Editing Talk:Void Gear

== The Keychain ==
the lengths are made of little chains that connect to golden spurs. The charm is what appears to be two halves of a cog in the shape of an 'S'.

== Image? ==

Is it all right if I upload an image of this keyblade?

Yes, just as long as it isn't fan made and it's a good, clear image.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:37, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to upload this one. Is it okay?--[[User:LegoAlchemist|LegoAlchemist]] 23:29, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
[[ File:Vanitas's Keyblade KHBBS.png]]
But of course.

So was that picture no good after all? Or did you take it down for different reasons?--[[User:LegoAlchemist|LegoAlchemist]] 01:20, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem with it, it's no different than what we're currently using for Terra, Aqua and Ven's Keyblade [[User:HarpieSiren|HarpieSiren]] 01:37, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

{{LA|time=03:25, December 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well then why was it deleted? NinjaSheik, I'm pretty sure it was you, I don't want to sound pushy or anything, can you tell me why?}}

The chain links almost look like skulls if stared at the right way. That would make sense due to the 'vanitas' style of art.[[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 23:14, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

== Magic ==

Hey, on the page, it says that this Keyblade has great strength in blizzard and thunder attacks.  Do we actually know that yet, or is that based off the secret ending? [[User:Lord Knight Xiron|Lord Knight Xiron]] 02:42, December 27, 2009 (UTC)[[Lord knight xiron]]

I'm assuming its from the secret ending, since the secret ending is the only video we have of Vanitas actually fighting.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 02:47, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

== Vanitas's vs. Vanitas' ==

{{Azul|time=01:03, January 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=Vanitas' sounds better. Both are proper, DTN, why the change?}}
{{EO|time=01:05, January 5, 2010 (UTC)|talktext=Well, changing the title again wouldn't make sense. The whole s' doesn't float DTN's boat, as his one request has forced us to change this several times across the Wiki, and even the MoS. I suppose his reason is due to the fact that s' is more commonly used when more than one thing does the possessing...}}
{{LapisScarab|time=01:09, January 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=DTN is convinced that the "s'" is flat-out incorrect, but it's not a big deal. KrytenKoro summed it up with "not wrong, but not how we do it here". "s's" is just the way it was decided the wiki would use.}}
{{Azul|time=01:12, January 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=Zoks, just checking. Wish I was there for that discussion >>}}

== The Blue eye ==

Does the Blue eye have a meaning? It seems that it's appeared on every keyblade affiliated with a user of darkness (Terra, Vanitas, and Riku) [[User:Vaddie|Vaddie]] 04:43, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have an theory that the eye only appear on keyblades from dark as MX,Vanitas, Riku, Terra as Xehnort says in his report there are three types of keyblade the one from the light the ones from the darkness and the one from a person's heart--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 23:30, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

In Theory, we can consider the Keyblade of People's Hearts a Keyblade of Darkness also, since it manipilates Darkness instead of all elements of the Heart. Maybe that future Kingdom Hearts will specify these Keyblades as "Dark Keyblades" or something similar, being whom use the Darkness can be considered "Denezins of Darkness" or "DODs" for short, a possible trait of the "Dark Keyblades" are to protect its wielder from the negative effects of Darkness maybe as well as give its wielder better control of the lesser "DODs" (Unversed, Heartless, Nobodies, etc). - --BoRadiant 14:27, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

However, we cannot say that the Blue Eye appears only on "Dark Keyblades" there is a chance that they will appear on Keyblades of Light or the element of "Dawn" (like Way to the Dawn), some "Dark Keyblades" like Oblivion (though it isn't stated that it is a full Dark Keyblade) or the Kingdom Key D don't have the eye. Therefore, we can assume the eye is the design of that specified Keyblade(s) alone and not specialised to a "Dark Keyblade". - --BoRadiant 14:30, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

==Merge==
{{Xabryn|text=I think that the Vanitas's Sentiment's Keyblade should be merged with this page it is the same keyblade isn't it, i mean it has the same attack combo don't it it is only stronger and with other coloration}}
{{LA|Vtext=...There's an article on Vanitas Sentiment's Keyblade...? What's the point of that? MERGE IT.}}
{{LA|Vtext=I'm just going to go ahead and do it.}}
{{Auror Andrachome|sad=I guess it should be merged.}}

