Editing Template talk:InfoKeyKHX

Wait, do you really understand how these Keyblade Bonuses in KHX work? The "Bonuses" are for the '''position''' of the three cards when you draw them from the deck. Then if the Type of the card in a slot matches the "slot bonus", that card will have multiplied (by the bonus number) attack power. So, the first slot doesn't need to be "power" and so all the slots. For example, Treasure Trove's   Power-type bonus is for the third slot, not the first slot. Please fix that. {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 11:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
:Oh, I was really thinking that it was something like that, but wasn't sure. That's why Lady Luck has two Speed bonuses. Then I know how to make it. But the coding will become a little bigger, since I have to make variables for each level of the Keyblade. I will use SlotA/B/C for the type of card that receives the bonus in each Slot, and Bonus/A/B/C for the bonus of each slot. 
I'm also cropping some cards, so maybe I will crop the symbols of each type to incorporate them in the template, as well as picking the Keychains of the ones I have. And I think the KHχ Keyblades are different because, as said in the monologue, they are "incomplete versions" that need the Cards to release their powers. ''"So, now, about that Keyblade, yours is the same because it is in an incomplete state, it needs “something” in order for it to draw its power."'' Thanks for the tip, Pea!!! - {{#if:
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::The template should take the item names as input and output the pictures, but linked to the item's page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:57, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

==Needs an update==
This template really needs to change a lot to be useful again. I'm really bad with templates so if anyone more versed could look into it that be appreciated:
#The Keyblades change their appearances every 10 levels (0-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40) so I think we should tab them like this in the Re:coded manner.
#The stats would be listed as a table, it's important to note that the initial appearance (without any "+") also has stats, so it would be 11 rows for the first tab and only 10 after that.
#The stats are the three attack modifiers (different for every Keyblade, includes "Power", "Speed", "Magic" or is blank, meaning it's just x1.0) and the "Keyblade Bonus" (有効キーブレードボーナス) which is a additional damage output that is added if the current Raid Boss is weak against that Keyblade. And then there is also the "EX Card Bonus" which doesn't change but is different for every Keyblade, it basically just shows the order of Reverse and Upright cards that has to be achieved to get another attack bonus.
#I'm not sure how the recipes should be integrated but I think the template is not the right place, they should be probably just listed on the Keyblade's page, maybe even tabbed because there's is one for every level, meaning 40 at the moment.
#An overview can be found [http://wikiwiki.jp/khx/?%A5%AD%A1%BC%A5%D6%A5%EC%A1%BC%A5%C9 here], the recipes can be found on the individual pages such as [http://wikiwiki.jp/khx/?%A5%AD%A1%BC%A5%D6%A5%EC%A1%BC%A5%C9%2F%A5%ED%A5%C3%A5%AF%A5%B9%A5%D7%A5%EC%A5%F3%A5%C0%A1%BC here]. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 09:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{TheSilentHero|time=19:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)|ike=I made a draft [[User:TheSilentHero/Zandbak|here]] (tested [[User:TheSilentHero/Sandbox|here]]). Is that what you had in mind?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=21:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)|talk=This is exactly what I had in mind, great work:-)<br>
Could you implement the little Ex Card icons I just uploaded somehow? I also have the icons for power/speed/magic if needed or wanted but I think it's fine as it is.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=07:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|happy=I'm glad you like it. I'd like to see how those icons will look, so could you please upload them for me?<br><br>Edit: Implemented the Ex Card Icons. Something like this?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=18:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|talk=This looks great, I think it's ready to go. I uploaded the three attack icons if you'd like to use them too.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=18:35, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|ike=Added the icons. I think it looks better with them. What do you think?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=18:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|talk=Man you'e fast and yes it does:-) Just another tiny thing: Could you add a bit space in between the EX Card Bonus cards?}}
{{TheSilentHero|time={{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|text=Like that?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=18:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|talk=Yes, now it's perfect.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=18:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|text=Can you move it?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=19:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)|talk=Moving to an already existing page requires to delete the old page first and I apparently I don't have the rights to merge the histories, maybe Neumannz has.}}

== New placement of japanese ==

{{TheSilentHero|time=17:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=So I changed the location of the kana, romaji and japname in the infobox, to make it like Template:Enemy. The reason for this is that the kana is now in the infobox and in the nihongo template, which is double. However, the romaji is only in the nihongo and due to the keychain images, there may not be enough room for it next to the kana. Can I change this in the other Keyblade infoboxes as well, or does someone disagree?

Also, should we create a Keyblade navbox for the Player's Keyblades in KHχ?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Sure. Also, can we modify the KHX infobox so that all the upgrades have "obtained" (see the Re:coded Keyblades for format), and maybe replace the +0 with a blank line on each upgrade so things don't shift around?}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=20:33, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|robin=The Recoded userbox has the obtainment for each upgrade. What should we do here: The recipe for the first upgrade (+11, +21, etc.), or the same as the base Keyblade?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Can you upgrade straight from +0 to +11, or so on? If not, it would probably be best to use whatever the blanket term is. "Card synthesis upgrade", or something?}}
Is there an official name for that? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:01, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
:It's called キーブレード強化, the red button that does the trick is labeled 強化する. You can't skip (or combine) upgrades but there is also no other restriction if you have all materials, then you simply have to click the button 43 times to get to the maximum level. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
:"Keyblade Enhancement" (or poss. "Keyblade Reinforcement", but I get a slightly clunky vibe off that one. I dunno, maybe the aesthetic of how they do it makes more sense for it to be reinforcement). Shard, which of those feels more accurate to you?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
::Maybe "Keyblade Strengthening"? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:05, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Nah, that one sounds even worse to me.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Enhancement does sound less clunky than strengthening and reinforcement, lets go with this. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
::::Okay. Also, to clarify, I disliked "Strengthening" and "Reinforcement" because those two words have connotations of "Strength" and "Defense", when to my understanding the upgrading improvess all stats of the Keyblade, not just one.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I made a draft [[User talk:TheSilentHero/Zandbak|here]]. What do you think? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
:I like it:D I also just rembered that sometimes KHX uses English phrases, like when leveling up a card ("Exp Up!!), drawing a card ("Card Get!!) and even enhancing the Keyblade ("[http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/ShardofTruth/KHX/Grade%20Up%20KHX.png Grade Up!!]"), that's why I named the images upgrades in the first place. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

