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Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | ||
I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was | I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was an attack on her. It's very unimpressive that you continue to try to paint it as perfectly friendly "taps on the shoulder asking what time it is" -- you know damn well you were trying to hurt her feelings, and you know damn well you didn't have even the barest shred of "this must be done to get articles written" to justify it. I don't really care whether you feel shame or seek atonement, and I think I made that clear in the discussion - I care that you're grown up enough to concede that the behavior should not happen again, and focus on de-escalating instead of constantly getting into pissing contests. | ||
"Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | "Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
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::::You clearly have something against me that GOES BEYOND the KHWiki. You seem to know who I am, even using my real name as if we're familiars, which we're not. Quite frankly, that isn't very fair, and just making things a lot worse for you. I'm asking you, politely, to please address whatever issues you have.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ::::You clearly have something against me that GOES BEYOND the KHWiki. You seem to know who I am, even using my real name as if we're familiars, which we're not. Quite frankly, that isn't very fair, and just making things a lot worse for you. I'm asking you, politely, to please address whatever issues you have.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::I have an intense dislike for you stemming all the way back to KH-Vids. From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site. That's nothing to say of the fact that you practically started a war with the Gamefaqs community ''over literally nothing''. Past that, we reach into personal issues territory: You over-reach yourself, present yourself as more important than everyone else, immediately go on the hostile and offensive the moment something bothers you, and you have a penchant for attracting drama more than anyone else here. Again, if this was just between you and me, it'd be one thing - ''you have a past history even fuzzier than my own''. That's nothing to say of the fact than even here...some people ''just don't like you'' for your incredibly bossy attitude and unfriendly demeanor. Like I said, the IRC talks were illuminating. With that, we're done here. Unless you can turn a 180, then a 360 and maybe even a 720 into the fifth dimension, I'm not about to start liking you or even respecting you. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 19:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :::::I have an intense dislike for you stemming all the way back to KH-Vids. From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site. That's nothing to say of the fact that you practically started a war with the Gamefaqs community ''over literally nothing''. Past that, we reach into personal issues territory: You over-reach yourself, present yourself as more important than everyone else, immediately go on the hostile and offensive the moment something bothers you, and you have a penchant for attracting drama more than anyone else here. Again, if this was just between you and me, it'd be one thing - ''you have a past history even fuzzier than my own''. That's nothing to say of the fact than even here...some people ''just don't like you'' for your incredibly bossy attitude and unfriendly demeanor. Like I said, the IRC talks were illuminating. With that, we're done here. Unless you can turn a 180, then a 360 and maybe even a 720 into the fifth dimension, I'm not about to start liking you or even respecting you. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 19:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:"I'm not seeing threats on every corner..." -- you directly accused me of trying to silence you when the only action I've taken in this incident has been the exact opposite. You are, objectively, seeing conspirators where there are none, and claiming to be abused when you have been given leniency | :"I'm not seeing threats on every corner..." -- you directly accused me of trying to silence you when the only action I've taken in this incident has been the exact opposite. You are, objectively, seeing conspirators where there are none, and claiming to be abused when you have been given leniency. | ||
:''Do not'' use someone's RL name on the wiki. You know damn well that isn't kosher. | :''Do not'' use someone's RL name on the wiki. You know damn well that isn't kosher. | ||
:" If you think my past transgressions - PAST - call for me getting banned on here," -- No, I think your steadfast refusal to accept that this kind of shit ''needs to not happen again'' calls for being banned -- so far you have not said anything even ''vaguely similar'' to "I don't think I messed up, but I won't do this again" -- instead, you've been defiantly proud about it and engaging in ''further'' mudslinging | :" If you think my past transgressions - PAST - call for me getting banned on here," -- No, I think your steadfast refusal to accept that this kind of shit ''needs to not happen again'' calls for being banned -- so far you have not said anything even ''vaguely similar'' to "I don't think I messed up, but I won't do this again" -- instead, you've been defiantly proud about it and engaging in ''further'' mudslinging. | ||
:"all I did in retaliation was a little bit of snark and alluded to her very colorful history." bull-fucking-shit. You "alluded" nothing, you directly started mudslinging and causing drama about shit ''not related to the wiki'', and the incident that got her to ask you what the issue was in the first place was you casting aspersions about her ''completely hypothetical actions'' in a completely unrelated discussion. Your every response to her has been to escalate and bring in ''more'' drama, not less. '' | :"all I did in retaliation was a little bit of snark and alluded to her very colorful history." bull-fucking-shit. You "alluded" nothing, you directly started mudslinging and causing drama about shit ''not related to the wiki'', and the incident that got her to ask you what the issue was in the first place was you casting aspersions about her ''completely hypothetical actions'' in a completely unrelated discussion. Your every response to her has been to escalate and bring in ''more'' drama, not less. | ||
:"And I know what sort of trouble she brings everywhere she goes, and here's a very simple litmus test to prove my point:" -- please read [[User talk:Webber22|this link]]. This community makes a concerted effort to give people second chances even if they cause drama, provided they stop trying to cause it -- as we've extended to you in the past, on the expectation that this behavior would at least ''lessen''. Right now, ''you'' are the one being disruptive. | |||
:" Unless you want me to, because there are a good half dozen stories to share" -- It so incredibly doesn't matter. We're actually trying to get work done here -- provided Ninja is not being an obstacle to that work and isn't misusing our platform to abuse other people, we don't give a flying fuck what she gets up to in her spare time. It's the same thing we extend to everyone else here - don't vandalize, don't use the wiki as a vehicle for harassment, and they'll get along fine. | |||
:"I mean....have I gotten into a serious confrontation with anyone else on here?" - [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AForeteller&diff=685930&oldid=685898 link]. | |||
:"You mean more ridiculous than "we either ban a little bit, or a lot bit depending on what he says!"?" -- The proposal was a ban contingent on you providing a solution to your behavior. You instead decided (and have continued to decide) to raise even more drama and mudslinging. | |||
:" A proposition from me that this will never happen again. Happily, it's extremely easy and doable - not even remotely irrational at that. I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking about me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that." - Try again, without completely ousting all responsibility and blame on Ninja, and with more recognizance that this whole thing started with you [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheFifteenthMember&diff=700964&oldid=700839 casting aspersions in a topic that Ninja was not even remotely involved in]. The solution you've proposed would do zilch to prevent that from happening again. An interaction ban is technically doable, if cumbersome, but at the bare minimum it would have to go both ways and not simply be "I get to talk shit about Ninja, and if she says word one in defense she gets in trouble."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :" A proposition from me that this will never happen again. Happily, it's extremely easy and doable - not even remotely irrational at that. I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking about me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that." - Try again, without completely ousting all responsibility and blame on Ninja, and with more recognizance that this whole thing started with you [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheFifteenthMember&diff=700964&oldid=700839 casting aspersions in a topic that Ninja was not even remotely involved in]. The solution you've proposed would do zilch to prevent that from happening again. An interaction ban is technically doable, if cumbersome, but at the bare minimum it would have to go both ways and not simply be "I get to talk shit about Ninja, and if she says word one in defense she gets in trouble."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
