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| I really don't think that his spirit went on to Terra and then Terra then lost his memory and ended up in Radiant Garden, where all he could remember was his possessor's name. It makes no sense that he has a Nobody and a Heartless yet he still appears in Kh2 final mix, i would belive that his apprentice would most likely be him [[User:Saxor|Saxor]] 06:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC) | | I really don't think that his spirit went on to Terra and then Terra then lost his memory and ended up in Radiant Garden, where all he could remember was his possessor's name. It makes no sense that he has a Nobody and a Heartless yet he still appears in Kh2 final mix, i would belive that his apprentice would most likely be him [[User:Saxor|Saxor]] 06:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| I found this picture that shows the similarities between Master Xehanort and Xehanort's heartless: <!--[[File:Xehanortmasteryu6.jpg]]--> | | I found this picture that shows the similarities between Master Xehanort and Xehanort's heartless: [[File:Xehanortmasteryu6.jpg]] |
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| {{EO|time=20:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'd side with that. Wow guys, just wow. We've let the speculation thing stay this long >_>}} | | {{EO|time=20:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'd side with that. Wow guys, just wow. We've let the speculation thing stay this long >_>}} |
| {{yer mom|time=20:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yeah I'm just moving it, since it's ridculous}} | | {{yer mom|time=20:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yeah I'm just moving it, since it's ridculous}} |
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| Wait a second wheres the proof that man and Master Xehanort are the same? I mean Riku didn't said in what year that the myteroius man leave? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:56, January 20, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | | Wait a second wheres the proof that man and Master Xehanort are the same? I mean Riku didn't said in what year that the myteroius man leave? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:56, January 20, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 |
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| <!--[[:File:YoungMasterXehanort.JPG|Sure looks like a younger (Master) Xehanort]]-->. Here's the scene - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGqehqfm0A. As Riku stands there, Terra sees the guy Riku mentions as Riku himself, then Riku turns and looks like his KH2 self, and finally he looks like young Riku again. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku Kuroofangu]] 03:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
| | [[:File:YoungMasterXehanort.JPG|Sure looks like a younger (Master) Xehanort]]. Here's the scene - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGqehqfm0A. As Riku stands there, Terra sees the guy Riku mentions as Riku himself, then Riku turns and looks like his KH2 self, and finally he looks like young Riku again. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku Kuroofangu]] 03:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC) |
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| I got this from a print screen, it still shows his back but not as close as the one before. maybe if you guys like it you can replace it. but it's just a suggestion though <!--[[File:Young MX.jpg|thumb]]--> | | I got this from a print screen, it still shows his back but not as close as the one before. maybe if you guys like it you can replace it. but it's just a suggestion though [[File:Young MX.jpg|thumb]] |
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| {{Maggosh|text=I'll do you one better.<br>[[File:Young MX Full.png|thumb|left]]}} | | {{Maggosh|text=I'll do you one better.<br>[[File:Young MX Full.png|thumb|left]]}} |
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| File:Master Xehanort (Young) KHBBS.png|Master Xehanort in his youth. | | File:Master Xehanort (Young) KHBBS.png|Master Xehanort in his youth. |
| File:Young MX Full.png|Master Xehanort, seen from behind while in his youth, on Destiny Islands. | | File:Young MX Full.png|Master Xehanort, seen from behind while in his youth, on Destiny Islands. |
| File:Birth by Sleep 10 KHIIFM.png|Master Xehanort summoning Kingdom Hearts in the [[Birth by sleep (video)|secret ending]] | | File:Kingdom Hearts 02 KHBBS.png|Master Xehanort summoning Kingdom Hearts in the [[Birth by sleep (video)|secret ending]] |
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| A better way to put it: The mysterious man who has the form of young master xehanort is the mysterious man from bbs. Young Master Xehanort in DDD will not be the same YMX as the one from bbs such as how Roxas and Ven aren't the same person. [[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] 15:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC) | | A better way to put it: The mysterious man who has the form of young master xehanort is the mysterious man from bbs. Young Master Xehanort in DDD will not be the same YMX as the one from bbs such as how Roxas and Ven aren't the same person. [[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] 15:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC) |
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| That seems plausible. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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| I would say this should be on a [[Forum:Index|forum]]--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 20:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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| == Young English VA Improperly Sourced ==
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| As I said in the edit summary, the vid is from 2012, and David Gallagher says he provides the voice of a young Xehanort in a game that isn't out yet. It may of course still be him doing the brief young MX scene in BBS, but using that vid as a source for it is incorrect. [[Special:Contributions/174.88.14.63|174.88.14.63]] 05:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :He probably either got his facts wrong or he misspoke. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 06:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :Regardless of the exact game he was referring to, he said he voiced young Xehanort. A young Xehanort is a young Xehanort, and I'm kind of feeling that we should merge the two articles anyway, unless the young's ''exact'' nature (he's basically a Heartless, is that right?) is a stumbling block.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::"He probably either got his facts wrong or he misspoke." - And who are we to decide that? If we're going to start twisting what he said and assuming he meant something else, how do we know he didn't mean "I voice Master Xehanort and they just credited Leonard Nimoy as the VA to get people interested".
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| ::"Regardless of the exact game he was referring to, he said he voiced young Xehanort. A young Xehanort is a young Xehanort" - Um, no. It isn't right to apply statements made about one game to another, especially concerning voice acting in this series. After all, if the KH series does one thing, it's always use the same voice actors for the same characters between games, right? [[Special:Contributions/174.88.14.63|174.88.14.63]] 16:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :...instead of getting snarky, please review what is actually stated on the page: that David Gallagher voiced Xehanort (young), fullstop. You are the only one making any claims about what game he voiced the young Xehanort in. All we (and the article) are saying is what he said: that he voiced the young Xehanort. Please read more carefully next time, before making false accusations against other editors.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Apologies, I misread, I assumed that as the Nimoy credit has a tag that the tag also referred to the secondary VA. I was consumed and mistaken, sorry. I'll also note that VA debates on upcoming games are something of my berserk button and I got carried away, I'm aware that doesn't excuse my behavior though. [[Special:Contributions/174.88.14.63|174.88.14.63]] 19:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::'s fine, 's fine, we certainly appreciate your dedication to making sure the facts are right. Hell, I embarass myself doing way worse every month.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ==My critique==
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| {{EO|time=01:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)|text=My critique:
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| *The ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance'' sub-heading should be moved from "Other Appearances" and into a "Story" section. The story should also cover a ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep'' section, since his appearance in the game is within the story's canon. If we're making this a more ''KH3D''-driven article rather than relevant to every appearance of the character, we may wish to consider simply putting ''BBS'' under "Other Appearances."
