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| {{Ark|time=06:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)|text=No, not the Keyhole. I originate from the FFWiki.}} | | {{Ark|time=06:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)|text=No, not the Keyhole. I originate from the FFWiki.}} |
| {{KrytenKoro|I don't want to derail the forum by asking it there, but how clear, exactly, is it that a certain person is an op on the IRC? I've never been super-experienced on the IRC, so I'm wondering if the "reflecting badly" thing would only be apparent while the user is opped on the channel, or if your argument is closer to "he should be banned from the channel".}}
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| {{Ark|time=20:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)|text=Whilst, yes, a user with operator rights is most easily visible when they are OP'd, the information is always visible on the channel Access List - any user with the +o flag is a channel operator. <abbr title="Well, there is a way to hide it, but it is rarely used and also hides the list from normal operators"><font color=#696969>Any user can view the Access List</font></abbr>, and operators are generally viewed as the 'officials' of the channel. As the channel is in 'Primary' # namespace (official) rather than 'Topical' ## namespace (unofficial) according to freenode's policies, it can be considered an extension of the wiki.
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| I would personally not favour a ban; I generally prefer to use quiets rather than bans and I don't think that either is warranted here. It really depends on how rigidly you want to enforce the channel rules.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|I was more trying to get at whether you're saying that Erry's behavior while opped "dishonors" us, or if it's his behavior whenever he's on the channel.}}
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| {{Ark|time=22:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)|text=I would say that 'dishonour' is a little too strong; the concept of honour is largely a matter of personal interpretation. It is more to do with a lack of maturity and professionalism. I feel that an operator should continue to behave sensibly, affably and decorously even when not OP'd on the channel; ErryK does not have a good history there. As I have previously said, I consider ErryK's behaviour and temperament inappropriate for someone entrusted with operator rights. Of course, I merely present my own opinion; it is ultimately up to you, the Admins, to decide how strictly you feel that an operator should adhere to your channel's rules and, indeed, simple decorum and whether or not you feel that they should continue to do so when not OP'd.}}
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