Editing User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII

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== Quote userboxes ==

{{TheSilentHero|time=18:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC)|robin=Hey, I see that you are using the new quote userboxes and I wanted to tell you about a special feature they have. If you add a number to it, like <nowiki>{{User Sora Q|1}}</nowiki>, you can select a specific quote to show up, instead of a randomly chosen one. Maybe you already know this, but I thought I should inform you about it.}}
{{ENX|time=21:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)|text=Cool! I was wondering about that, but I kinda like the random templates. Saves space on my userpage :)}}

== Salutations! ==

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 07:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)|normal=Yes, I am a fan of both FMA and FMA:B, are you a fan of anime too? :D}}
{{RikutheBloody|time=12:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC)|text=Wow, another anime user. Keep'em coming.}}

=="The" Keyblade==
I think that adding "Keyblade" after the weapon name is superficial, and that the definite article isn't needed. Isn't the simplest, most concise way of wording these sentences be in the manner of "Oathkeeper has ____ as an equipment ability" and "Guardian Soul has ____ as an equipment ability". This makes sense because the Keyblade names are considered proper nouns, so they do not use articles (in the same why, you wouldn't use a person's name and say "the" or "a" before it). Thoughts? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::I am in full agreement with you. The problem is, it's already so widespread across the Wiki in the form of the weapon articles. I personally prefer saying "Make sure you equip '''the''' Ultima Weapon" instead of "Make sure you equip Ultima Weapon," but I, too, do think that the definite article should be dropped, at least in most cases. I am tempted to use the Heartless/Nobody/Unversed/Dream Eater articles to counter your argument, but that is a whole new kettle of worms. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 13:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I'd say there are two instances: weapon names that are entirely a name or proper noun (e.g. Oblivion) and weapon names that consist of an adjective and noun. With the former, it's natural to use without the article because it's like using a person's name ("Oblivion has..." and "John has...). The latter should have a definite article because that's what you'd use in natural speech (e.g. the Ultima Weapon, the Guardian Soul etc.). I'd say we should use whatever sounds more natural in each case, rather than having one consistent rule. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::::My thoughts exactly. But now we face the challenge of changing pretty much everything to do with weapons on the Wiki to reflect this. There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone, as well. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 13:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::Well, what I can confirm is we cannot be saying the Oblivion, the Oathkeeper, or the Fenrir. Please, none of that. To be honest, it's a minor issue so I don't think it's worth going on a massive spree to change all of them. But it's just those three that are completely wrong.  {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::Again, I completely agree with you. At least those three are an exception to the definite article placement "rule." But look at the Organization XIII weapons. Several of them should be exceptions, too. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 14:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Yup, most probably. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::So I guess it's just a matter of sound appeal when you get right down to it. I'm more than willing to help go through the weapon articles and remove the definite articles where appropriate later today, once my classes are done with. It'll go faster if we split the work. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 14:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Something just sounds wrong about leaving "the" off of Oathkeeper, especially because it's a title, like "Guardian". "The" just sounds more natural to me. also, the fact that pretty much none of the weapons in the series are singular entities -- they're all forms of a weapon, and are often forms shared between wielders. I'm not familiar enough with the rules for definite articles to point to which bylaw it's violating, but it just sounds...wrong.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Which proves ENX's point of "There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone". Put it down to a vote? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
::I personally agree with both of you. At times, the direct article is not needed. But there are certainly plenty of times where it is needed, too, even if a certain weapon fits the category of "direct article not needed." If this is gonna turn into an all-out community discussion, I request that this conversation be continued in a forum (if it hasn't already) :P - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 17:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

==Skype if at all?==
{{TNE|time=17:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)|text=Do you have a Skype handle by any chance? KHW is one of the sites from which I'll be cutting off activity during this Lent, which means userboxing is going to go to a halt. On occasion I will get on Skype, and chances are I might pass my images to whoever would like to help out with Project:Userbox in my absence.

