Editing Talk:Vexen

==Quotes==

We have too many, and its starting to make the page look unorganized. I think we should limit the number of non-battle quotes down to the 5-10 most significant quotes. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 23:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. There's probly still a bit too many but I battled him recently and I left the ones I remember hearing.-[[User:Xnaminex|xnaminex]]

{{TNE|text=Okay. That looks well done. :)}}

{{HeartFallout|time=05:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Why would we need to limit the amount of quotes? It looks pretty good.}}

Put in the "I'm a scientist" quote! I can't remember it! --[[Special:Contributions/68.190.210.240|68.190.210.240]] 06:17, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Top of the article. It's been there for a while.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:blue;">Lapis</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:orange;">Scarab</span>]]''''' 06:26, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Clones? ==

I'm not sure Vexen should be included as a member with the ability to create clones. The other members with cloning abilties are able to do this natually and in battle, while Vexen can't make clones in battle and quite possibly needs some sort of machine to do this. Any comments?
-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{SLM|time=05:24, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=They are not clones, they are replicas, and yes he does use a machine to replicate himself and used the same machine to create the Riku Replica.}}

== Voice Acting and 358/2 Days ==

Is Derek Stephen Prince coming back to voice?

Is Vexen a partner of Roxas in 358/2 Days?

[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 22:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

My Question is:  Is there a pic of him from 358/2 Days?

{{TNE|blahtext=I'm not sure about Derek Stephen Prince. And, if Demyx and Xaldin can be partners of Roxas in Days, why not Vexen ?

As for pix... I thought there was one put up here not very long ago ?}}

To answer your third question, yes there is. It just showed up today.

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/days/

And that's not all, higher quality pics of Zexion and Marluxia too. The only ones that are left are Xemnas and Saix. And when are you guys gonna put up that higher quality pic of Xaldin? [[User:Winxfan1|Winxfan1]] 11:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

== Shields ==

So his shields' names are a mix of ice things, science things, and Bavarian rivers? The hell?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:Mindel is also the name of a glacial period, according to Wikipedia. Günz is...unfathomable. It's a tributary to the Danube, so I tried looking that up, but the Danube almost never freezes over so...I have absolutely no idea.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 04:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Er, well, the Danube ''is'' a mountain river, but this is still way too convoluted for me to take it seriously.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 04:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Why would all of his shields have to be icy?  Maybe this shield has nothing to do with ice. [[User:Guardian Soul|Guardian Soul]] 04:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:We're not saying that, it's just...suddenly, there are two Bavarian rivers in there. We're just trying to justify how ''random'' it is.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 04:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Mindel gave it's name to a glacial period, so it has to be related to that.[[User:Guardian Soul|Guardian Soul]]
::Gunz, Mindel, and Wurm are all Bavarian rivers which gave their names to periods of glaciation. Weird.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Something I'm confused about ==

{{Webuiltthecross|text=I haven't played Chain of Memories and I'm wondering why Axel killed Vexen. Was it because Vexen kept failing?|time=22:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)}}
:Read the article. There's a reason we all wrote it, you know.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 22:38, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Vexen was not suppose to be killed, it's all fault of Axel, he was thinking that Vexen want to betray the organisation like Marluxia and the others.--[[User:Hotdragon 295|Hotdragon 295]] 01:54, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
:-Facepalm- try reading the article. No wait, I'll just tell ya. Marluxia told Axel to "Elimanate the Traitor." and was refering to Vexen. Axel had been baiting him into saying this so he could take advantage of the order. Axel then killed Vexen and returned, and was accepted by Marluxia and Larxene into their plan. Next we see Axel taking advantage of Maluxia's order to elimate the traitor to turn on him and try and kill him. THAT is why Axel killed Vexen. --Evnyofdeath 20:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but you're pretty late, Envyofdeath. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}}
:You think I don't know that? So what, admins are allowed to post late responses but normal users like me aren't? Thats the only reason I can think of when admins do this and DON'T get called out like that. --Evnyofdeath 20:18, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Take it easy, I wasn't trying to insult. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}}

== Vexen can Vex ==
Should it be added that ''Vex'' means to disturb and annoy in little ways, and that, ironically, Vexen does so to most fans? Or should that be left out due to it being opinion?--[[Special:Contributions/72.240.185.120|72.240.185.120]] 23:29, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I'm pretty sure many people find Vexen annoying, but that's a personal opinion unless it is confirmed that he is annoying!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:32, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I love Vexen.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:24, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Me too. But he creeps me out!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:29, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