== Vanitas's Sentiment's Keyblade obtainable in NA!! ==

{{WB|Ven=I saw this interview in KH13. <br>
''Q: And the other major changes?''<br>
''A: Mega Flare proved too strong and violent, so we've weakened that ability. In addition, there were complaints about the reward for defeating Vanitas' Sentiment, so you will now receive his Keyblade as a prize. Such a modification is a fun novelty that fits well in KH tradition.''
<br>
I can't wait!!!}}
:The article pretty blatantly says that you get Vanitas's Keyblade, not the Sentiment's.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:06, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
HELL YEAH. Now THAT sounds great. I was crossing my fingers for Mickey's Keyblade, but this is better! The articles will need to be seperate now. And maybe we can learn the Keyblade's real name!! --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 18:48, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
:What will probably happen is that we'll get english confirmation on how sentiment's/silhouettes work, and what we're getting is the Sentiment itself, in its original Keyblade form. Which would also be awesome.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:16, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

{{ST|text=sorry, kryten,but i think u are thinking way too deep in this. It doesn't say you'll get hs orginal's keyblade or anything like that, you'll get ''his'' keyblade ("his" being used after discussing the sentiment with vanitas himself not being mentioned whatsoever) so most likely the black and white version of the keyblade is a reward for beating the sentiment, so YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY(and if we're all wrong you get the satisfaction of pwning the hell out of us)!}}

Again, the '''Japanese''' text says Vanitas's Keyblade, not the Sentiment's Keyblade.  --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 23:55, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

{{ST|text=oh}}

{{UE|time=03:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just so happened to stumble upon this information, and I was wondering if someone could provide me a link to KH13's website where this interview took place.}}
:http://www.ff-reunion.net/kh/2010/06/25/khbbs_dengeki_nomura_interview

{{ST|text=quick question, in the event that it IS the sentiment's version, would that require a page split?}}
{{KrytenKoro|It would, but it would require Nomura to be a fairly bad liar.}}

Or that we really suck at translating.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 15:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

{{HikariKH|sky=Unless my translator is wrong, the interview says VANITA'S Keyblade. When translated to portuguese, it becomes something like this:

 'a recompensa quando derrotou sentimento de vanitas, tem sido capaz de obter a keyblade de vanitas'. 

If translated back to english, it says 'the reward when defeating Vanita's Sentiment, is to be able to obtain Vanita's Keyblade'.}}

{{ST|text= so why is this fact not allowed in the article?}}

#Because half of the edits so far have been the false "Vanitas's Sentiment's Keyblade"
#Because the other half have been a newsflash-type "It has recently been confirmed" style of thing, that is completely pathetic for a wiki article like this.
#Because we don't have any stats or actual information to put up ''besides'' a newsbyte. We have no idea who can weild it, whether its design will differ between users, nothing.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:37, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Even if we get the sentiments keyblade, I don't see why we would need a page split, after all, what difference (other than color) is there between the two? I mean, the one is based on the other, Roxas' oathkeeper is a different shade of silver than Sora's but that's in the trivia section, not another article for both.[[Special:Contributions/65.184.80.86|65.184.80.86]] 11:12, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

== Protect ==

{{LA|Vtext=A wild SPAMMER appeared!

Go, ADMIN!

ADMIN, use PROTECT!

...please. The only contributions to this page have been "Vanitas's Keyblade is obtainable", and they've all been reverted for obvious reasons. I think the time has come.}}

{{LA|Vtext=Again... the page is getting nothing but undo revisions of this. Can we protect it?}}

== Page Changes ==

{{EO|time=16:05, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Would a staffer either change the protection level of the page or remove the Unreleased template, replacing it with the Translation one?}}

== Keyblade's name ==

In the English version, the Keyblade is supposed to be gained from defeating Vanitas Sentiment, then we may know what name the Keyblade was bestowed. - --BoRadiant 14:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