==Divine Rose==
None of the stat conditions apply to Divine Rose, would it be possible to check the "Keyblade Bonus" instead, this one changes more often. I would do it myself but I probably would break something important in the process. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. What stat conditions? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::I'm not really sure how the template decides when to display stats and when not because even though I filled in all details for Divine Rose nothing is displayed. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Could you save it to the page, so I can see why it isn't showing? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::I already did;-) --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For some reason, I missed that. Anyways, as you can read in the Notes on the template page, the 11th, 21st and 31st parameters always need to be present, as well as all parameters form +41 and above. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:28, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::What's our reasoning for that?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The 11, 21, and 31 work as a switch for which tab to show and also save coding, so the template doesn't have to check all previous parameters. The 41 and up thing was added because the data for these levels was unknown at the time, but we could change it now. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry, I totally missed the instruction. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 22:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::What I mean is, why can't we code those tabs so that they are only triggered by the parameter for their own tab, as we do with Enemy?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I think I see what you mean, but the whole point of a template is to make the coding easier on the user side. We shouldn't be offloading work to them so that we don't have to code the template as robustly. I've made some changes to the template (and will try to finish them, but the concept is pretty obvious if anyone wants to do it first), is there anything that it breaks that I'm not seeing?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::The Lady Luck Upgrade 3 is skipped now, the rest seems to be working. It would be great if the upgrades for Level 44-46 could be included as well. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Done. Now the KB11, KB31, and KB41 parameters make the tabs show up. (This may mean you have to duplicate these values, but there are only three and the Keyblade Bonus usually changes between levels). I also included the levels 44-46. If any of the stats for these are still unknown, be sure to give them a value of "???", so we know which ones don't have the stats yet. (There might be some stats missing for levels 41-43, so it would be best to check those, too.) {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 10:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Assuming that there are no Keyblades that have a straight 10-level streak of constant Keyblade Bonus, the template will now show tabs without having to use any "filler" parameters.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

==Moogle of Glory==
The Moogle of Glory is an extremely overpowered event Keyblade that originally was most likely never intended to be leveled this high, that's why the upgrades take place at level 11 (like the rest), level 26 and finally level 40. During the Anniversary event it was only possible to upgrade to level 30 that's probably why the the second upgrade appears somewhere in the middle. The first Moogle of Glory event addeded level 31-40 and the third form change at the last level while the current second Moogle of Glory events adds level 41 to 46 but surprisingly no form change at all. I'm not sure what can be done about this mess, uploading the third form Keychain and Keyblade again is probably the best idea.<br>
Also, the first stat row for Starlight and Lady Luck don't appear on the pages anymore, I'm not sure what the problem is here. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'll modify the template so we can just use the 3rd form images on the last tab. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:EDIT: Apparently, the coding for that was already in the template. I also fixed the problem of the first stat row. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::That was super fast, thanks :D --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Since it doesn't form change at the same levels as other Keyblades, it might be more parsimonious to simply create a special infobox just for the Moogle of Glory that organizes the levels by form change. I'll mock one up, though by nature it will look less regular than the others.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
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 == New placement of japanese ==
-{{TheSilentHero|time=17:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=So I changed the location of the kana, romaji and jpname in the infobox, to make it like Template:Enemy. The reason for this is that the kana is now in the infobox and in the nihongo template, which is double. However, the romaji is only in the nihongo and due to the keychain images, there may not be enough room for it next to the kana. Can I change this in the other Keyblade infoboxes as well, or does someone disagree?
+{{TheSilentHero|time=17:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=So I changed the location of the kana, romaji and japname in the infobox, to make it like Template:Enemy. The reason for this is that the kana is now in the infobox and in the nihongo template, which is double. However, the romaji is only in the nihongo and due to the keychain images, there may not be enough room for it next to the kana. Can I change this in the other Keyblade infoboxes as well, or does someone disagree?
 Also, should we create a Keyblade navbox for the Player's Keyblades in KHχ?}}
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 ::That was super fast, thanks :D --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 :::Since it doesn't form change at the same levels as other Keyblades, it might be more parsimonious to simply create a special infobox just for the Moogle of Glory that organizes the levels by form change. I'll mock one up, though by nature it will look less regular than the others.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
-::::I've added it to the Moogle of Glory page, how does it look?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::::The only thing not working is that the Power/Speed/Magic symbol should appear in the last tab (40+) for the second slot, other than that it looks great. The recipe list gets a bit long this way though. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:37, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
-::::::I'm not sure how to make it show up, actually.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:25, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::::::Fixed it! {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 23:33, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
-== +50 ==
-Shouldn't that be on a separate tab?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
-:Well, that would make +50 the only level in the tab, and since the keychains are the exact same, I thought it would be better to do it like this. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:33, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
-::Eh, but it's another upgrade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:54, 23 April 2016 (UTC)