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| *Remove the hooded render from ''BBSFM'' from the gallery and create a Game:Unknown article in which we would feature the image and all strategies for the boss fight in ''BBS''. Obviously, ''KH3D'' boss information would be added if applicable.
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| {{KrytenKoro|That's not what "Other appearances" is for. It's for non-canon but in-franchise material, like Kingdom Hearts Mobile or trailers. Otherwise, yes.}}
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| {{EO|time=11:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)|shocked=But ''KH3D'' ''is'' canon...}}
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| {{LightRoxas|text=But so far all we have from KH3D is trailers, aside from a couple magazine articles. Our information on this guy is fairly limited, so until we have some actual details it should stay as is.}}
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| can we find a better picture of fix this one? the outline is blurry and his shoe has a "u" on it. [[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] 15:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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| {{KrytenKoro|KH3D is. The ''trailers'', which is all we have access to now, are not. We have an [[Removed content in the Kingdom Hearts series|entire article]] evincing how non-canon they are.
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| Unknown: That image is cropped from the Famitsu magazine. It is the only render we have now, and will be replaced as soon as higher-quality images become available.}}
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| what about the one on my profile page?[[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] 18:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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| :Is not a full-body render.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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| Why in God's name does this guy still have the Boss Template on his normal page when EVERYONE ELSE has that (still cocked-up) "new" template?? That's my reasoning but for some reason, this guy's the odd one out when it comes to templates. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 11:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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| :Well, change it then. Don't complain. ;) [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] 12:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Alright, then I will......''again''. Watch what happens next. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 13:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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| == New Japanese Name? ==
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| {{Pea14733|time=15:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)|mrhintr= From [[http://images.khinsider.com/2012%20Uploads/03/Famitsu%20-%20March%2022/10.jpg]]
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| It's seem that he has a new name, {{nihongo|'''Enigmatic Young Man'''|謎の青年|Nazo no Seinen}} }}
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| :Enigmatic Youth or Boy.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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| == Identity? ==
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| Could he be Terra, after Xehanort became a Heartless and nobody? --[[User:Sapphowako|Sapphowako]] 14:12, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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| :Unlikely, the face is way off. He looks much more like young Master Xehanort. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 14:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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| We don't know what he is, he could very well have taken the appearence of a Young Xehanort, in BBS he was bigger than he is in 3D, either way the game is like 4 days way from the Japanese release let's just wait and see.--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 15:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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| 2 days is too long, the suspense is killing me, I wanna know how off I am... --[[User:Sapphowako|Sapphowako]] 00:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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| Pretty damn off...
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| == Alternate Timeline ==
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| Source? And don't argue using logic, this is kinda the wrong series, and game for that.
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| There is no evidence that his time shenanigans are not based on a stable time loop, like most Final Fantasy games. Mentioning changes to the timeline is presumptuous.[[Special:Contributions/152.27.34.107|152.27.34.107]] 12:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :He explicitly explains to Riku that one cannot alter the past through time travel. It's a stable time loop. Nothing ever changed. [[Special:Contributions/68.9.233.144|68.9.233.144]] 23:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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| == Too Early ==
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| Wasn't the move a bit too early? the name of the article became a spoiler to the guy's identity.
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| :EDIT: Almost a week and no reply. Does anyone care about the spoiler police?{{User:Xabryn/Sig}} 02:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC}
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| ::Thing is, if you go to a wiki, wouldn't you expect to be spoiled? {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :::This is only as much a spoiler as having articles for Quasimodo or CLU.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 19:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| If we followed that logic Erry we wouldn't have a spoiler police. And anon Quasimodo's identity isn't a secret, while YX's is, there is a reason why he was called unknown at first.{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}23:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :The game's been out for at least two weeks, no? Then we're all set. Too late to change it back now. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 23:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::It is still a spoiler until the game is released in all countries, and no, it's not too late.--{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}01:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Indeed, you are correct, my mistake. However, this is the first occasion where the name of an article itself is possibly spoiling. Not sure really how to handle this, but I don't think changing the name would be a good idea. I can't see any suitable solution besides keeping the spoiler tags up there. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 01:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::Again, it's still as much a "secret" as Quasimodo being in the game is, even if certain players care about it more. Material from before the game was released clearly depicted them, the info's out there.
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| ::::I mean, there's a point at which the spoiler policy goes from "common courtesy" to "shooting ourselves in the foot", and I think this is it. We can have a spoiler warning at the very top of the page, but it's not reasonable to start contorting the presentation of information and sacrificing accuracy on a crap-ton of pages.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ...Being in the game is not a spoiler. Being Xehanort, however, is.[[Special:Contributions/152.27.34.107|152.27.34.107]] 12:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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| == English Voice Actor Clarification ==
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| Just wanted to quickly clarify than the english voice actor is [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0228356/ Ben Diskin]. Don't put anything down yet though - not until "official" confirmation. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 15:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :I love how you talk about waiting for something official, yet you post a link to iMDB. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::You got some proof to that, besides iMDB? {{User:Erry/Sig}} 17:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :The hell? I just posted the IMDB link so you'd get an idea of what he did in the past... Not as any kind of proof. As to how I know it's him? ''I just do''. He has one of those insanely ''recognizable'' voices. Kinda like...you know, Spock himself? --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::So you have no confirmation. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Is it possible for you to not act like a grade A douchebag for five minutes? No, really. If you CAN just spare a few minutes, I think that'd be super. When you get your confirmation, I'll make it a point to badger you specifically.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 19:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::Look, we can't add him as his voice actor on a hunch. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::Well, I did say not to - ''yet''. I just said it as such so the reason to dance around it would be eliminated. Kind of like...how we all know Paul Peter is still voicing Xemnas, but we don't have ''official'' confirmation.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 19:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::::Yeah, but Peter has worked on previous games. I don't even know who Diskin is. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::::So now it's all about ''you'' and what ''you'' know?--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 22:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::::::''Jaaayzus'', children.