We will just have to wait till the release. Which will be 2 weeks from now.
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 Is it all right if I upload an image of this keyblade?
-Yes, just as long as it isn't fan made and it's a good, clear image.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:37, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
+Yes, just as long as it isn't fan made and it's a good, clear image.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:37, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 Okay, I'm going to upload this one. Is it okay?--[[User:LegoAlchemist|LegoAlchemist]] 23:29, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
-[[File:Void Gear (Vanitas) KHBBS.png]]
+[[ File:Vanitas's Keyblade KHBBS.png]]
 But of course.
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 Even if we get the sentiments keyblade, I don't see why we would need a page split, after all, what difference (other than color) is there between the two? I mean, the one is based on the other, Roxas' oathkeeper is a different shade of silver than Sora's but that's in the trivia section, not another article for both.[[Special:Contributions/65.184.80.86|65.184.80.86]] 11:12, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
-{{ST|text=Hooray, it's monochrome. I win!}}
-::Dammit, Nomura![[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
-:::{{RN867|time=1:14am|ven= lol but nomura did say he would use "his" keyblade :P}}
-{{WB|Ven=I knew it! But I really have to say that I was looking forward to the colored version instead of the monochrome one! But we can't argue with Nomura! Monochrome it is!}}
-{{ST|text=@Roxnick, actually, i'll give kryten this, when properly translated nomura does say that you specifically get Vanitas' keyblade, making no mention of the Spirit. but i still win :)(sorry i hardly ever win so im really taking it in right now)}}
 == Protect ==
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 In the English version, the Keyblade is supposed to be gained from defeating Vanitas Sentiment, then we may know what name the Keyblade was bestowed. - --BoRadiant 14:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
-We will just have to wait till the release. Which will be 2 weeks from now.[[User:Edgeshadow|Edgeshadow]]
+We will just have to wait till the release. Which will be 2 weeks from now.
-== Void Gear, hmmm... ==
-{{WB|Vanitas=I'm just asking, when and where did you guys got this name? Is it official? Again, I'm just asking.}}
-{{Xabryn|text=Yes it was confirmed on the Guide see [[Talk:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep#Some Stuff From the Guide|this]] for more information}}
-{{Edgeshadow|time=07:28, September 2,2010|talk=Here in this guide}}
-[[http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee366/ZGCyberman65/IMG_20100901_202257.jpg]]
-== Question about unlocking this Keyblade ==
-Do you need to beat Vanitas Lingering Spirit with all of the characters to get it for each, or will one do. (i have the same question with the Ultima Weapon and No Name--[[User:SamusTheHedgehog|SamusTheHedgehog]] 01:29, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
-:Just one, for each. Each character gets it, and you only have to beat the people once in each save file.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:24, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
-== Vanitas's Keyblade ==
-we have no true confirmation that "void gear" is the name of vanitas's keyblade. yes we know the name is void gear for vanitas lingering spirit, but not for vanitas himself. i suggest we leave the two separate until someone hacks vanitas's keyblade and finds out what his keyblade's true name is.[[Special:Contributions/75.164.124.42|75.164.124.42]] 11:55, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
-:That's true to an extent, but when talking about it, Nomura just called this "Vanitas's Keyblade", indicating that they are the same thing.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 13:05, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
-::Not exactly, nomura said you get "his keyblade" IIRC[[Special:Contributions/75.164.124.42|75.164.124.42]] 22:19, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
-:::No, he didn't. He said "Vanitas's Keyblade". Can you read Japanese?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:25, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Maybe a link to the interview would be best to settle this argument, though i saw a discussion about it in KHi once but they themselves weren't able to cnfirm it when it wasn't released yet.[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 22:35, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::....we already covered this above this discussion. KHinsider doesn't have rigorous translations. Nomura explicitly says "Vanitas's Keyblade". Anybody who can read Japanese could spot the line in a second.23:50, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Again, a link would be best. i simply can't take yours and the other IP's word for it.[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 23:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::Scroll up. The link is in a section above this one ("Vanitas's Sentiment's Keyblade obtainable in NA!").{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:05, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::::I guess this is all from people who haven't beaten VR. He drops a Keyblade called Void Gear. I have it equip to Ven.--Evnyofdeath 00:16, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
-You don't need to "guess" if you read the discussion. It's a debate over whether Vanitas' Keyblade (the red and black one) shares this name or not.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:19, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::this really didn't confirm if this is vanitas's keyblade, just vanitas sentiment.....[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 08:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
-Except Nomura never calls it "Vanitas's Sentiment/Remnant/Lingering Spirit's Keyblade". He specifically calls it "Vanitas's Keyblade". This is just the Remnant's version.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}08:35, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