Since you've resumed college I don't know how active you are, but just wondering, you up for it?}}
{{ENX|time=17:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)|text=I have a Skype, yes, but I save it for people I actually know "in real life." If you want to IM and such still, we can revive the Google chatting we used to do back in the old days :P You could e-mail me the images, and I could see what I can do with them, if you would like.}}
{{TNE|time=22:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)|happytext=Sure. I just need to remember how to use it again. troisnyx[at]gmail[dot]com is what I would prefer to use.}}
{{ENX|time=22:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Feel free to e-mail me at any time at tskhmaster13@gmail.com!}}

== Happy Birthday ==

{{TheSilentHero|time=07:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|tlink=I saw on your userpage that today is your birthday, so

Happy Birthday!}}
{{ENX|time=07:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Yes it is! Thanks!}}
{{KrytenKoro|Happy birthday, yo.}}
{{ENX|time=14:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Thanks, Kryten!}}
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=22:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Happy Birthday, ENX!}}
{{neumannz|time=22:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Happys Birthday!}}
Happy Birthday ENX. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Happy birthday friend! :) {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 00:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
{{ENX|time=01:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Thanks guys!}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=HAPPY BIRTHDAY~! :D}}
{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)| normal=Happy Birthday ENX!}}
{{ENX|time=05:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Thanks! :D}}

==Template Size Exceeded==
{{TNE|time=22:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|shocktext=Thought I'd come to let you know about it; perhaps the trophies may need their own page. Don't worry; I keep worrying about the same thing myself because of just how many userboxes there are to choose from...}}
{{ENX|time=22:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|annoyed=Curse you and all the beautiful userboxes you made :P}}
{{TNE|time=22:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|happytext=Oops.... ^_^'}}
{{ENX|time=22:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|laughing=Lol :) Seriously, though, amazing job!}}
{{TNE|time=22:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|remerciement=Thanks mate ^_^ Some of them, I just find so hard to write descriptions for because I know roughly what they're based on, but I just can't put it into English all that well. (As you can probably guess, that's mainly the problem with X[chi].) I do hope Unchained X brings out these Heartless, writes journal entries for them ''and'' gives them some affectionate names.}}
{{ENX|time=22:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|text=You're welcome! :) I do quite enjoy the little descriptions you write. Some are quite good and humorous! Speaking of those, though, I think the Vanitas Remnant and Dustflier need new enemy userboxes, because they are identical to the ones we use for their respective accomplishment ones...The issue is that the descriptions stick out like a sore thumb compared to the other enemy user boxes; we go from "This user has a shocking personality" (Yellow Opera) to "This user has beaten the Vanitas Remnant!"...}}
==About Updating/Improving Userboxes==
{{TNE|time=10:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|text=We'd need TSH's help to move those templates to new ones, and then keep User Dusflier and User Vanitas Remnant as.... well, "This user is ______________". Though I wonder if that decision would sit well with people.}}
{{ENX|time=13:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|text=I don't think there'd be an issue with having two userboxes fro the Dustflier and Vanitas Remnant, one for the accomplishments section on the main userbox page and one for the enemies sub-page. The current userboxes are intended to say "I beat this!", while all the enemy userboxes are meant to say "I like this!". That's my logic for why new userboxes are needed.

As for descriptions, look to the enemies' Journal entires. These usually contain the good/witty descriptions you're looking for! :)}}
{{TNE|time=14:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|happytext=A lot of them do (and I'll admit, a lot of the Unversed ones come from the Reports ^_^) -- but sometimes we've just got to improvise. I haven't played 358 on a DS yet, and until then, I won't be able to relate to a lot of the 358 Heartless unless I try and compare them to their other counterparts...}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=15:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|reyn=Not sure why you need my help to move the templates. If I can do it, everyone should be able to. As for moving those templates, I would name the Dustflier one Template:User Dustflier KHD and remove the Vanitas Remnant one, because we already have [[Template:User A Mere Shell KHBBS|this one]] and it is mostly the same.