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| :Anon: there's no point in even bringing up imdb, ever. They thought that James Earl Jones would be voicing Aqua. If you don't have a reliable source to provide, there's no reason to be starting new topics on the "what needs fixing on the article" page. Go to the forums, instead.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 22:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't go around calling our editors douche bags. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 00:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Anyway, the point is that IMDb is not a reliable source, so it cannot be used. Even recognizing a voice actor's voice isn't proof, because many voice actors/actresses can sound the same. Take example Mickey's new English voice actor after Wayne Allwine (may he RIP).--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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| I will admit it does sound like Benjamin Diskin, however David Gallagher's facebook and twitter says he is voiceing YX in KHDDD. David Gallagher is just shifting his voice just like Haily Joel Osment did when he voiced Vanitas. Also it makes no sense for YX NOT to be voiced by David Gallager because it was confirmed that he voiced him in BBS, David Gallagher already works for Square Enix as a voice actor. why would he deny the role? And please dont call people names on the wiki. readers can look at talk pages too and you want to make this wiki look professional dont you? [[Special:Contributions/198.209.0.252|198.209.0.252]] 14:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4362/kh3dben.png ''Whoops''. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 20:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I don't think that's enough. Although he admitted he did some work on it, he never specially side what ''kind'' of work on it. If we're on things based on assumptions, then we're just speculating. And, anonymous user, please don't "badger" our users.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :Of course. I 100% anticipated this response. Common sense, after all, isn't terribly popular here. Should I run some sort of poll or something on every KH website and board to see how many people think of you guys as a joke? Or, if I'm not mistaken, someone else already did that once... IN FACT...there was a group called "The Blox" who completely showed you all up. And you've ''yet'' to learn your lesson still. You've yet to even bother improving. It would be quite impressive, if it wasn't so sad.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 21:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Now you're just acting plain rude. We need hardcore proof, not something based on assumptions. Better to be safe than sorry, as the saying goes. If other people wants to put on their websites that blah blah is voicing whatever character, that's fine because it's not how we do things at the wiki. Unless someone flat out says they're voicing a character, then it's nothing more than speculation. It's not that we're being unfair, we're being logical.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Then I suppose our definitions of logic greatly differ. I see no logic in this. You're working along the same lines of a system that is broken to no end.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 21:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Stuff like this has happened before. We're just being careful, there's no harm in that. The game is coming out soon, anyway. I don't see a point of arguing over something that doesn't really to be argue about.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| Alright, guys. I know I'm intruding, but seeing as how this argument has gone too far (in my opinion), allow me to provide my opinion on the matter.
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| Anon, I admit that it is very likely that Ben Diskin is the voice actor for Young Xehanort. With the image you've given, it does seem likely. However, this situation also brings back memories of what happened before ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep'' came out. After Mark Hammil was announced to be providing his voice for the game, I saw at least one website that stated that he would be playing Terra. Although it may have seemed likely at the time, we now know that Mark Hammil played Master Eraqus instead. Similarly, it was announced multiple weeks ago that Leonard Nimoy would not be reprising his role as Master Xehanort. Seeing as how Ben Diskin only stated that he "did SOME kind of work for it", he ''technically'' could be playing Master Xehanort in this game, rather than Young Xehanort.
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| I know my example may not seem likely at all, but until someone explicitly states that Ben Diskin is playing Young Xehanort, I do not believe that it is right to list him as his voice actor. The chance that he is playing a different role may seem slim, but so long as it exists I do not believe that it is right to list him as Young Xehanort's official voice actor. And after all, how do we know that he isn't being played by David Gallagher again, seeing as how that's who played the role in ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep''? --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 22:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :<big>NOTICE</big>
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| *There will be no more personal attacks, or I will begin handing out immediate indefinite bans.
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| *There will be no more fiddling around on this topic other than someone providing evidence where Ben Diskin is ''explicitly'' stated to have a certain role, or Young Xehanort is ''explicitly'' stated to have a certain actor.
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| **This wiki has had a policy of requiring explicit evidence for a good while now, and past violations are ''not'' an excuse for further incidents. Furthermore, the reliability of askance hints or IMDB have been ''thoroughly'' destroyed in the past. We do all remember Leonard Nimoy saying he was done with voice acting, right? How'd that turn out. And for imdb, the James Earl Jones thing.
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| *If we ''never'' get an explicit statement of who voices Young Xehanort, guess what? It doesn't fucking matter, because even if we did get it it would be a tiny, irrelevant footnote hidden away on the page. This is a ridiculous thing for people to be getting worked up about.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| And, anonymous user, please don't "badger" our users
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| Badger? no you misunderstand. you see im just a wiki critic who tells people on my website what wiki to use for the best info. I find this site however.... distasteful.
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| ---> If we ''never'' get an explicit statement of who voices Young Xehanort, guess what? It doesn't fucking matter (case and point) bye ;)
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| {{neumannz|time=00:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)|text=OK. I'm glad you guys all blew this out of proportion.
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| *Anon 68.230.252.5: Due to past experience, our policy is to wait until official confirmation on voice actors, no matter how stupidly obvious it might be. Considering that it's only a matter of time until we '''''do''''' get confirmation, there's no point in saying that the voice actor "is" Ben Diskin. As for the link, probably {{w|Ben Diskin|Wikipedia}} would have been a better choice, since IMDB is basically dead to us, but there was no way for you to know that.
