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== Can't Wait ==

I can't wait for this to come out! It will be so cool! I'm gonna get it even if I have to order it from Japan & learn Japanese to play it!

[[User:Haku711|Haku711]] 14:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Holy Crap! ==
Ven is Sora/Roxas's Unbirth!

We don't even know what an Unbirth is.... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]]
It was just a theory, a nobody is something without the body, the heartless someone without a heart, and an unbirth is someone without soul
:I think that sora met ven when he was young and that this encounter was so significant that sora's nobody took his form. [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself 123</font>''']] 12:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|blahtext=If Ven is Sora's Unbirth, and you say that Sora could've encountered Ven, these two theories contradict each other ! An Unbirth is the opposite of human life, as described by Nomura, and if Ven were Sora's Unbirth (and there's a high possibility that he is, because he told Terra in the trailer, "You're my friend, right ? Erase me"), then Ven has to die for Sora to be born.}}

Perhaps Ven is a unbirth its possible since the erase me line. Also possibly what master Xehanort is referring to when he remembers his true self he'll lose something, that could probably is exisitence to live, since unbirth sorta don't look exactly of intelligence where as heartless and nobodies could become much higher up in their chain aka Xehanort's heartless and Organization XIII, so maybe he is an unbirth that has someone been able to exist when he remembers or whatever he'll lose his existence I dunno just pitching

== A Theory ==

Perhaps Ven, Aqua, and Terra are the ones who brought Kairi to Destiny Islands so no one would find her? --[[User:Vatek|Vatek]] 01:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=No... I do remember that in one of Ansem's Secret Reports, Xehanort, while banishing Ansem the Wise from Radiant Garden (later called Hollow Bastion), '''''he''''' sent Kairi to the Destiny Islands.}}

Yes it does say that, but how did he send her there? It could just be that he used Terra,Ventus and Aqua to bring her there. [[Special:Contributions/82.136.203.25|82.136.203.25]] 19:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=It doesn't say so in the report. It could be what you say, or... it could be that he sent her through the Corridors of Darkness. Besides, if Ven were Sora's Unbirth as it is highly possible, Ven wouldn't have lived to bring Kairi to the Destiny Islands - because he '''did''' say to Terra, "You're my friend, right ? Erase me."

Also, we know that Terra, Ven and Aqua showed allegiance to Master Xehanort - the old Xehanort. How is it possible, then, that they could easily be swayed by the intentions of the new Xehanort and the rest of Ansem's apprentices ?}}

You keep quoting this "You're my friend, right? Erase me."  like it has meaning.  It could just as easily mean nothing at all, so putting weight on it when it has no place in a reply is a bit fruitless.  What does it mean or prove against the theory?  And as far as I'm aware, the Chaser Knights never show Xehanort any sort of allegiance, just that they were shocked when he turned on them.[[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 06:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Im new to this site n idc if people dont like theories or whatnot but here's wat i think idt Ven is a unbirth nobody or anythin i think hes a human just like Terra n Aqua because Keybladers need a strong heart to wield a Keyblade right?(besides Roxas because hes Sora's nobody) n i think Xion is related to Aqua not Kairi but thats a guess i think Ven is related to Sora idk how mayb second cousin through marriage lol uncle grandpa somethin like that but that would be y Roxas looks like Ven n i think Riku is related to Aqua n a similiar way n that Ven n Aqua r romantically involved making Sora n Riku related too or y they're related mayb im goin in cirles or not makin sense but i think i've got thepoint through XD[[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 08:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|text=If you're saying that Ven isn't the Unbirth of Sora and one needs a strong heart to wield the Keyblade, but Roxas as Sora's Nobody can wield the Keyblade, then you're contradicting yourself and not getting any point through.

And by the way, if Ven had a family tie with Sora, it shouldn't make Sora's Nobody look distinctly like Ven - faces change as the generations pass. If you say that Ven is a family member of Sora's, '''how''' then is it possible that Roxas looks like Ven ?}}

Roxas can wield the Keyblade just because he's Sora's nobody hes the exception to the rule bsides mayb Xion theyr the only ones who can do it n thats prolly becuz Xion is the nobody of Aqua but besides the nobodies of Keybladers the Keyblade(s) will choose a strong heart right? thats wat Tetsuya Nomura said so thats y i think that Terra,Ven, and Aqua have to be humans and some theories say that Sora had a very eventful moment with Ven which is y his nobody looks like him so theres no reason to say if he was related to Sora then he shouldnt llook like Roxas because if he's someone real important to Sora like say his "much older brother" then thats y Sora's nobody would look like him lol well at least thats my guess btw how did u do tha thing where u have an avatar and a speech bubble? [[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 18:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|text=I'll hit you at your talk page for the talk bubble. Can't crowd the discussion here.