Also, ENX, how do you like the Dream Eater userboxes? They are made by me.}}
{{ENX|time=19:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|happy=The Dream Eater userboxes are excellent :) What do you guys think in regards to the accomplishments userboxes on the main userbox page? They're kinda redundant to the Trophies, no? I love the userboxes you two are turning out and feel the other ones on the Wiki (those not made by TNE or TSH on the main userbox page and in all sub-categories) are inferior-looking, thus they should be replaced or removed, if redundant...Thoughts?}}
{{TNE|time=20:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)|happytext=Sorry for breaking the continuity a little, but TSH: Any time is REYN TIME! :DDDDDD

Anyway, back to this. Accomplishments ''may or may not be'' redundant, but I think sometimes they may apply to the original games instead of their HD remakes. If we can make this clear, it'd help. Otherwise... uh... yes, some of the userboxes need redoing (I've a good mind to redo some of the Character ones), and we need some screenshots to fill up the Minigames ones.

Also, for music, I put in a message on the Userboxes/Songs talk page. I need help, and if you and TSH can help me on this, I'd be grateful. Many of these are songs I haven't encountered, so I don't quite know of the context behind them.}}
{{ENX|time=02:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)|text=There's just a painfully obvious difference in quality between the new userboxes you and TSH have been making vs. the ones we've had since, like, 2009 :P The old ones need to be fixed/updated. It's fine that the accomplishment ones are meant to illustrate the pre-HD versions of games, but why not use better images than the sloppy ones we currently are? Basically, I think we should renovate all the boxes so they're on-par with the quote and enemy ones you guys have been making.

I can't necessarily make templates for very long without getting frustrated (I just got a new job entering data for someone at my church for three hours a day everyday, and it's tedious as heck), but I'd be happy to give you context for pieces, TNE. I know ''KH'' like the back of my hand at this point, with the exception of ''KHX'', of course.}}
{{TNE|time=13:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)|text=My fiancé, Seán, understands your pain. Having been a sacristan and filling in data for hours on end, writing bulletins, and trying to keep a crazy priest on a leash, yeah, we can understand the tedium. Don't worry about the template-making, either I or TSH should be able to handle them. As for what goes into the template, I'd be glad for you to give me contexts etc.

Also, I don't want to go through the pain of a Google Search for KH images gone wrong, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone to suffer that same thing *hint hint nudge nudge wink wink*. Yeah, it's not.... pretty....}}
{{ENX|time=13:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)|text=Well, whenever you need contexts, just let me know :)}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=18:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=I'm no expert on music either. Maybe someone from [[Forum:MegaProject: Arise - Project: Music|Project Music]] can help. 

I would keep the old userboxes, even if they're not as awesome as the new ones, because there are already too many red links to userboxes (mostly on pages of users who don't visit the wiki anymore).

The weapon userboxes are a good idea, although they would look better if they had an original quote, instead of "This user is a proud wielder of ____"

Also, I talked to Porple and he increased the template limit by 50%! He did say we should split pages if they ever get as big as that, though.

Maybe we should get people to put these new userboxes on their page. I think we're the only three who use them now...}}
{{TNE|time=18:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)|text=I've actually got a good mind to remaking at least *some* of the Character userboxes, in the vein of the Enemies ones, just so that we won't have red links but we can actually spruce it up a little, ya get my drift?

As for the weapon userboxes, I wonder if a part of the Keyblade description might be useful.

By the way, lovely to hear about the template limit expansion. I don't have to worry ''too'' much about running out again...}}
Excellent that the template size was expanded ''after'' I created a separate page for userboxes :P

I wasn't a part of Project:Music, but I do have a good grasp on when songs play in each ''KH'' game.

As for renovating old templates, it's just a matter of consistency, something I try to push for in all areas of the Wiki. I think we could make ''all'' the userboxes (save for ones like "This user is male" and "This user's native language is English") look a little better since, compared to the new ones, they're an eyesore to me. We could always have a "userbox archive" of sorts to display past versions of the templates...Here's what I mean: this is the present version of the ''KH1'' clear accomplishment userbox...