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| *Anon 198.209.0.252: You're not exactly one for professionalism or rational argument yourself, so please don't make this more than it already is. Also, if you're going to criticize our content, you can't do it on such a tenuous topic as unconfirmed VAs.
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| *Everybody: Stop flying off the handle so easily. I know we have trouble with anons, but you need to calm the crap down and be. rational. It is not necessary to go all out at the slightest thing.
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| Here's your 130% confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/dqneB.png We also get a clarification of David's role in everything too. And guess what... ''I won't make any edits.'' You guys do it. But if I don't see any edits in the next 12 hours... Let's just say your already dubious validity won't even be questioned - there won't be a ''need'' for questioning. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 06:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks for the source! This clears up a question someone was having about David Gallagher, too.
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| ::On a side note, can we please ''not'' encourage the voice actors to risk getting fired, especially when we can almost always just wait a month or two for more ethical ways to get the info? This really isn't critical info, guys.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Yeah, I gave up after Vaan's seiyu for Duodecim was replaced after he let loose the pigeons. You're pretty much asking for Square to put David back in, anon. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 15:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Yeah... Just to clarify lol, I had nothing to do with the guy being bothered - just caught that pic on the boards. After reading through a bit more, I do feel pretty bad for him. We have the dumbest, most obnoxious fanbase around. =_= --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 16:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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| == Wrong info ==
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| We state here that after failing to induct Sora, Young Xehanort returns to his own time and gives up his memories of Dream Drop Distance and the grows up to be Master Xehanort. This cannot happen as Young Xehanort is a member of the Thirteen Darkness and is he were to lose his memories and leave, they would only have eleven members.
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| :I haven't completely understood KH time travel yet but consider this: Xemnas, Ansem, Xigbar und Saix were already defeated and can still attend the meeting (because they were brought there through time). Also if Xehanort just needs 13 versions of himself, why doesn't he just bring 12 younger selfs? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 13:41, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Because Nomura wants to bring all the Xehanorts back.
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| :Except he LITERALLY says he'll return to his own time and will lose his memories of what happened. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Yes but that means that there cannot be a new Organization XIII.--[[Special:Contributions/124.168.242.102|124.168.242.102]] 01:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
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| {{LightRoxas|axel=Seriously, I think the merging of Master and Young Xehanort's articles was a bad plan. The article is quite hard to follow, what with the different timelines. Xehanort's story begins at with the events of BbS, ''not'' with the events described in KH3D - those take place in an alternate timeline of sorts. At this point, I honestly can't follow the article at all, and I certainly think it worked better as two separate articles. In addition, having the article be named Xehanort only adds to the confusion we were trying so hard to avoid with Terra-Xehanort.}}
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| :False. It's not an alternate timeline, it's just one guy looping forward then going back. He's the same guy, and the character and the voice actors (out of canon) have confirmed that it's the same character.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::And yet, the characters are treated as separate entities. - [[Special:Contributions/50.133.206.189|50.133.206.189]] 14:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Well, yeah, it's one guy, just occupying two different points in space. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 15:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::I honestly agree with LightRoxas. You have know idea who the hell the article's about. Is it Apprentice Xehanort? Master Xehanort? Young Xehanort? You can't tell until you click. Really not good for some of the editors/readers. And is it just me, or does the page seem a bit cluttered/chaotic with all of Young Xehanort's information added to it? - [[Special:Contributions/24.63.239.203|24.63.239.203]] 04:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort are the ''same person''. If you're confused about the time travel, or who Xehanort is, talk to Nomura about that. That's why we have a disambig at the top, and explain the intent of the article in the lead paragraph. Beyond that, there's not much we can do to reasonably accommodate the series' soap opera-level lunacy.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::::There are going to be a total of thirteen different Xehanorts from various points in his timeline in the [[True Organization XIII]], and the six we've been introduced to thus far are very different. We have separate articles for all of them but these two, even though Young Xehanort has been treated as a separate entity from Master Xehanort both in scenes and in the KH3D Reports profiles. In his report profile, instead of being an alternate character model for Master Xehanort like Young Sora is for Sora, Young Xehanort gets his very own profile, as do the other four True Organization XIII members, despite the fact that they're all essentially the same guy. As we get more and more Xehanorts, this article is bound to get extremely convoluted, especially if we keep in the perspective of Sora's chronology. I propose we make "Xehanort" the article that tells the story of each iteration of Xehanort in one timeline based on Xehanort's chronology, not Sora's or the player's, categorized by each of his thirteen forms. But also give each of the thirteen members their own article with information on what that particular version of Xehanort does, how that particular version of Xehanort behaves, who that particular version of Xehanort meets, etc. "Young Xehanort" is extremely different from "Master Xehanort," because YX is destined to be all of the other Xehanorts before he is MX.
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| ::::::It's like the various incarnations of the Doctor in Doctor Who, if you're at all familiar with that series. They're all the same person, but they all have different quirks, mannerisms, and personalities. If you say "the Doctor," a fan will assume you're talking about his current iteration. You have to specify which Doctor you're talking about. The First Doctor and the Eleventh Doctor are very different men, and yet both are the same man. Same goes for Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort. [[User:Fabala011|Fabala011]] ([[User talk:Fabala011|talk]]) 23:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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| I feel like you haven't watched doctor who, then,as it explicitly describes the process as "dying, but becoming someone else", not "aging a bit". Xehanort to xemnas would be an apt comparison, not this.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| It makes no sense to cover Young Xehanort's time travel escapades in the section covering the era before BbS.
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| #We have absolutely no evidence for ''which order'' his time travel escapades happened in. Maybe he went to Land of Departure on his way back to his original time, we don't know. Maybe he did it during KH3D while waiting for Sora to show up at TWTNW.