"I'm a scientist. Experiments are what I do, yeeessssss......." [[User:JudgmentDay95]]

It's quite ironic. I used to have not hatred, but a strong dislike, for Vexen. Then I realized he'd be the only character I was good at in Days for a long time XD - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 01:33, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but everytime he looks at you, it's like he want to take out your internal organs and experiment on it. Creepy.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:38, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, if I had half of my being ripped out of me and was forced to live the rest of my days as a demented shell, I'd go nuts as well. [[User:JudgmentDay95]]

I'll be fine with it, actually. Though, I still want to feel happiness and joy, of course. I can get Vexen, but Xaldin is one of the members that I don't get very well. He's very complex.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

I have a comment to make on this segment:
"Ironically, Vexen's throne is the lowest of the Organization in their meeting chamber known as Where Nothing Gathers. This is mostly due to his recurring incompetence and preference of not sullying his hands like Zexion, though the latter can easily hold his own in battle. This also reinforces the trait of cowardice in Vexen, displayed through his fear of Xemnas and his fear of death."

This contradicts what was stated in the article for the Castle That Never Was:

"Tetsuya Nomura himself has stated in an interview that the height of each throne is just a gameplay mechanic.

-During the meetings, the members of Organization XIII are sitting in chairs. Is the height of these chairs determined by things like their skills and abilities?
Nomura: No, the height of the chairs is not fixated, they move. That is to say, the height is up to each person. The leader, Xemnas, is always the highest and to be at the same height as him would have a pretty bad feeling, so the other members wouldn't do that. (laughs)" 

Although I'm not saying that Vexen definitely isn't one of the most least-respected members in the organization. :P It is interesting to think that he chooses for his throne to be the lowest, especially considering that he is so fixated on numbers and ranks. Hmmm.

Maybe the others were faster and when he was chosing everybody was sitting :) - Jurrak

{{HeartFallout|time=05:52, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. It's great for trivia}}

== Can it not be argued... ==

That Vexen indirectly caused the Organization's downfall?  His Replica program created Xion, the death of whom caused Roxas to run back to try and free Kingdom Hearts.  This results in Roxas' capture, proceed to merge with Sora, and boom, Sora goes ahead and kills Organization XIII.[[Special:Contributions/173.79.58.137|173.79.58.137]]

== About the Replica Program ==

I am wondering: did Vexen directly create Xion? In the article, it simply says that he supervised over the Replica program, but his Secret Reports make it sound as though he created Xion himself, as he did with the Riku Replica ("No. i, my finest replica"). Should this be included, or is it unimportant? [[Special:Contributions/173.58.106.138|173.58.106.138]] 01:35, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

== The Weakest Link ==

{{Organization 13|happy=Imagine if in Chain of Memories before Axel killed Vexen he said "You are the Weakest Link, goodbye." See what I did there? Links in a chain... Ah? Ah? =D.}}

{{No.1xemnas|xemnashappy=Very observant of you.You're ammusing.}}

{{Organization 13|happy=Thank you. =D}}

== Nachi Nozawa is dead. ==

{{Maggosh|nathan=No, this is not irrelevant. [http://www.finalfantasy.net/final-fantasy-vii/crisis-core-final-fantasy-vii/31-10-2010/yasutomo-nachi-nozawa-19382010/ Vexen's Japanese VA died] - on Halloween, no less. Shame I missed this. ;_;}}

{{Bananaphone|sad=Aw, this is terrible. Nobody else can give an creepy laugh like Nachi Nozawa. His laugh gives me nightmares. Guess it's good that Vexen seems unlikely to return.}}

== Speculation? ==

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 22:09, August 6, 2010 (UTC)|luxord="This is mostly due to his recurring incompetence and preference of not sullying his hands like Zexion, though the latter can easily hold his own in battle."

I think this is a tad speculative on Vexen's part, at least in regards to his perceived competence (and honestly I wouldn't say he's incompetent myself). Given that he's the lead scientist and most of his efforts were to research the complexities of the heart, the Replica Program, and other such things isn't it more likely that his low rank in the Organization is due to how he just... doesn't get many missions? Because his focus lies elsewhere?

