinking, and I think it may be worth-while to create an article on the Replica.....race, if you will. A general description of Replicas. I mean, there's only been two so far, but both of them where fairly important to the storyline. Also, there seems to be powers unique to the Replicas. Yes? No?
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Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
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Good idea
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Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
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Can someone upload a better picture of Riku Replica, the current one is way too grainy.
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The Emblem's Appearances
"The only time when the Replica did not have a Heartless emblem on its chest was when he first bumped into Sora."
Correction. The emblem was also absent when the Replica first met Riku. The scenes in Re:Chain of Memories for Riku's story support this statement. JudgmentDay95 15:23 10 July, 2009
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xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad.
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Ok. I'll change it...
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Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 13:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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We state that the RR has a different battle stance than Riku in ReCoM. I've never noticed this, unless it was a very subtle change. As far as I know, the Replica and Riku still implement the whole "one arm raised and one arm out" stance, regardless of their differences. If everything else is similar (besides the obvious) between the two Rikus, shouldn't their poses also be identical?
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xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad.
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I've never seen a difference, either.
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The image
I meant to just rescale it so there wasent as much pixelation seen, But i broke it instead. Does anyone know how to fix it?
I got it. --James Havoc 03:16, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Trivia
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Other than the Manga thing what does anything else in the trivia have to do with him? The battle trivia doesn't even make sense on what it's supposed to mean. The Repliku is a fan name. We don't include those right? And that last one... Isn't written that great...
EDIT:Ok. But what does that one that is left have to do with anything? Am I just not letting my imagination flow?
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Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.
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It was unimportant..hence deletion. One less article without trivia! ^^--Xion4ever 04:07, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm wondering why I didn't do that myself... Trust your instincts Random! I almost feel bad for the poor trivia...--Random!to a point! 04:09, February 1, 2010 (UTC)