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| It's imposing an unsupported narrative that doesn't jive with the "landmarks" we are using to provide context. It does not make sense in this order.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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| : I agree, we should put it back in the BBS and DDD section, Ill do it if you give me the green light.--[[Special:Contributions/124.168.242.102|124.168.242.102]] 09:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ::(Young) Xehanort said for himself that time travel is only possible in one direction, so he visited the Land of Departure before waiting for Sora in The World That Never Was. I don't know how he returned though, there is still a lot to explain. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :::Hmmm....that definitely helps, and should be written to be implied by the article, then. However...since we don't have actual year numbers for this universe, it seems like the most effective way to make it clear when time travel escapades actually happen is to cover them from the universe's PoV, rather than Xehanort's...I don't know at this point. Can we prepare drafts of each version?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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| {{LightRoxas|epic=Sorry to be late to this party; anyway, I can write up a draft from the universe's point of view, since I see that as less of a total mind-blower.}}
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| ::Universe is what's already on the page, isn't it?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 19:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :::You're right, I misread the article. Carry on. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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| To quote an immortal, gumball-loving time traveler who was formerly insane "Time Travel makes pronouns so confusing." Translation, we don't know how Time Travel works in the series, and no one say "Nomura is contradicting his own logic"(I've had enough of hearing that). Look, until the whole thing is explained a little better(like using smaller words), we should avoid saying things like "alternate timeline" even if it does turn out to be true. Just my opinion, cause I'm confused enough as it is. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 14:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :We're...not using that term here...read the article next time. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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| :*sighs* I mean that the Young Xehanort and the Master Xehanort should be considered two different people for the time being, even if they're the same person. One is the current version and one is from the past(who also barely refers to himself as Xehanort(he only does it, like, once)). And whether or not the young one is from an alternate timeline or not, he needs his own page. Still just my opinion though. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 21:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| ::They're the same person. There are no alternate timelines involved. End of story. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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| :::It's queries like this which is why I put a Time Travel page on the agenda for the Friday roundtable. Hopefully if that page is made, it will clear confusion on this page. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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| If they're the same person then why do they have different journal entries? The answer is because they are treated as two different characters for the sake of sparing confusion. Which is not what is happening here. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 21:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :I disagree, BBS uses two different journal entries for Vanitas, it's more about game progression than it's about sparing confusion. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 22:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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| Really? Well, I've never played BBS so I really wouldn't know. Sorry, my mistake. But I still think it would be better to have two pages for them, for the younger and easily confused fans. I'm just trying to help is all. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 00:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :So we should have separate pages for KH1 and KH2 Riku too, right? He looks totally different and has a different personality and everything, there's no way that won't confuse people.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| ::But those two don't show up in the same game, do they? [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 07:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| The Hero has a point. But we saw Riku grow into his KHII self, from CoM to Days to II, but YX is from a large gap in time which we have not witnessed. We haven't seen YX gradually grow into MX, but we saw KH Riku gradually grow into KHII Riku. Anyways, I'm done here, I still think it would be better to split the pages. So just put it to a vote or something, I have more important things that require my attention. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 14:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :kh1 riku does, in fact, show up in khii, just not in person. We also have that instance in kh3d. Nevertheless, its still a silly suggestion: its literally the same exact person at different ages. As much "growth" as even needed to be depicted ''was''...xehanort didn't change his personality much, if at all. Ansem the king, for example, changes more over the course of khii than xehanort ever did.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| ::Something I will settle for, is maybe dividing the Kingdom Hearts 3D sub-section, under 'Story', into two more sections: Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort. Even still, I find ''that'' unnecessary. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| == Separate Xehanorts on Pages ==
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)|text=So, I know this links back to previous arguments about unmerging Xehanort and whatnot, but here goes. My question is about the other articles. This article treats Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort as the same person. Shouldn't the other articles do this? For example, the article for [[The World That Never Was]] lists the two separate Xehanorts. If we're going to treat them as one and the same being, should we not remove the separate links on the other pages and simply link once to this page with the name "Xehanort" rather than twice with the names "Master Xehanort" and "Young Xehanort"? }}
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| Well, the game refers to them as such, and they are legitimately different beings in the game itself. However, wiki-wise, and in reality, they are the same person, just different forms. So, to stay in the same frame as the game, it's better to refer to each as one separate being, than one person. It would not flow well, if let's say, we said "Xehanort fought Riku by possessing Xehanort" for example. However, if we're talking about the list of characters/bosses, it's a similar situation to Flora, Fauna and Merryweather. All 3 links link to the same page, but they're different beings. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 22:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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| It says on the page that Xemnas is Xehanort's nobody. That's not strictly true, he's Terra's nobody influenced by Xehanort. {{User:LightningPrincess12}} 13:57, September 22 2014
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| You're misinterpreting. It's not talking about Master Xehanort, it's talking about Terra-Xehanort. Allow me to show you: "Through his(Master Xehanort) many different incarnations, including Terra-Xehanort, his(Terra-Xehanort) Heartless, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and his(Terra-Xehanort) Nobody, Xemnas,". Like that. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 14:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :Don't forget, in "[[Signs of What's Next]]", Master Yen Sid implies that Xemnas and Ansem are Master Xehanort's Nobody and Heartless, respectively. "Xehanort's heart, once seized by his Heartless half, is now free, and his body, which had become his Nobody, has been vanquished. Both halves will now be returned to the whole. In short, this means Master Xehanort will return." If Xemnas wasn't Xehanort's Nobody, and Ansem, Xehanort's Heartless, then they would return to become Terra-Xehanort, not Master Xehanort. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 14:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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| :Yeah but, then what happens to Terra? But since Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas use Time Travel to join Master Xehanort in 3D, maybe it causes some type of backlash that prevents Terra from returning? Ugh, this version of Time Travel is so confusing to my brain, I hope someone can explain it better, whether in KHIII or on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 14:59, 22 September 2014 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| :Terra is still Terra-Xehanort, as we've come to call him, and he's a part of the Organization. Xehanort implies this in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance'', when he says that "Sora and another on your list belong to me." Terra is within the ranks of the new Organization, most likely as a time-displaced Terra-Xehanort. As I understand it, everyone in the Organization is now time-displaced, with the exception of Master Xehanort, who's returned to the present time. I'm not sure of Saïx, because Lea calls him "Isa", but Xigbar isn't his original self, so...that I don't know about. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 15:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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| :They really didn't make it too clear to follow, did they? While I'm sure they tried their best to explain it, it just didn't happen. Thanks though for telling me your take on it, and about Terra-Xehanort being a member of the new Organization, that makes a lot of sense, so thanks again. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 15:13, 22 September 2014 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
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| I got the impression that MX was talking about Xemnas when he mentioned Terra belonging to him, and one thing I Don't get is Why did Xemnas's destruction effect MX since how Xemnas was made from Terra's body and soul?{{User:LightningPrincess12}} 14:15, January 5 2015
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| Why is this considered non-canon? [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 08:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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| :The game announced by "A Fragmentary Passage" is not in production or creation, or any form of development. While the idea/concept is still being considered, because of the likelihood that the entire idea could be abandoned, the wiki doesn't consider it canon. There really isn't anything in the video to consider canon, anyways; it's a ton of scenes that don't seem related to each other. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 17:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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| ==The passing of Chikao Ohtsuka==
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| {{TNE|time=13:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)|sadtext=It seems KHInsider has released news that Chikao Ohtsuka passed away at age 85. Ischaemic heart failure. RIP.
