Editing Talk:Zack

==Well damn==
First FF cameo we had in years.. This was quite an eye-opener for me, literally. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 14:14, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it's about time we had more FF cameos:D.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 15:12, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Zack is awesome![[User:Faythoffenrir|FaythOfFenrir]] 15:20, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Now give us more FFVI and an FFIV character and I'll be happy [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 17:02, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Zack is the best FF character. He better not be in this game JUST to replace Cloud. BTW he's is the best. [[User:No 3 Xaldin|No 3 Xaldin]] 21:34, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Not the best, just decent [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 21:33, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:ST|time=17:28, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yay!!!!!! Zack!!!!!! This is AWESOME!!!!!! Wait, do ya think we're going to see him die in this?}}

{{Maggosh|text=Not unless he has the Buster Sword. I see his SOLDIER issue sword, so unless we see Angeal in this, it ain't gonna happen.}}
{{Template:ST|time=19:41, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Dude, since when have they done things the same way as the original}} 
{{MM841|18:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|here's the full scan, if you have nto saw it. [http://www.khdestiny.fr/img/Autres/news/021209-bbs-scan2.jpg]. <br>'''EDIT:''' Kairi's in it.}}

{{yer mom|time=19:22, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=And so is Mickey with his Fantasia clothes as D-link >.>}}
:Dude wtf is with his waist—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 19:38, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=@ST: Well, sure, but wouldn't it be interesting to see that sort of transition?}}

{{Template:LapisScarab|time=21:32, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Urutapu, I was thinking exactly the same thing, along with "Dude, wtf is up with his legs". Maybe they wanted him to fit with the ''Hercules'' style.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Yeah, because that's obviously what they did with Cloud. OH WAIT.}}

{{Template:LapisScarab|time=21:57, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=1) I never mentioned Cloud. 2) Zack is the only one who is designed like that. All the other Final Fantasy characters are realistically proportioned and having Zack match the ''Hercules'' artwork is the only reason I can think of to explain why he is not. The attitude wasn't necessary.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I'm so glad Zack is in this! I can't wait to see him! Lapis-kun, can you do the apperance section? I think you can do better.}}
{{Template:LapisScarab|time=22:48, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Okay, done, and I'm excited that Zack is in this too! Though, to be honest, I'd have been glad just to see ''any'' Final Fantasy character show up again.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Thank you.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Whoa, whoa, Lapis, don't go Shanghai on me!}}
{{Template:LapisScarab|time=23:47, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Was your earlier comment just a joke? Sorry man, my bad, guess I didn't catch that.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Yeah, it kinda was.}}
{{BebopKate|time=03:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I saw the article in recent edits, and here I was all, "Whose creating this fan stuff again?"  And then I ''read'' the article and got served. ^_^}}

Is it just me who realize that Olympus Coliseum shows badass ff characters? First Cloud, then Auron, now Zack???
What's next? Balthier?
Balthier....or Basch and Gabranth. :D

{{NinjaSheik|text=I was thinking more like...Vincent Valentine? In fanfics that centers around "Kingdom Hearts II" people always put Vincent in the Olympus Coliseum, thinking he would make a pact with Hades to bring back his old love, Lucrecia Crescent. I hope Vincent is going to be in KH3.}}

{{NitrousX|xmas=I thought the same thing, BebopKate.}}
@Kaihedge-Yep put some ff characters from those games or rinoa and bartz and square will have my gratidute(cuz rinoa and bartz are my favorite ff characters) Firaga44 23:05, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

== Sephiroth ==

{{Xemwath|text=If Sephiroth is in this, do you think he's going to be evil or not?  If he is not evil, then maybe we can use him as a D-Link!}}
{{Firaga44|text=If he's in Birth By Sleep I think he's gonna be evil.}}
{{Template:LapisScarab|time=[[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 23:45, December 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Maybe not. Judging from Zack's outfit, the story may follow Crisis Core, and if that's so Sephiroth could be an ally in the beginning.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I like Sephiroth when he's nice, and he have a sense of humor. Crisis Core was the only game that show that he was a good person with his friends, Zack's mentor, Angeal, and Genisis Raspody.}}
{{XionXIV|time=04:42, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|hooded=...How can Sephiroth be nice in BBS? I mean,he is just really...Well,i can't describe him.But I do think just a LITTLE bit that he could have been good. Everyone is good at least once,right?}}
{{LapisScarab|time=04:46, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=He was a good, if cold person in ''Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-'' (at least before he found out his mother was an alien and went nuts). If BBS takes inspiration from that, it isn't far-fetched at all that Sephiroth could be an ally.}}
{{XionXIV|time=04:48, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|hooded=...Coolio.}}

== Expect ==
* Seiyuu: Kenichi Suzumura
* VA: Rick Gomez
* Role: Wants to be a hero.
* World Storyline: Similar to Crisis Core (With Sephiroth, Cloud, & Tifa).
[[Special:Contributions/72.184.129.252|72.184.129.252]] 23:18, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think so, too.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 23:19, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

== Other Details ==
Zack's Sword and stomach guard are still branded with the Shinra Logo.
When Zack is Summoned via D-Link, he uses Materia-based attacks.