Granted, ''that's'' speculative on my part. Thus, discussion.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)|default=Members of the Organization often refer to Vexen's competence, mentioning how he must "prove himself" or reference his [lack of] prowess in battle. That's why the article is written like that.}}

==Derek Stephen Prince's podcast?==
Kingdom Hearts World apparently has an interview with Derek Stephen Prince, [http://kingdomheartsworld.net/podcast/StevePrinceInterview.mp3 you can listen to it here.] Make what you will of it. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 19:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

That's cool. I'll have a listen to it tomorrow, but is there any neat information in the interview?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
{{TNE|time=12:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)|text=Having listened to it, I can gather these:

*When Prince recorded a lot of the stuff he was doing, HE RECORDED VEXEN'S VOICE IN A CAR. He recorded it in a laptop to a pre-amp, connected to a mic with a pop shelter, and that is basically the garage version. He also did a lot of audition stuff in his car. HE AUDITIONED FOR KINGDOM HEARTS THAT WAY. (They obviously wanted the best people to VA, and there were 887-odd VAs auditioning for Vexen -- he beat them all by simply recording in his car.)
*When asked "Where did you draw inspiration for Vexen," he said a lot of Vexen is there for the Japanese version. The original VA wasn't high and mighty according to Prince, but rather had a calm and educated voice, but could be maniacal if he wanted to. Now the producers didn't want Vexen to have an accent -- they simply wanted Vexen to be American -- but Prince decided to throw in some (Tim Curry???) in there. Flamboyance was what he went for.
*He ''did'' try Re:Chain of Memories and couldn't get into it. He couldn't get past the first world (Traverse Town)...
*Even (whom he also voiced) didn't have as much an impact on him as Vexen did, to the point that Prince doesn't remember Even at all. He was only in recording Even's lines for an hour, as opposed to five hours per day on Vexen -- where he really got involved. He found Even "a little less flamboyant" and "not as intellectual". He, too, believes that the writers could have done more with the apprentices, but knows that the challenge faced by the writers is to focus on the Disney stuff, which the kids can most relate to.

So that's what I gathered.
}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Wow, that's interesting! And it seems like Kingdom Hearts World did an interview with Zexion's VA, too, Mr. Vincent Corazza, too. :D You know, some wikis put stuff like how VAs (or TV/movie actors) think about their characters and how they auditioned for it and stuff in their trivia sections. I think it'd be fun to mention stuff like that.}}
{{TNE|time=22:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)|happytext=That is the purpose of trivia after all. I think it'd be fun.

I heard from the grapevine here on the wiki, several years ago, that of all the VAs, Quinton Flynn was the most approachable of all of them. If the podcast gets revived (and is done on UTC for once!), perhaps getting an interview with him might be fun?}}
{{KrytenKoro|This would all be great info for a Development section.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=You know, you're right! :D The FFWiki does the same thing with their characters, and they have been listening to the interviews because I see them update the ''Type-0'' characters' creation/development sections! Also, Mr. Prince mentioned that, like, over 800 (???) people auditioned for Vexen! I need to go listen to the Zexion's interview tomorrow!}}

== "Vexen secretly collects Roxas's memories" ==

"While Roxas continues to explore Twilight Town, Vexen secretly collects Roxas's memory of the town as data. "

Source that Vexen was lying in CoM?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

== At the end ==

Is there any confirmation that Vexen regains his heart after the final battle? The edit that put it on his page says that he no longer has yellow eyes during the end scene, but that has nothing to do with whether he is a Nobody or complete person. The yellow eyes were just signifying that they had a piece of Xehanort's heart in them; otherwise, the original Organization XIII would all have had yellow eyes from the start. So his green(edit) eyes now would just be a sign that he is no longer a vessel for Xehanort, which would make sense since Xehanort is officially gone now. Unless there was something I missed? [[User:Sirlionel13|Sirlionel13]] ([[User talk:Sirlionel13|talk]]) 00:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

His eyes were green, not blue. [[User:CrinosWolf500|CrinosWolf500]] ([[User talk:CrinosWolf500|talk]]) 00:29, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

:My mistake, fixed it. Question still stands, though [[User:Sirlionel13|Sirlionel13]] ([[User talk:Sirlionel13|talk]]) 00:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

::Points in favour of being Even instead of Vexen in the ending: Saix faded away, and when Isa returned, he lacks ‘Nort’s signature yellow eyes or pointed ears (I think the implication is that it triggered some sort of “purge”). Xigbar didn’t fade like the others, and when he appears in the epilogue, he ''does'' have them. Then again, Xigbar’s situation is unique, so… ''[[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]]'' '''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]''' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 11:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)