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| It'd be easy to talk about who is replacing the Japanese Master Xehanort, but at this point, I just can't.}}
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| Cheers, I will do. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="dodgerblue">Trois</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="darkslateblue">nyx</font>]]''' 13:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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| Leonary Nimoy has passed away on Feb. 27, 2015. RIP. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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| :Yes, it's a very sad day today. Is there anything we can/should do about it? Like something to commemorate his life and work on the series? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 18:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Oh, God... I can't believe it. May he rest in peace.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 02:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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| Since we don't get exact numbers on Xehanort, I'm thinking there should be different names for him in different times to differentiate between the forms and for image naming purposes.
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| *Terra-Xehanort - Apprentice of Ansem - Nobody/Heartless Split.
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| *Master Xehanort - During Events of BBS/Old Goat in KH3D
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| *Child Xehanort - Playing Chess with CE in E3 2015 trailer. (He seems significantly younger from his time-travelling age)
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| Thoughts? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:41, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Instead of Child, how about "Xehanort (Apprentice)"?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:16, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Agreed with Kryten. He's more of a teenager in appearance. Everything else is fine. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:34, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::How can be younger of DDD? He said he traveled in time BEFORE left the Destiny's Islands, so is impossible he was younger of DDD.
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| Sorry for my bag grammar, I'm italian.--[[Special:Contributions/189.39.241.193|189.39.241.193]] 20:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::Some are assuming that he returned to Destiny Islands for whatever reason.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:54, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :Kryten's idea sounds good to me. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 01:21, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::But YX said he traveled in time BEFORE leaving Destiny's Island--[[Special:Contributions/189.39.241.193|189.39.241.193]] 01:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :::When I think about, time traveling Xehanort and Xehanort as an apprentice does look roughly around the same age.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 04:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::I agree with NinjaSheik. I personally don't think he looks younger at all. I think it's pointless to debate Young Xehanort's age right now. I mean, it could just be the new graphics that makes him look younger in the trailer to some people. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 05:25, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::::For all we know, Time Xexhanort and Apprentice Xehanort could be one and the same from the same time. I'm okay with waiting until more information is released, but for image naming purposes, either names can do and we move it later?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:57, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::::That's probably the best bet. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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| == How does Young Xehanort time travel? ==
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| Don't you have to leave your body behind and just become a heart? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 05:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC) <br/>
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| EDIT: I know that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness gave Young Xehanort the ability to do this, but how did he give him this ability exactly? How do you just give someone the power to time travel? <br/>
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| --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 07:28, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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| :I believe that's simply how to unlock the ability for yourself, which Xehanort did eventually when he became Ansem, and as they(Ansem and YX) were versions of each other, Ansem was able to give YX the ability to Time Travel. How he did it ''exactly'', is not currently known in detail. Ansem didn't have a body, period. Mickey explicitly states this "Xehanort did give up his body. It was a version of him that was possessing Riku.". [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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| With 2.8 releasing next month and KH3 coming out within the next few years, is it possible we will see a "Master Xehanort" and Young Xehanort" split. Will they ever have their own separate articles? I know they are the same person, but they both play different roles (sorta) and will likely have very different roles come KH3, considering Young Xehanort is one of the thirteen seekers of darkness. Also it would appear much more user friendly to split the articles. It's just an idea, though. I haven't been here long enough to see if there was a specific reasoning for this. [[User:Hallowseve97|Hallowseve97]] ([[User talk:Hallowseve97|talk]]) 23:37, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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| :They actually ''were'' seperate at one point, back when Young Xehanort was first identified. However, though I didn't agree with the choice at the time, they were merged because they are in fact the same person. It's not like with Trunks and Future Trunks from ''Dragon Ball Z'' who lived completely different lives. Young and Master Xehanort have and will live the same life, in time. And as such should stay one article. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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| ::That's the main issue with it, yeah. If we split it, you'd have a Young Xehanort article, and then a comprehensive Master Xehanort article would still contain all the events covered in the Young Xehanort article, because that's his past. I suppose, depending on the physics of time travel, that we could argue the ''time-traveling'' Young Xehanort as a "different kind of being", but YX and MX definitely have the least amount of separation of any of the new Org -- where Ansem and Xemnas and the others clearly identify other members as distinct, YX and MX always talk about the other being "myself".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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| :::What will we do, though, if the Young Xehanort betrays the Master? It has been hinted that YX is not evil, and is only going along with MX's plan because he believes it's his fate and there's nothing he can do about it. There are theories going around that YX will eventually betray MX, and since KHIII is basically about giving happy endings to all main chracters, and YX may end up being good, I believe in the end the Key to Return Hearts or whatever McGuffin will be used so that a piece of YX's heart can be transferred to a newly created body, allowing him to return to the past so there's no paradox AND simultaneously having a chance to live a life without becoming MX.
