Editing Talk:Ventus-Vanitas

{{ST|text=when did this get seperated from vanitas' boss page}}
{{EO|time=18:51, August 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=According to KrytenKoro, because it is known as Ventus-Vanitas and such in the Ultimania, it counts as its own article.}}

==English video==

{{Sac|text=We need an English video on this page. If somebody finds one please put it here.}}

{{Sac|text=I see Xabryn added one. Thanks.}}
{{iZerox|time=05:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=May I propose that we rename this page Venitus? I just came up with that today and figured that's just as good a name for a fusion of them as any. Perhaps I've watched too much Dragonball Z. But I personally thought it was a great idea.}}
{{Maggosh|YMX=While it's a good idea, it's a fan-made name. The BbS Ultimania specifically has the kana for Ventus-Vanitas.}}

== Moving ==

{{EO|time=10:06, October 15, 2010 (UTC)|annoyed=I see no reason for a move. This guy does NOT have enough information for a character article, and we didn't create a separate article for Riku when he was possessed by Ansem (talking about ''KH1'', which is a case just like this, NOT Riku-Ansem).}}
{{KrytenKoro|[[Cerberus]]. We only create (Boss) articles ''when'' there is a separate character article.}}
{{SC|text=So... we should delete this page, and keep Ventus-Vanitas, so it goes with policy. Why was this forgotten?}}

== Perspective ==
This is a thing I've been wondering for some time: Were Vanitas & Ventus battling WHILE Aqua was fighting Ventus-Vanitas, or did that whole thing take place in the instant that Aqua broke the X-Blade? The two scenarios have vastly different implications.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 07:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

{{TalkSephiroth0812|time=08:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text= It's at the same time, as Vanitas says the union was ''not finished''. He wanted to ''complete'' the X-blade, not repair it. The thing was incomplete from the get-go because Ventus' mind resisted the forced fusion. Also shown with the half-half awakening platform, which indicates that while Vanitas managed to invade Ven's heart, he couldn't take it over completely. Keyblades, according to Nomura, all have an ''inner'' key and an ''outer'' key. The outer key (wielded by Ventus-Vanitas), looked complete, but the inner key (wielded by Vanitas inside the awakening) showed it was incomplete at the core. Vanitas had to split his attention and when Aqua broke the X-blade, it's inner incompleteness was revealed. Ventus-Vanitas collapsed and Vanitas focused all energy on the inside, destroying the awakening pillar and forcing a D-Link in order to now try to repair the damage Aqua had done ''and'' finally complete the weapon. When the X-blade sends out all those keyhole-shaped energy bursts that is when Ventus and Vanitas have their ''beam-o-war'' among the shattered debris of the awakening platform.}}

::That is a good point, but it is also possible that Vanitas realized after the X-Blade broke that something must have gone wrong from the beginning of the fusion. He also says, "The X-Blade shouldn't ''stay'' broken like this."[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 19:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

{{TalkSephiroth0812||time=22:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text=Possible, but unlikely, Vanitas was the one to initiate the forced fusion so he would notice immediately when something is off, not only when Aqua after a heated battle breaks the outer shell of the X-blade. He says the weapon should not ''stay'' broken indeed, but there he was referring to the inner key, which is ''broken'' from the very start because the fusion went partly awry due to Ventus resisting.}}
::So, I guess the message to take away from this is, "It isn't really said, but there's reason to believe they happen at the same time."[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 02:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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 {{TalkSephiroth0812||time=22:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text=Possible, but unlikely, Vanitas was the one to initiate the forced fusion so he would notice immediately when something is off, not only when Aqua after a heated battle breaks the outer shell of the X-blade. He says the weapon should not ''stay'' broken indeed, but there he was referring to the inner key, which is ''broken'' from the very start because the fusion went partly awry due to Ventus resisting.}}
 ::So, I guess the message to take away from this is, "It isn't really said, but there's reason to believe they happen at the same time."[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 02:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
-==Attack names==
-Here's the Ultimania page, thanks to KH13.com: [http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/sizes/1854-bbsu-070/large/] {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
-:*Renzokukiri (連続斬り) <lit. "Continuous Slash", poss. reference to [[Squall Leonhart]]>
-:*Warp Kirioroshi (ワープ斬り下ろし) <Kirioroshi is a specific Kendo technique, which literally translates to "cut-down">
-:*Dark Thundaga (ダークサンダガ)
-:*Shadow Dive (シャドウダイブ)
-:*Ultimate Charge (アルティメットチャージ)
-:*Grand Cross (グランドクロス)
-These can basically replace the current list ("Strike" == Renzokukiri; "Afterimage" + "Blizzaga jump" == Warp Kirioroshi; Dark Thundaga (duh); "Eruption" == Shadow Dive; "X-blade dash" == Ultimate Charge; "X-blade explosion" == Grand Cross"), except for the fireball, which is called Dark Firaga in his other battles. Is that still an attack he uses in this fight? (Also, "Sidestep" is not an attack by any metric.)  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
-:It may be a command, though. Do we want to rename these sections to "Commands" or "Techniques"? We're already including Cure in Vanitas Remnant, after all.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
-::We can make it "Techniques", but for the record, "Sidestep" is not listed as a distinct skill, while Vanitas Remnant's Curaga is.[http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/sizes/1873-bbsu-075/large/]  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)