You confused Shinra with SOLDIER [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 07:24, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

SOLDIER is a part of Shinra, you know [[User:HarpieSiren|HarpieSiren]] 08:06, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

They have separate logos though. Tryin' to be specific here. Shinra isn't mentioned in KH anyway [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

{{MC|time= oh life...--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:11, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text= Let's Get this done! SOLDIER '''IS''' part of shinra but he ment by '''Shinra Logo'''
which is The SOLDIER logo understand? oh and it is referenced in KH cause of Cloud's Belt =)}}


*SOLDIER - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:SOLDIER_Logo.jpg
*Shinra - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Shin-ra_logo.jpg

Need I say more? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:14, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

{{MC|time= --[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=and thanks i got A LOT of edit conflicts... we made this users Talk Page.... The #1 Edit Hot Spot.... (oh brother..)}}

SOLDIER has been mentioned in Cloud's entries in Jiminy's Journal, before. Which doesn't really make all that much sense. Considering that A: Cloud wasn't in SOLDIER and B: It's an alternate universe so the stuff that happened in FFVII didn't happen in KH. [[User:HarpieSiren|HarpieSiren]] 08:19, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they'll be trying to figure out why Jiminy has the word "SOLDIER" in his journal for cloud. Wouldn't be surprised if that showed up in whatever that game is they're making for the cell phone. Which, honestly, I won't get.--[[User:Pkthis|Pkthis]] 23:33, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

==And now for a lame pun==
Zack is the seventh FFVII character to make an appearance in the KH series [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 01:25, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Body Praportions ==

"is it me or dose he seem to be WAY thinner than normal?

in the sceen with him and Terra, his waste is like a womans.

my Theory is that Zacks design is to make it look like hes origonaly from the same world as Hrec.

you know, make it so in KH Hercs home world could be Zacks home world, his outfit is also an indication to make me think so, maybe hes a student under Phil.

its posssable that Zack and Phil may have the same friendship and conections as Zack and angeal had in FF7:Crisis Core.

but again its all just a theory of mine

~Ixbran"

I think so, too, about Zack and Phil's relationship. I'm hoping that Phil will call him "Zack the Puppy". Zero attention span, and reckless as a puppy. Tee hee hee!--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 02:56, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, making him look ''Hercules''-esque is obviously the intent. Just look at his legs. The problem is his head is still Finally Fantastic and looks out of place as hell.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 03:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

It's not that bad.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 04:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

==Cloud's Search +==
{{EO|time=23:13, December 7, 2009 (UTC)|text=We all know by "I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help.", that Cloud meant Sephiroth. If BBS does follow Crisis Core (I find this extremely unlikely), is it possible that he meant Zack? If so, what became of him, and wouldn't Cloud appear as a 13 year-old version (He's 24 or whatever in KH1, so do the math. Also remember Zack is older in CC, so he'd basically be about 15 or something)?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I'm sure he meant Sephiroth. If it does Crisis Core, which I'm pretty sure they don't, then shouldn't Zack be...Uh, you know...Dead? Well, this took years before the game, so mostly likely Zack could die in BBS.}}
{{Maggosh|text=And shouldn't Aerith be dead as well? KH has changed the FF timeline before; I wouldn't be surprised if Zack is still alive around KHI.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=He was 22 in KH1, so he'd be 12, which would make Zack about 13. And KH has never followed the FF canon ''that'' directly, we shouldn't expect it to start now.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I thought so, too. I was hoping to see Zack in KHIII.}}

== Why is zack classified under the "Characters from an unknown world" Catigory? ==

i think its pretty obvious that Olympus Collosieum is Zacks home world in KH:BbS.

*his body praportions are on par with the characters from that world, his ears even have that swirl design in them like young Herc in BbS

*hes dressed the same as the other characters from that world.

*also take into account that even though they are from other games, Aerith, Yuffie and Cid, from FF7, share the same Home world with Squall, from FF8. whare as Cloud, Tifa and Sephiroth are from a compleatly difrent world all together.


I personaly dont see anything wrong with a FF character whos home world in KH is a disney World, i mean KH is suposed to be about fusing Disney and FF into one. So the very idea of a FF character whos home world is a disney world shouldent be all that hard to accept

Or are there some people who just hate the very idea of it, and are in denial about Zacks home world being Olympus Collosieum?

im not trying to start a fight or anything, but i just wanted to know why Zack is under the "Characters from an unknown world" Catigory, when its obvious, to me, hes origonaly from Olympus Collosieum, or am i missing something?