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| ::::Uh..no. Since all that is just conjecture. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 06:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::No, I'm not talking about splitting it now. I'm saying, when the game comes out, if something similar to what I said happens, will we have to split the pages after the fact, since, in that case, the two Xehanorts would be effectively different beings? {{User:G-SANtos/Sig}} 18:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::Let's just wait until the game comes out before we start discussing the possibility of a split. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::Wiki policy is that a character's full history is covered on its page, and is only split if that person becomes a different entity, like how Terra-Xehanort became Ansem and Xemnas (similar to digivolving). Only way I can see Young being split from Master, ''per our current policy'', is if something like a split timeline version of a character happens (a la Andromeda or Red Dwarf). Even then, the current coverage (which is that Master Xehanort's history includes that of the current appearances of Young Xehanort) would still be valid, unless Nomura retcons that, somehow, Master Xehanort's "true" past was not what we were shown -- which would somewhat invalidate the entire plot of KH3D, but who even knows with him anymore.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
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| == Uggghhhh...split? ==
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| So, given the reveal in KH3 that Young Xehanort is Xehanort's heart within a Replica body, would that satisfy our criteria for being fundamentally different beings and require a split?<!--I hate Xehanort's plot, and all the mess it makes for an encyclopedia-->{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :There would definitely be benefits to splitting them just from an article perspective. Given that right now we have Young and Master Xehanort existing at the same time, following the timeline of the character is tough. If we were truly to cover the chronology as the character experiences it, we would have to cover Young Xehanort on Destiny Islands → Meeting the Robed Figure → Secret boss fight → Gathering versions of himself → YX scenes in DDD → YX scenes in KH3 → Chess scenes (assuming they are even literal and not metaphorical) → all of old Xehanort's life.
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| :The game almost treats them as different entities. At the same time, they are the same person. It is a mess. I guess I vote to split it for clarity's sake, even though they are the same person; the game hasn't really shown that what YX experiences in the present has any effect on MX, anyway. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 14:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::While I was always for splitting the page, if we split based on the fact that YX is a heart in a replica body, that only counts for when he travels through time. So the scenes on DI, when he meets the Robed Figure, and the chess scenes are not from when he was a replica, so then that should be covered on the MX page, which would be confusing. A better way would be to split young and old, but since they're the same person (excluding time travel stuff), that would be against policy. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::See, the thing is that Master Xehanort's plot ''does'' reference stuff from his youth -- just not from his time travelling days. So I think we could write coherent articles that diverge at the moment Young Xenny traveled to the future.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::I'm game for that. Include what we see of YX on Destiny Islands on the MX page, but put all his endeavors in DDD and KH3 on a separate page. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 16:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::I'm all for splitting the pages, too, but isn't the Young Xehanort in ''KH3D'' the one from Destiny Islands? My understanding was the actual Xehanort incarnations were summoned in ''3D'', but they were returned to their own time (including YX), unable to return to the resurrected Master Xehanort's present. Then Master Xehanort recruited Even, who gave him replicas that could host the hearts of the other Norts from across time. Those hearts then merged with the improved replicas, becoming new people. The heart inside gave the replica its appearance, which is why Dark Riku turned blank after Repliku extracted his heart. TLDR; ''KH3D'' Norts are the bodies and hearts of the actual people, while ''KHIII'' Norts are hearts in replica bodies. How we handle a split depends on when the games say Vexen joined Master Xehanort to give him replicas. Reasoning: Even is clearly human (albeit unconscious) throughout ''KH3D''. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 16:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::::My understanding was that Vexen joined to give ''better'' replicas, but that they still had his original stock for use. In addition, doesn't Master Xehanort say in KH3D that they will all reconvene for the final battle? So they should be the same entities. It would be pretty nonsense for Nomura to say he knew who all the 12 at KH3D were, if they were just going to be replaced for KH3.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::::::I think it's possible the time traveled members in 3D are just hearts, without a replica body, and that that is the reason why they only have a short time before they had to go back. Same for YX in BBS. It's not possible that he's using a replica body there, since the replica program started with Vexen, and he was still Even at the time. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::::::There is also the point about the rules of time travel that they state multiple times. You can't travel through time with your body, only a heart can travel through time. Dark Riku even makes a point of saying that when Yen Sid sends Sora and Riku back in KH3D, it's breaking that rule and that the 13 darknesses still had to follow it and give up his heart. ("Unlike a certain wizard you know, I had to play by the rules to travel through time. Which meant leaving my body behind.") He then pretty much states flat out that any time travelers are hearts inside replicas ("They could come from anywhere, any when, just as long as he had the right vessels at hand to place their hearts in.")[[User:Sirlionel13|Sirlionel13]] ([[User talk:Sirlionel13|talk]]) 18:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I thought the "certain wizard you know" referred to Merlin. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::Yhea, is Merlin, in KH2 is Merlin that allow to Sora, Donald and Goofy to travel in the past ignoring the rules, not Yen Sid.--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.173|93.150.192.173]] 18:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::Yeah, Yen Sid's version still followed Xehanort's rules. They went back to when they were kids, and followed DI into the Realm of Sleep. Only Merlin has done back-to-the-future style time travel.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::I interpreted that as Yen Sid, since I doubt Dark Riku knew about the Timeless River sequence. Regardless of which wizard he means, though, he's still pretty clear that Org XIII had to give up their bodies to travel through time and had to use replicas in the future.[[User:Sirlionel13|Sirlionel13]] ([[User talk:Sirlionel13|talk]]) 18:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::::Maybe the replicas are just to allow them to circumvent the "have to have a version of themselves at the other end" rule? Out-of-universe the obvious explanation is that Nomura hadn't decided to go with replicas until KH3. If he had just made Even be missing in 3D we'd be fine and this would all work (as much as KH lore does), but in current form so much is lacking explanation. Maybe if your heart travels to a period of time in which another version of yourself is present, you can use that version of yourself to establish a new temporary body? I don't know man, this stuff is wack. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 18:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::I suggest waiting for the Ultimania before doing anything drastic. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 18:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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| I agree with a split, would make the pages easier to read. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 22:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :Shall we go ahead with the split then? As far as I'm aware Ultimania has not added anything to this topic. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 16:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
