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{{TheSilentHero|time=22:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)|ganon=You are hereby warned for personal attacks on another user. Since you have been banned for this in the past, continuing this behaviour will result in a one month ban. Please stop this behaviour.}} | {{TheSilentHero|time=22:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)|ganon=You are hereby warned for personal attacks on another user. Since you have been banned for this in the past, continuing this behaviour will result in a one month ban. Please stop this behaviour.}} | ||
:I was considering giving him a warning though maybe a new template should be made for personal attacks. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC) | :I was considering giving him a warning though maybe a new template should be made for personal attacks. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
== "Now, is this not the smart and rational thing to do at this point?" == | == "Now, is this not the smart and rational thing to do at this point?" == | ||
Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | ||
I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was | I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was an attack on her. It's very unimpressive that you continue to try to paint it as perfectly friendly "taps on the shoulder asking what time it is" -- you know damn well you were trying to hurt her feelings, and you know damn well you didn't have even the barest shred of "this must be done to get articles written" to justify it. I don't really care whether you feel shame or seek atonement, and I think I made that clear in the discussion - I care that you're grown up enough to concede that the behavior should not happen again, and focus on de-escalating instead of constantly getting into pissing contests. | ||
"Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | "Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
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*(change visibility) 13:15, 1 June 2016 KrytenKoro (Talk | contribs | block) changed block settings for Webber22 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (''account creation disabled, email disabled'') ('''We don't block talk pages unless they are consistently violating the few rules we have for talk pages''') (unblock | change block) | *(change visibility) 13:15, 1 June 2016 KrytenKoro (Talk | contribs | block) changed block settings for Webber22 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (''account creation disabled, email disabled'') ('''We don't block talk pages unless they are consistently violating the few rules we have for talk pages''') (unblock | change block) | ||
:Seriously, dude, calm down with seeing threats around every corner. I'm at work, I'm not monitoring the IRC 24/7.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :Seriously, dude, calm down with seeing threats around every corner. I'm at work, I'm not monitoring the IRC 24/7.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::I'm not seeing ''threats on every corner''... All I did was try to add something to your talk page. And THAT, by the way, is a hilarious thing to say considering | ::I'm not seeing ''threats on every corner''... All I did was try to add something to your talk page. And THAT, by the way, is a hilarious thing to say considering Helen banned me for "intimidating behavior." I'm sorry....did I put a gun to her head or something? Now...let's clear up a few things. First off, I'm a bit of a dick. Have been for a very long time. And as you've noticed in the past, I've ''genuinely'' tried to change things up a bit. But to put lightly, I'm not an advocate for saints. If you think my past transgressions - ''PAST'' - call for me getting banned on here, then I wholly accept that. However, as you might have glimpsed in the IRC, I DO NOT accept Helen's ban, nor do I recognize her authority. I've kept my mouth shut about her for a very long time, and this whole started when she antagonized me first - all I did in retaliation was a little bit of snark and alluded to her very colorful history. She perceived that as a threat....and now we are here. And you're right - I ''should'' apologize. And normally, I would. But not to her. Why is she so special? Because unlike you, I ''know'' her. And I know what sort of trouble she brings everywhere she goes, and here's a very simple litmus test to prove my point: Am I the first person on this wiki to have engaged with her in this sort of drama? Am I....I dunno, the fifth? No? Okay, then how about this: In comparison, in how much shit do the ''other'' admins and mods on here get into? For a while, I thought she was made an admin on here because, like me, she went out and looked for a change. Last night's IRC was illuminating to say the least. So, ''why the fuck'' would I respect the authority of someone who has repeatedly caused me trouble time and again? There's a ''reason'' why she never goes to any other KH community site out there anymore. Normally, I would try to appeal to your senses and ''urge'' you to get rid of her. But 1, I have absolutely no right to do that since I'm equally guilty of some stupid stuff in the past, and 2, that requires me to talk at length precisely ''why.'' Unless you ''want'' me to, because there are a good half dozen stories to share. So that really brings us down to the magic question: You want assurance that ''this will never happen again''. A proposition from me that this will never happen again. Happily, it's ''extremely'' easy and doable - not even remotely irrational at that. I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking ''about'' me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that. If someone needs to post something on my talk page, someone else can do it. I mean, we have more admins than mods anyway. If I do something super duper awesome, I don't want her to nominate me for member of the month - ''someone else can do that''. Basically, ''I don't want to know that she even exists''. And I '''''guarantee''' you'', I won't even make a passing mention of anything remotely hinting at her existence. As long as that's on the board, it's 100% guarantee that you'll have nothing but peace and tranquility around here as far as I'm concerned. I mean....have I gotten into a ''serious confrontation'' with anyone else on here? Do I seriously have a problem with ''anyone else'' on here? Nyope! Helen is special because we share an ''annoying history'' - and I'll simply end it at that. If you feel like she ''genuinely'' has a place here, then