~ Ixbran

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=First of all, it's "PROPORTIONS". Secondly, Cloud ''is'' from Radiant Garden, Nomura has said so. And as for the question at hand, it's not that we "hate the idea" and are "in denial." See, while it's ''extremely likely'' that he's a resident of the Olympus Coliseum, we won't really know ''until the game is out.'' We really shouldn't assume anything till then.
ETA: And this is a wiki. If you think it's wrong then fix it, the worse that can happen is that someone will correct you.}}

Or ban you. Don't forget that.--[[Special:Contributions/71.116.53.127|71.116.53.127]] 20:28, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

{{Xienzo|time=23:24, December 12, 2009 (UTC)|text=He's got you there.}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= True, but as long as people use their brain when editing it, that shouldn't be a problem}}

{{NitrousX|xmastext=Speaking of this, since Zack's homeworld hasn't been '''confirmed''' should we change the infobox's homeworld part back to "Unknown"?}}

{{maggosh|text=That would be a good idea. And if we're doing that, we should move it to "Other Residences".}}

{{GS|time=22:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=To be honest, his home world should be treated as Olympus Coliseum until it's stated as otherwise in the game.  With the way we have it now, it's making it look as if we're absolutely sure that he's not from Olympus Coliseum.  The only place we've seen him at is Olympus Coliseum, in Olympus Coliseum styled clothing, so why should we support the fact that he doesn't live there more than the fact that he does?}}

i think its 100% safe to say that Olympus Coliseum is his home world. I mean the Events of BbS take place before Xehanort was an apprentice of Ansem. and it was Xehanort who destroyed the barriers around the worlds that kept them separated. during BbS the only way to travel to different worlds is by those portals of light, which can only be accessed by Keyblade wielders. and its obvious Zack dose not have a keyblade, combined with the fact that Zacks design mimics that of those who are native to Olympus Coliseum. [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] 23:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

== Only FF character? ==

Were did you get that information. (And what about Moogles?) [[User:Faythoffenrir|FaythOfFenrir]] 17:44, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Check www.kh13.com and read the Nomura interview, moogles and Zack are the only FF part in the game. Squall and Cloud were supposed to have a backstory in the game, but there was already too much story involved, so they dropped the idea.--[[User:Ataradesu|Ataradesu]] 18:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
==New trivia piece==
Someone needs to add in Zack bein' the second FF character to appear in the series with his own theme [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 03:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

== I need help ==

Hey darkstar16 here I tryed puting a video in zack's page but a part of the page is gone can you help me thinks

== Fate ==

{{NitrousX|text=Okay, the answer will probably be a spoiler, just for a warning to other users. Does anyone know what Zack's fate is? I read the feather-thing, but I just don't get it. Is he still alive?}}
:Well, we don't know. That's the last thing we see of him.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 16:08, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
{{KKD|time=16:34, January 16, 2010 (UTC)|sora=I've got it! this is my interpretation, but sephiroth comes and kills zack or something, which gives cloud a reason to show up in KHI, looking for vengeance against Sephiroth for killikg his friend. Don't black feathers usually symbolize sephiroth? But then... how would cloud have gotten the Buster Sword? KH totally messes up the FF universe within it. Aerith is alive, Cloud has the buster sword for no apparent reason, etc.}}

{{LOMI|Burn=I'm sure all will be explained in due time. But yes, I'd guess Sephiroth, considering it's two ''black'' feathers}}

{{NitrousX|talktext=Ooh, I'm confused now. I've never played a single FF game, so I don't know about that. Xabryn suggested I watch the videos, I might do that...}}

Zack doesn't own the Buster Sword in KH, so it's fine. The Buster Sword is probably just cool in this continuity and not a "warrior's legacy" type thing like it is in Compilation of FFVII.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 20:28, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
{{Saxisai|time=[[User:Saxisai|Saxisai]] 20:31, January 16, 2010 (UTC)|perry=the thing about this is, in the KH Universe, Sephiroth's feathers have blue tint to them, but these feathers were pure black...which could mean Genesis is introduced into the KH Universe for a split second...}}
{{KKD|time=20:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)|sora=That's possible, I guess... Saxisai: Perry The Platypus? WTH?}}

{{Mrsaxel
|time =  4:35pm
|text = Well, you know, Sephiroth was supposed to be the darkness in Cloud's heart, right? Maybe (this is all speculation and will most likely be wrong), Cloud knew Zack and maybe Could inadvertenly did something that involved Sephiroth that led to Zack's death...? Haha. Sorry-- I don't know the FF stories. Zack's probably going to be alive and I'll be rambling on for nothing. :D I just feel like it would make sense that Cloud would want to defeat Sephiroth to get rid of his guilt once and for all.
}}
{{KrytenKoro|Well, Zack was the one using darkness. Maybe in the KH universe, Zack ''is'' Sephiroth.}}
{{NitrousX|text=Well that would be quite interesting. Good theory.}}