Nomura was right in saying so, but that would also mean that the Unbirths of a complete human being will have the ability to wield the Keyblade. Right ? Nobodies and Unbirths are incomplete beings.

As for Xion, methinks she '''might''' be Aqua's Nobody. Or I don't know---- and there's another theory which states that Terra is Xehanort. If that is true, and Xemnas reacted well to Xion's introduction in 358/2 Days, then, yes.

Mmmmm, the tension is brewing. Meanwhile, just a favour from you : please write in complete sentences, along with full stops and commas and stuff ! I have a hard time reading through all those words.}}

Unbirth's are the opposit of human life so would they be Human Death? so Unbirth's should be created when Someone dies mayb so if that is true how Could Ven be Sora's unbirth when Sora is like 5. Plus it's still the Heart thing and Ven wields Way to The Dawn the Keyblade of Twilight which goes to a strong Heart just like Kingdom Key and Darkside and Unbrith's cant have hearts because they're death. besides why does everyone now have to be a nobody or unbirth or heartless? Why cant anyone just be human? [[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 23:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|text=Think for a moment there. Terra saw Sora and Riku training '''alone'''. Not with Ven. Ven and Terra were seen standing on Destiny Islands together too, no doubt - but what is this "Erase me ?" Only an Unbirth would ask of that to live. If a human like you and me were to ask this, we'd actually be deemed weak-hearted because we've lost the will to live ! With someone like Ven, it's a different case : "Erase me." And he wields the Keyblade. Surely there's an underlying purpose.

It's in Birth By Sleep that Nomura wanted to introduce the very first enemies - the Unbirths, and just like there were humanoid Heartless (Xehanort), humanoid Nobodies (the Organization XIII), there has to be humanoid Unbirths, right ? And then again, not everyone is a Nobody/Unbirth/Heartless. I was only applying this to Ven. Terra and Aqua, methinks they're normal.}}

Yeah Terra saw Sora and Riku training alone but five years later than Ven's story? i doubt it but if your theory is right that Ven is Sora's unbirth then Sora would appear because Ven dies then wouldnt that mean that people can only be born if their unbirth counterpart die? i dont really see that being a part of the story or makin sense later because the Unbirth are wiped out. Maybe Ven and Aqua are Sora's and Riku's parents and Sora and Riku are brothers without even knowing it lol wouldn't that be a crazy twist.[[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 08:27, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|text=That isn't plausible, because if Ven and Aqua were, in fact, Sora's parents, then there'd be some hereditary characteristics. Roxas resembles Ven but Sora and Riku bear no resemblance to Aqua at all !}}

Riku bears plenty resemblance to Aqua and Sora obviously bears a resemblance to Ven and there's way you can deem whats plausible and whats not we dont know enough details yet almost any theory's out in the open[[Special:Contributions/71.37.129.103|71.37.129.103]] 03:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|blahtext=Try to make some sense... Terra and Ven witness Sora and Riku training. '''''Of course''''' from there we can deem what's plausible !

And by the way, take one more good look at the current two trailers for Birth By Sleep and see what you can grasp from it.}}

== Complete Chain ==

I guess this isn't the place for theories. However, no one                           seems to mind and this is good place to get an information feedback. I think the chain goes like this.

Sora = Heart
Roxas = Body
Ven = Spirit

I think the reason Roxas looks like Ven is because the body without the heart bases its appearance on the soul. I believe that soul is Ven. I think Ven is the spirit of Sora and Roxas when they are both dormant or asleep. Ven was somehow able to return    to the past and that is the reason why his identity is so hidden. The only thing that I am thinking of right now that contradicts this the appearance of Sora and Riku on destiny island, and the conversation with Terra and Master Xehanort about Ven's Heart. There's also something about Ven loosing something, but I can't guess what that is. Though its probably the heart. There is another theory about Ven being an Unbirth and in order to be born he has to be erased first. In either case I think this would complete a chain for the three. [[User:Outlaw630|Outlaw630]] 23:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

You're quite right - it could be that Ven is an Unbirth. There's evidence, really : in one of the Birth By Sleep trailers which I actually did see on YouTube (along with subs), there's a clip where Ven is standing with Terra, and says something which goes like "You're my friend, right ? Erase me."
[[User:Troisnyxetienne|Troisnyxetienne]] 10:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Alright. So we know that Sora has turned into a Heartless, and he has a Nobody, and we can deduce that Ven is Sora's Unbirth. In that case, Kairi lost her heart (but didn't turn into a Heartless) ; she has a Nobody - could it be that Aqua is Kairi's Unbirth, OR... could it be that Kairi doesn't have an Unbirth because while she lost her heart, she was still alive, albeit in a comatose state ?}}

Could everyone get off this Ven=Sora's unbirth and Aqua=Kairi's unbirth. This takes place ten years before Kingdom Hearts when both Sora and Kairi were already ALIVE(human life, not the opposite an unbirth).