it's not my place to soil it. But all the same, I will not accept anything she has to say about me. Nor will I accept any middlemen. If you want to kick me out, it has to be for ''your reasons'', and ''your rationale''. As long as this compromise is follow through, I promise you I won't even remotely bring her up. Kick me in the ass, solder off my balls - ''I will stick to it''. Is this fair? --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 17:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::Please don't use my real name. My real name is only reserved for people I know, and are friends with. So please don't address me familiarly like this, using my real name without my permission. And also, please don't talk as if you know me. So, apparently, we have encounters offsite before? Please illuminate me on them. Who are you, then? What have I done to you in the past? I have asked before, you refused to answer. But it seems this is more than just what happened here on the KHWiki.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ::Please don't use my real name. My real name is only reserved for people I know, and are friends with. So please don't address me familiarly like this, using my real name without my permission. And also, please don't talk as if you know me. So, apparently, we have encounters offsite before? Please illuminate me on them. Who are you, then? What have I done to you in the past? I have asked before, you refused to answer. But it seems this is more than just what happened here on the KHWiki.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::Our compromise Kryten....not off to a great start! --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 18:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ::Our compromise Kryten....not off to a great start! --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 18:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::Seriously, that's a ridiculous proposal. ''I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking ''about'' me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that. If someone needs to post something on my talk page, someone else can do it.'' You can't decide whether someone talks to you or not. Let's say we're having a discussion on some talk page, and you join the discussion, that would mean she can't say anything, because that means she would be talking to you. Just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can antagonize her and you can't decide whether you "recognize her authority" or not. You are the one who broke the rules, so admit it, instead of blaming someone else about things. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :::Seriously, that's a ridiculous proposal. ''I don't want her talking to me. I don't want her even talking ''about'' me. If I somehow upset someone over something in the future, I don't want her confronting and judging me - someone else can do that. If someone needs to post something on my talk page, someone else can do it.'' You can't decide whether someone talks to you or not. Let's say we're having a discussion on some talk page, and you join the discussion, that would mean she can't say anything, because that means she would be talking to you. Just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can antagonize her and you can't decide whether you "recognize her authority" or not. You are the one who broke the rules, so admit it, instead of blaming someone else about things. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::You clearly have something against me that GOES BEYOND the KHWiki. You seem to know who I am, even using my real name as if we're familiars, which we're not. Quite frankly, that isn't very fair, and just making things a lot worse for you. I'm asking you, politely, to please address whatever issues you have.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ::::You clearly have something against me that GOES BEYOND the KHWiki. You seem to know who I am, even using my real name as if we're familiars, which we're not. Quite frankly, that isn't very fair, and just making things a lot worse for you. I'm asking you, politely, to please address whatever issues you have.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::I have an intense dislike for you stemming all the way back to KH-Vids. From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site. That's nothing to say of the fact that you practically started a war with the Gamefaqs community ''over literally nothing''. Past that, we reach into personal issues territory: You over-reach yourself, present yourself as more important than everyone else, immediately go on the hostile and offensive the moment something bothers you, and you have a penchant for attracting drama more than anyone else here. Again, if this was just between you and me, it'd be one thing - ''you have a past history even fuzzier than my own''. That's nothing to say of the fact than even here...some people ''just don't like you'' for your incredibly bossy attitude and unfriendly demeanor. Like I said, the IRC talks were illuminating. With that, we're done here. Unless you can turn a 180, then a 360 and maybe even a 720 into the fifth dimension, I'm not about to start liking you or even respecting you. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 19:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | :::::I have an intense dislike for you stemming all the way back to KH-Vids. From when you tried to bamboozle the community into becoming a moderator to trying to pin the blame on one of my moderators that almost got us into legal trouble with another site. That's nothing to say of the fact that you practically started a war with the Gamefaqs community ''over literally nothing''. Past that, we reach into personal issues territory: You over-reach yourself, present yourself as more important than everyone else, immediately go on the hostile and offensive the moment something bothers you, and you have a penchant for attracting drama more than anyone else here. Again, if this was just between you and me, it'd be one thing - ''you have a past history even fuzzier than my own''. That's nothing to say of the fact than even here...some people ''just don't like you'' for your incredibly bossy attitude and unfriendly demeanor. Like I said, the IRC talks were illuminating. With that, we're done here. Unless you can turn a 180, then a 360 and maybe even a 720 into the fifth dimension, I'm not about to start liking you or even respecting you. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 19:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