{{Faythoffenrir|time=01:13, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Anyone have a video of this part? Maybe it would make more sense if we saw it. Also, as a Final Fantasy fan, this kind of sounds like what happened with Zack's death in Crisis Core, only the feathers were Angeal's and were white.}}

{{NitrousX|text=You can see it [[Talk:X-Blade|here]], at the bottom of the page, at the bottom of Xiggie's message.}}

I just want to say that I have no problem with Kingdom Hearts messing with the stories of Final Fantasy stories because Kingdom Hearts is an originaly series, not a spinoff of Final Fantasy. The same goes for Disney. So I think we just should be happy that we have someone as cool as Zack, and I'm pretty sure they won't do much to elaborate on the plot of Zack in the same way they haven't elaborated on the plot of Cloud. [[Special:Contributions/69.178.248.181|69.178.248.181]] 01:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

That and they aready have their own games, so we shouldn't rely on Kingdom Hearts to base a huge plotline around minor characters that already have their own backgrounds.[[Special:Contributions/69.178.248.181|69.178.248.181]] 01:38, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

==The Black Feather, Sephiroth or Sephirnot?==
Alright. Now why does everyone have to think that the black feather isn't Sephiroth's? [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 2:55 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:01, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Two reasons:1 It might belong to Genesis Rapsody (I think thats his name?) and 2 It hasn't been confirmed, so it has no place on the wiki. Done and done.}}

:@Kingdom zachdawg, Not done, and not done by a long shot! What makes you think it belongs to Genesis? He isn't even in the game. [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:05 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

I too also believe it could be Sephiroth, but until it is confirmed we cannot add that to the article. This wiki has a no speculation policy. Also, proof is indeed needed to back up such an acqusation.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 23:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

:@Xion4ever, You don't need confirmation about a piece of wing that came from only one character, and one character only. [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:08 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. If it isn't confirmed that the feather is from Sephiroth, then no matter how likely it may be it cannot be in the article. It is not '''''confirmed''''' that the feather is his. ''Everything'' needs to be confirmed, Werehog. By the way someone erased this comment earlier.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Who knows...Maybe one day he will.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 23:08, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:09, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=WE actually think it might be Seph's, but it hasn't been confirmed. And so what if Genesis aint in the game? Zack wasn't in the series till BBS}}

:@NinjaSheik, But Zach is an original. Genesis is not. Sephiroth is all the proof you need to know who's feather that currently is. [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:13 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=I second that, Xion. If it's not confirmed, it has no place on the wiki. I've learned that. If you continue this, you may get a warning.}}

:@Kingdom zachdawg, I don't second that. You don't need confirmation for Sephiroth's wing! [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:17 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

{{KKD|time=23:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|sora=Well, I think it's Sephiroth's. 1. Sephiroth killing Zack gives Cloud a reason to try and find him in KHI and II. 2. Sephiroth has a ''whole wing'' of black feathers, they're most likely his.}}

Wait a minute! We don't even know if Zack's dead in KH.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 23:15, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

The why is Cloud chasing Sephiroth? [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:18 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)

{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:16, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=KKD, it doesn't matter. If it aint confirmed, it can't be put on the wiki. We've already said this.}}

'''Enough''' of this. This is getting dangerously close to edit warring. If that happens, warnings and such could/would be handed out; we don't want or need that. Also, I too believe it is Sephiroth, but until we have actual, confirmed proof we cannot add it into the article. Sorry, but this wiki has a no speculation rule; even if we're sure its Sephiroth, we cannot add it into the article until it is confirmed.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 23:18, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:23, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Seconded. There will be no edit wars. Let's just try and put this behind us}}

{{KKD|time=00:24, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|saix=I understand that it's not confirmed. I know we can't put it on the wiki. I'm not stupid, and I know what I'm doing, KZD. I haven't even edited it to say that it is Sephiroth, it's all Werehog21's doing. I was never trying to prove that it was Sephiroth, I was simply expressing my opinion on the matter.}}

{{Kingdom  zachdawg|time=01:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=@ KKD Well, ok then. I didn't mean it that way, I just wanted to make my point clear. Also to everyone else, this whole matter is ''closed.''}}

== Theme ==

In the trivia section, who was the other FF character to have a theme? I'm thinking [[Squall]], but I'm not sure. [[User:The Yoshiman 97|The Yoshiman 97]] 03:44, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Sephiroth is probably being referred to.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 05:12, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

== Odd question ==

How does he get his hair in that helmet? [[Special:Contributions/66.215.21.80|66.215.21.80]] 23:09, June 3, 2010 (UTC)