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Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | ||
I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was | I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was an attack on her. It's very unimpressive that you continue to try to paint it as perfectly friendly "taps on the shoulder asking what time it is" -- you know damn well you were trying to hurt her feelings, and you know damn well you didn't have even the barest shred of "this must be done to get articles written" to justify it. I don't really care whether you feel shame or seek atonement, and I think I made that clear in the discussion - I care that you're grown up enough to concede that the behavior should not happen again, and focus on de-escalating instead of constantly getting into pissing contests. | ||
"Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | "Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
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:" A proposition from me that this will never happen again. Happily, it's extremely easy and doable - not even remotely irrational at that. I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking about me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that." - Try again, without completely ousting all responsibility and blame on Ninja, and with more recognizance that this whole thing started with you [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheFifteenthMember&diff=700964&oldid=700839 casting aspersions in a topic that Ninja was not even remotely involved in]. The solution you've proposed would do zilch to prevent that from happening again. An interaction ban is technically doable, if cumbersome, but at the bare minimum it would have to go both ways and not simply be "I get to talk shit about Ninja, and if she says word one in defense she gets in trouble."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :" A proposition from me that this will never happen again. Happily, it's extremely easy and doable - not even remotely irrational at that. I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking about me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that." - Try again, without completely ousting all responsibility and blame on Ninja, and with more recognizance that this whole thing started with you [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheFifteenthMember&diff=700964&oldid=700839 casting aspersions in a topic that Ninja was not even remotely involved in]. The solution you've proposed would do zilch to prevent that from happening again. An interaction ban is technically doable, if cumbersome, but at the bare minimum it would have to go both ways and not simply be "I get to talk shit about Ninja, and if she says word one in defense she gets in trouble."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::I'm sorry, what? "From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site." When did I bamboozled anyone? You do know that users are promoted based on elections? KH-Vids? What are you talking about? Provide sources, if you please. I remember the Gamefaqs community. Kryten was there, too, and I already apologized for what happened there. It was a forum where people were trashing the KHWiki, so I got mad and popped in. [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943346-kingdom-hearts-358-2-days/52153007?page=4. Here's the link. I do remember Kryten popping in there, too, and I do remember apologizing.] But it wasn't a war. It was a spat, because they were saying mean things, and I made amends by apologizing for it. But so what? It's not a secret; everyone knew about it. Again, I was young then, and apologized. That was 7 years ago. But what does have to do with you, personally? Once again, you're just throwing accusations around and insulting me for no good reason. Everyone has done things in the past they're not proud of, but I learned from mistakes. You, on the other, have not.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :::I'm sorry, what? "From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site." When did I bamboozled anyone? You do know that users are promoted based on elections? KH-Vids? What are you talking about? Provide sources, if you please. I remember the Gamefaqs community. Kryten was there, too, and I already apologized for what happened there. It was a forum where people were trashing the KHWiki, so I got mad and popped in. [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943346-kingdom-hearts-358-2-days/52153007?page=4. Here's the link. I do remember Kryten popping in there, too, and I do remember apologizing.] But it wasn't a war. It was a spat, because they were saying mean things, and I made amends by apologizing for it. But so what? It's not a secret; everyone knew about it. Again, I was young then, and apologized. That was 7 years ago. But what does have to do with you, personally? Once again, you're just throwing accusations around and insulting me for no good reason. Everyone has done things in the past they're not proud of, but I learned from mistakes. You, on the other, have not.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