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| ::I think we should.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:34, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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| After the release of ReMind I suggest we go ahead and split Xehanort and Young Xehanort and treat their pages in a similar fashion as we do with Riku Replica and Dark Riku. In ReMind they go out of their way to refer to Xehanort's younger, time-traveling-self as Young Xehanort, while the young Xehanort unaware of his future is referred to as just Xehanort in the ReMind character entry. Going ahead with this split would make it a lot easier to detail what each character does during KH3D and KH3. - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 14:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :Any admins wanna weigh in on this? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 12:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC) [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 12:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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| ::I agree. Just to be clear, we're only splitting the time-travelling Young Xehanort. The young Xehanort from the chess scenes and remind scene will still be on this page. Right? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :::Agreed. Only the time-traveling version. I can create a page a page for it when I get home. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 16:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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| shouldn't we have a separate Section for Xehanort's Forms? similar to how we have for Sora, Riku, Mickey Mouse, etc. as we now have in the bottom of the page 6 different forms not counting Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort's default outfit. [[User:ScandinavianViking|ScandinavianViking]] ([[User talk:ScandinavianViking|talk]]) 19:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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| '''Xehanort grew up on the Destiny Islands'''. As a young man, he was paid a visit by his future self's Heartless, Ansem, who granted him the power to traverse time and tasked him with gathering twelve other incarnations of himself from across time. After carrying out his duties in the future, Xehanort returned to his proper place in time at the Destiny Islands. While the rules of time travel prevented him from keeping his memories of his travels, '''they engraved themselves on his heart so that he retained a desire to eventually leave the islands.'''
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| '''Xehanort eventually found a way to depart his home world and arrived at Scala ad Caelum, where he encountered a Keyblade Master. Under this master, he began training as a Keyblade wielder, along with his fellow pupil Eraqus'''
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| After Mickey Mouse casts a Stopza spell to aid Riku in rescuing Sora from Xehanort's Organization XIII, '''Master Xehanort's consciousness overrides the spell by possessing and temporarily granting Young Xehanort the ability to wield his Keyblade''', though he does so with this specific Keychain. Riku, however, defeats him and sends him retreating.
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| Hope that makes sense [[User:ScandinavianViking|ScandinavianViking]] ([[User talk:ScandinavianViking|talk]]) 18:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
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| :It's a complicated situation. Lore-wise, DI Xehanort should be younger than SaC Xehanort, but appearance-wise, SaC Xehanort looks younger than DI Xehanort. There's always a possibility of a retcon, but since they remain very mysterious about the "Boy in Black", I think we should stick to the current lore that we know, which is that DI Xehanort is younger. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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| ::Honestly it seems like all the scala ad caelum scenes are actually some sort of Dive to the Heart, rather than a true representation of that world.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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| ==Xehanort's true eyes==
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| So for young Xehanort and Master Xehanort, their true eye color is silver/grayish. Their golden eyes were from the power of darkness? and from KH3 DLC ReMind trailer, Young Xehanort is seen with silver gray eyes. so what to do with the design appearance? what do you guys think? [[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 04:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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| ===Before ''Kingdom Hearts Dark Road''===
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts Dark Road''===
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| {{Q|At the time, I did not yet know I was talking to myself. He cast his body aside to set me on the path. That is Xehanort reduced to just a heart; the being you and your friends called Ansem|Young Xehanort}}
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| [[File:Where It Started 01 KH3D.png|thumb|left|Xehanort meets Ansem, his Heartless from the future.]]
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| ===Between ''Kingdom Hearts Dark Road'' and ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep''===
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| In the course of this pilgrimage, Xehanort met [[The Master of Masters]], who gifted him a [[black coat]] to replace his armor while also urging him to discard both armor and coat in order to experience the true force of the darkness in the lanes, which he claimed would pose no threat to a heart of "true strength". Doing this, Xehanort touched the darkness and gained great power through his lack of fear.{{storylink|Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind}}
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| As he journeyed, Xehanort obtained vast knowledge concerning Keyblade lore, the Heartless, and the mysteries of the [[Keyblade War]] and Kingdom Hearts. Over the years, Xehanort's beliefs that darkness and light were meant to be in balance were further reinforced, and that the balance was currently tilted dangerously toward light. He resolved to rebalance the world by beginning a new Keyblade War to recreate the [[χ-blade]] and thus obtain the power of Kingdom Hearts.{{?}}<!--wasn't it about creating a NEW, blank world?--> However, due to his advanced age, he devised a plan to extract his own heart and transfer it to a younger body to prolong his life until his ambitions were fulfilled.
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| [[File:Flashback Vanitas's Making 02 KHBBS.png|thumb|left|Master Xehanort creating Vanitas.]]
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| Eventually, Xehanort encountered [[Ventus]], who he took on as a pupil. With Ventus unsuitable as a vessel, he decided to instead use him for the χ-blade. After failing to stimulate Ven's darkness during a training exercise in [[the Badlands]], Xehanort forcibly extracted the darkness from his heart, creating [[Vanitas]] but badly damaging Ven. Xehanort brought his ward to the Destiny Islands to die in peace, but Ven showed signs of recovery after his heart connected with that of the newborn [[Sora]]. In order to strengthen Ven's light and keep him separated from Vanitas, Xehanort brought him to Eraqus at the [[Land of Departure]] and requested that he take care of Ventus and train him as a Keyblade wielder, counting on Eraqus's dedication to the light to make him an equal mirror to Vanitas. Despite their hostile parting, Eraqus readily accepted Xehanort's request, taking Ventus as an apprentice to be trained alongside Terra and Aqua. While there, Xehanort noticed Terra's desire for power, and chose the boy as his vessel.
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