== Ven's Keyblade ==
besides the hand-guard looking like the Kingdom Key, aren't the teeth arranged in more or less the same fashion as on the Two Across keyblade?[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 07:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


{{TNE|text=Yes, more or less the same fashion, except that the teeth on the Two Across are spiky while the teeth on Ven's Keyblade are straight.}}



There is another possibility that Ven's Keyblade could be a fake, other than that it doesn't have any keychains, that if you look the Birth By Sleep Video where Ven fell off the cliff after incased in ice by Master Xehanort, the tip of the keyblade breaks at the side of the cliff. This scene further strengthen my speculation of his keyblade, besides, ain't a keyblade supposed to be a magical weapon that cannot be broken by any ordinary circumstances? But this is my theory of course.[[User: RanD0m Us3r|RanD0m Us3r]] 8:39, 5 May 2009 (PHIL)

{{TNE|text=Hm... well Terra's Keyblade has no chain but is virtually unbreakable.}}

Well Ven is the only known keyblader to be almost completely frozen, '''including his keyblade'''. The remnats of the key could of been forged into Two Across, but only in theory-[[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]] 13:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Random Ven Theory ==

Everybodies got one.So,I decided to throw mine into the mix.

Sora=Roxas=Ven?

There are a few explanations here.One common one is that Ven is either Sora or Roxas's Unbirth.We don't exactly know what an Unbirth is yet,but this is the most likely.

What my theory is:
This story takes place 10 years before,so possibly,Ven could be Sora's Older Brother,and his appeareance just passed on to Sora's nobody Roxas.An add-on for this theory is that Aqua is Kairi's,and Terra is Rikku's older sibling.Eh,consider it crack if you want.

As for his Keyblade,maybe it was the Kingdom Key's '''original''' form,before it even had a keychain!!
:Family means nothing in KH. Although i assumed that Terra was Sora's relative, as was Ven. :) i hope its true. Good keyblade theory, i have to agree. Let's just wait and see !--Zack fair 007 00:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Wow. Honestly, I never thought of it that way before because Terra looks almost nothing like Riku... or does he ?}}

I think Ven is Sora's older brother and that Aqua is Riku's relative and Terra is Xehanort aka Xehanort's Heartless aka Xemnas[[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 23:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{Twoface13|That's a good theory. That brings up this question, though. Is it possible Xehanort's Heartless used Riku as a host for a different reason than we think? If Terra is Riku's brother '''''and''''' Xehanort, then perhaps Xehanort's heartless wanted to use his own brother's body.But if that's the case,then how could Sora have fought Terra as the [[Lingering Sentiment]]?|}}

{{TNE|blahtext=Still going on the physical resemblance ? I think you should look deeper than that, Romeo$Joker.}}

==Another Theory==
I'm gonna take a crack at this. Ven might be the son of the ruler of Destiney Islands, so that if he died, roxas would of took on that form to feel honorable, which could also further explane the fact that roxas holds two keyblades willingly, because he has the soul and body of a keybearer[[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]]

{{TNE|text=If he were the son of the mayor of Destiny Islands that might make him the (half-)sister of Kairi - which is highly impossible. And how sure are we that the mayor of Destiny Islands was a keybearer himself ?}}

Where does it say, anywhere, that Kairi is the daughter of the DI mayor?  Even if she "is" she was sent there by Ansem, and therefore wouldn't be related anyway.[[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 06:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|blahtext=Obviously not a biological daughter of the DI mayor (that I know), but the level of affection given to Kairi would most probably be similar to that of a biological daughter - think about it. Also, I said '''half'''-sister. I should be '''''implying''''' something.}}

''Monstro flashback''
Sora:"Sure but isn't there anything to do now?Hey, you know that new girl at the Mayor's  house?
''Monstro flashback over''
Also VEN? SISTER?
{{XionXIV|time=05:15, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|hooded=Somehow...I feel like in the beginning of kh2 when he says,"He looks a lot like you..."I feel like he is talking about Ven...I dunno...but it just somehow,fell from my technolgy world sky...}}