-again i would like to ask for a source and a quote. it's not so easy trusting information when theres no source. i can't take your word for it unless you bring something reliable[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 10:42, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-That and "Void" gear fits thematically with Vanitas' name.[[Special:Contributions/66.56.199.131|66.56.199.131]] 12:21, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
-Dude, this is annoying ME. What, do you think they made this up? If multiple people have translated the line as "Vanitas's Keyblade," then it's obvious that Nomura thought that considering the Remnant's weapon a 2nd Keyblade would have been splitting hairs. If you doubt the validity of the translation, you can translate it yourself online.[[Special:Contributions/75.195.159.118|75.195.159.118]] 11:37, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-::but how do i know they're saying that just to end the conversation. don't you think itt should've been easier to end if they brought the quote with them rather than just them saying it? it's too difficult to trust information like that.[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 12:01, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Here's what you do:
-#READ THE BLOODY DISCUSSION JUST UP THE PAGE WE KEEP POINTING YOU AT.
-#LEARN JAPANESE YOUR OWN DAMN SELF BEFORE TELLING US WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO TRANSLATE SIMPLE WORDS.
-[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 12:55, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-i only see two in english>[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 14:33, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-::yeah you guys aren't being too specific. you guys barely mention about the sections.[[Special:Contributions/144.90.92.62|144.90.92.62]] 14:56, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:::LapisScarab gave the bloody name of the section. We've reminded you guys that this has already been covered four separate times. EVEN THEN, you should have read the talk page before starting this thread to see if your complaint was already covered. We've done every blasted thing short of coming to your house, loading the webpage on your PC, and shoving your face into it.
-:::But since I doubt even that would work, here's the content again:
-:::{{nihongo|[http://www.ff-reunion.net/kh/2010/06/25/khbbs_dengeki_nomura_interview "In addition, because there were many voices of dissatisfaction at the reward for defeating Vanitas's Sentiment, '''Vanitas's Keyblade''' can now be obtained."]|ほかには、ヴァニタスの思念を倒したときのごほうびが不満という声が多かったので、'''ヴァニタスのキーブレード'''を入手できるようになっていますね。}}
-:::Seriously, what the fricking hell.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:15, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Old discussion but still: The Memorial Ultimania makes a difference between Vanitas's Keyblade (ヴァニタスのキーブレード) and Void Gear (ヴォイドギア). --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 13:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
-::::::Out of curiosity, does it use the "'s Keyblade" construction for any of the Keyblades we have explicitly confirmed names for, like Sora's or Kairi's?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::It actually does, it's [http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/bbs_03.png "Master Eraqus' Keyblade (Master Keeper)"] and [http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/kh2_05.png "Kairi's Keyblade (Destiny Place)"], the rest seems to be named accordingly. Most of the scans can be found [http://www.khinsider.com/news/Kingdom-Hearts-Series-Memorial-Ultimania-Scans-4541 here], while the complete Keyblade section (where every Keyblade from the games is displayed) is not included, it seems I have to scan them myself. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
-::So that would make it seem as if Keychain names and "'s Keyblade" are not exclusive.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
-== design ==
-{{ST|text=think we should rework the design section to describe the version that that the player wields first, and then describe vanitas', or should we just keep it as is?}}
-::i think that's a good idea. keep it more gameplay-wise.[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 12:02, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
-{{JFHavoc|time=15:22, September 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=The description for the remnant's version is pretty brief, and the description of the one the real Vanitas uses pretty much covers it. I don't necessarily think we need to change it, but if everyone else wants to it's fine by me.}}
-== Japanese name. ==
-Since this page cannot be edited; in Final Mix the name of the blade is called "ヴォイドギア" which mostly translates into "Void Gear".
-[[User:1stkirbyever|1stkirbyever]] 07:14, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
-:Could you give us a screenshot, for the sake of completeness?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 07:17, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
-::Sure, here it [http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/295/snap032wh.png is]. --[[User:1stkirbyever|1stkirbyever]] 08:19, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
-==Too big==
-The image extends the box for it. We should upload a smaller version. {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 21:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
-:Just add "size=200px" to the infobox. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
-== Re:coded ==
-I'm confused.  Vanitas's Void Gear was in Re:coded?  Was it removed content of some sort?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 00:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-:It was an Avatar Part, like Jungle King. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:00, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-::Ah, gotcha.  :)  Thanks.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 02:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
-:::No problem. If you have any further questions, please, just come to me. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:26, 5 September 2016 (UTC)