{{userbox|ghostwhite|cornflowerblue|http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb367/khwiki-official/Game%20Accomplishments/GameAccomplishments-userKH.png|This user defeated [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness|Ansem]] and started the epic story of ''[[Kingdom Hearts (series)|Kingdom Hearts]]''.}}
{{-}}
And here's a new version made by KeybladeSpyMaster, which I like better...
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{{userbox|#112365|#FFFFFF|[[File:KH1_icon.png]]|info-fc=#000000|This user finished <i>[[Kingdom Hearts]]</i> and started the adventure!}}
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Basically it's the accomplishments userboxes on the main userbox page that I feel need updating. As far as the weapons userboxes, that was just a model/example description. I'm not saying we have to use it. Something from the in-game descriptions would be just fine. But we shouldn't be implying that a user ''is'' a weapon, as we do with the enemy userboxes. I feel like the character/music userboxes made by TNE, as far as updates go, such as Riku's userbox and the "Hikari -PlanitB Remix-" userbox, look just fine. It's the ones where the images are low-quality or the descriptions make no sense that I feel need fixing. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 02:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

{{TNE|time=17:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)|text=You've put your thoughts down really well; I think I'd go with just about the same myself:

*Any userboxes with pixellated images get changed, and if there's more than one image on a Character / Form / Quote, we can basically pull off the Userbox Q.
*Video game userboxes go in the style of KSM's.
*Minigame userboxes just need a slight colour update.
*There ''may'' be minigame Qs which may probably deserve a section to themselves (and is probably more fringe, if you ask me) but I've thought of actual direct quotes from those involved in Struggle, so there's the premise behind it.
*The weapons ones can be a bit tricky. Of course don't say "this user is X weapon", although we might jazz it up in some cases.
**Take Space Paranoids for instance: I've taken a very Command Prompt-like theme to it.
**Skill and Crossbones may be done in the way Jack Sparrow speaks (though with his pirate drawl, I'm not sure ''how'' he'd say it). XD  But you see what I mean. Most of them don't need to be jazzed up per se, but I think, where it's due, we could try it.

Am I missing anything else? (Also, thanks for editing that User Goofy thing today; today is very important to Seán and me and we were out for quote a while<!--it marks a year since we got engaged <3-->.}}
{{ENX|time=18:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)|happy=Thanks, TNE! And no problem; congrats to you both! Sounds to me like you have everything covered that you need to for the userboxes as of right now; I love the idea of doing things Userbox Q style!}}

== (Actor) ==

{{Chitalian8|time==01:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)|neku=Yeah, I know that having the actor thing there is annoying, but apparently the template doesn't handle the "Wiki Name<nowiki>|</nowiki>Display name" notation. [[Cloud]] is the same way with Steve Burton. I don't really know the fix, but linking to the actor directly would be better than linking to the disambig, IMHO.}}
{{ENX|time=01:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC)|text=It should, though…see the recent history of [[Kingdom of Corona]] for proper formatting…Unless I'm mistaken…I agree the actor page should be linked to, but the right thing to do here is message someone who can fix the template to cover what is necessary.}}

== Kingdom of Corona misunderstanding ==
Hi I just noticed that their is some misunderstanding here on the edit that was reverted, all I was doing was adding in "Tangled (2010)", since many of the films have the "title" with "(the year of the film's release)" after, I'm very confused since personally I don't see it as repetitive and going against the articles.  Of course, i'm just a simple user and need to create an account, but I only am here just for small edits nothing big nothing to minuscle, I'm not trying to upset the WHOLE MAJORITY of you since you had some past troubles with some users here.--[[Special:Contributions/98.198.217.176|98.198.217.176]] 04:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::You are correct. I noticed my mistake and reverted my edit back to yours. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 04:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)