==Roxas and Sora==
I'm a little annnoyed at the appearence of [[Ven]]. I mean, what were they thinking? "Hey, I've got a great idea for Ven! Roxas' head, Sora's clothes a grey color, with some armor! I think It's a perfect idea!" It's like giving Kairi grey hair and some armor and calling her a different person! I just don't like it.[[User:Master of Valor|Master of Valor]] 23:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Well, in that case, you shouldn't like Xion... I don't find anything wrong with Ven - and anyway, consider that it took place like, some ten years ago - so just put that thought in your head : back then they didn't have great armor, not like today.}}

well everyone is entitled to their own opinion lol but i think Ven is pretty cool and he looks like Roxas for a reason and he gets Way to The Dawn left-handed and backwards pretty cool eh :-) [[User:Romeo$JoKer|Romeo$JoKer]] 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Romeo$Joker

{{TNE|text=Yeah, I think so too... but fandom is strictly limited to fandom.}}


== The Connection ==

I think I've found the connection between Ven and Sora; Roxas. It's been comfirmed that Ven went to Destiny Islands. I think that a 4-year-old Sora saw Ven when he was at Destiny Islands, Sora saw Ven as an amazing hero, and wanted to be just like him, which started the sword fights and rivalery with Riku. Then, 10 years later, when Sora turned into Nobody, since Nobodies rely so much on memories, Sora's Nobody took the form of the idoliziong hero from Sora's memory. A bit farfetched, but it could work.-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{Xiggie|text=That's very possible, I think :D

I think that it makes the most sense!

well, Ven could be Sora's unbirth, but we don't know what unbirts are, so... I am with you on this one :D}}

I mentioned somthing similar to that on Roxas's talk page. But i only mentioned that they had a significant encounter. [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself 123</font>''']] 19:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Really? Well, that could be. I at first thought they might have a father-son connection, but they never really encountered, plus Ven looks to young to be a dad. [[User:Charmed-Jay]] 28 February 2009

wow!i had exactly the same theory and i was ready to post it! thank god i looked to see if someone else had thought of this! good job anyway --[[Special:Contributions/94.71.181.110|94.71.181.110]] 17:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

HOLY SHIT xNamineX THAT IS AN AMAZING THEORY! KUDOS! --Zack fair 007 03:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|happytext=For once, I can't think of denying this theory.}}

'''ratchet247@yahoo.com''' '''wrote'''

i have been a kingdom hearts fan since the beginning and to me i think i know what is going to happen ok so here it goes.

i agree that ven is the unbirth of sora. so it would make sense that when sora lost his heart roxas would resemble ven since ven is either all of sora's soul or at least part of it.

(I know this is a bad place to put this but i need to put it all down at once or i might start forgetting)
When it comes to riku i believe that it could be possible that terra is his father.For that this explaination to make sense it should be noted that i do believe that Terra became Xenehort then Ansem Ok here is my logic. When Ansem came to riku to offer him power odds are riku excepted it because of the familiarity he felt. I also have a theory that Axel is one of probably many nobodies that riku has.  

Now for little Kairi i feel that if she has a connection to Aqua it might not be a sora/ven connection. Now for the whole Xion Namine situation i have a very bizzare theory but who knows it could be right. back in KH we saw kairi flirting with both riku and sora. so when kairi's nobody was created it split in two the side that enjoyed riku company and the one that enjoyed sora. So it would make sense that in the videos available Axel(as i pointed out being riku) was mostly seen alone with Xion and we saw Roxas alone with Namine alot in KH2. so those are my theories i am excited to hear from you guys and even the admins sorry in advance if there was a better place to put this rant

== Move ==
{{MM841||Should This be moved ot Ventus, since that is his full name.}}

{{Xiggie|text=I say we make a redirect from here to Ventus, so you get the same page wether you go to Ven or Ventus, ya?}}
{{MM841|15:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)|I say we move the page to Ventus and leave Ven as a redirect page. Ventus is his full name after all, we dont have a page named Elizabeth do we? No, we have a page named Elizabeth Swann.}}

{{Xiggie|text=Good point!

Ventus it is then

EDIT: I moved it, but then [[User:ILHI|ILHI]] changed it back and put Ventus up for deletion! Explain yourself ILHI!}}
{{ILHI|18:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)|You didn't move it. You copied and pasted the information. There are many reasons why that shouldn't be done: Most important being page history.}}

{{Xiggie|sad=of course, what was I thinking...

so sorry ILHl...}}

==Unbirth idea==

A Heart'''less''', is a heart embodied by darkness, right? A '''No'''body is a body with no heart. So an '''Un'''birth could mean a birth with out either a heart and body or a soul. I don't kno bout yall but Ven looks pretty solid to me and he does seem to be alive. Plus he could just be a warrior of light, like Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Kairi, Sora, etc. -[[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]] 14:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
{{Firaga44|text=who knows we don't know enough to find out}}

if he was an unbirth then wouldn't it be weird if he was fighting against them? then again, there was Roxas fighting the nobodies at the start of KHII...

oh great, yet another similarity between the two.lol--[[Special:Contributions/121.54.92.102|121.54.92.102]] 03:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Theory: Ven's true Identity ==

I have a theory about the true identity of Ven,

Due to similarities of appearance everyone seems to relate Ven to Roxas and therefore Sora, but in my opinion this is not necessarily the case. 

My theory is that Ven is a young version of Cloud Strife. 

First of all, they are both similar in appearance, also Ven is around 15 years of age in Birth by sleep, which is set ten years in the past, this would make sense as presumably the adult Cloud is in his mid twenties when he appears in KHI.

There are also similarities within the names, Ventus meaning air, and Cloud. 

Another key similarity is the weapons they use, Cloud seems to use over-the-top weaponry, e.g. the enormous buster sword, and the sword that splits into six seperate blades, as seen in advent children. And Ven's reversed keyblade is as Distinct as Cloud's choices of weaponry.

A fact we should remember is that the Cloud in the Kingdom Hearts series is not necessarily the same Cloud in Final Fantasy VII, so Ven could be a younger version of him.

Recently Square Enix has been focusing a lot on FFVII, especially Cloud,think about it, Advent children Crisis Core, they have even claimed that Lightning the protagonist of FFXIII is meant to be a female version of Cloud.

Also if Ven is a young Cloud, it may explain why Terra looks like Zack.

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Eeyeah... no. I can safely say that will not be the case. Thanks for the laugh though.}}

{{zackfair007|text=That's highly unlikely as KH OC's don't interfere with FF characters a lot. Trust me, it'll have to do with Sora and Roxas.}}

== Un-editable? ==

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=Uh... I tried to edit the table so all the information is where it needs to be, but I can't. It shows the markup for the old table, not the new one on the page}}

To me I just think that some part of Ven just went inside of Sora, and until that point when Sora stabbed himself with the Dark Keyblade his nobody was created and thats why Roxas looks like Ven. To me. =]

== ANOTHER theory >.> ==

Well Im personally going to go with Ven=Sora's Unbirth. As we know Unbirth's are supposed to be the opposite of human life, which does NOT say that they are death o.O Its possible that an Unbirth is a precursor to heartless and nobodies. We do not know when they came to existance but we KNOW Unbirths became extinct. If Unbirths are a form of physical prophecy, each being tied to a future nobody/heartless(as they do have some sort of connection we can assume) then it is reasonable that those that have Human NObodies could have human Unbirths. Given their mysterious nature maybe Unbirth's have Hearts afterall which is why they discuss Ven's; that or it was a misinterpretation on Terra's part because lets face it: protagonists tend to be clueless till the last second. 

On further note I believe Terra=Xehnohart(or however you spell it). Terra calls the bald man Master Xehanohart and as we know Xehnohart has no qualms about taking other's names, Terra couldve take his former's. In addition his very image looks like a younger Xehnohart. And he refer's to Aqua's armor as friend, and Terra is clearly a friend of Aqua.

Back to the main subject Terra and Ven's friendship could be the motivator for the event's of KH series. Wouldnt it be ironic if in the end the real reason to obtain the KH was to use it to resurrect his old friend?
[[Special:Contributions/24.113.53.171|24.113.53.171]] 06:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Zachariah


God I love theories, but stick to the page topic. No more theories. EVER! please its wasting space.

== Erase Me ==

{{KingdomHeartsFan|text=its very possible that when ven says "erase me" he is talking to aqua because one the silhouette resembles her and he speaks of "Friend" just like xemnas to aqua's armor and when terra is about to battle xehanort he speaks of a "friend" too.}}

{{JudgmentDay95|time=13:54 05 September 09 (UTC)|text=If I'm not mistaken, it was indeed Aqua.}}

== Keyblade Possibility ==

Is it possible that Ven already knew that Sora or Riku would become the next Keyblade Wielders?
--[[User:Charmed-Jay|Charmed-Jay]] 10:13, October 24, 2009 (UTC)