Editing Talk:Vanitas Remnant

== Name ==
: Wouldn't this being's name be more accurately translated to Vanitas''''s''' Sentiment (that is, the Sentiment of Vanitas), since the Japanese name is "Vanitasu no Shinen"?--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 00:04, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think the name is okay. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 00:06, January 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

It isn't a question of opinion, "Vanitas's Sentiment" is a more accurate translation, at least I think so.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 00:25, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

You don't even know the correct name of this character so I might as put it like that. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 00:34, January 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

By "At least I think so" I meant that I didn't know if it was officially named "Vanitas Sentiment". "Vanitasu no Shinen" literally means "The Sentiment of Vanitas", thus, Vanitas's Sentiment.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 00:37, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

To make it gramatically correct it should be Vanitas' Sentiment.Correct, right?
 [[Special:Contributions/76.25.128.172|76.25.128.172]] 23:59, January 17, 2010 (UTC) Anonymous

:I would normally agree with you, but it's wiki policy to use "Vanitas's" and the like. Both forms are gramatically correct, but it was decided to use "s's" here.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 00:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

== Aqua? ==

{{Randomnessity|text=In the article it only mentions Aqua but I've seen Ven battling him so shouldn't it say Ven and Aqua?}}
Really? Could you link me a video because so far I have only seen aqua battling it.[[User:Xsonicdragon|Xsonicdragon]] 00:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
{{Randomnessity|text=The first thirty seconds isn't Ven, but the rest is.

Here you go.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyqO_PrTLf4]}}
{{BBB|time=01:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|happy=Well, from that video, it almost looks like even Terra can fight him aswell.}}
{{Randomnessity|text=Most likely, but he hasn't been seen yet, so until then...}}
{{NeutraVega|It's been confirmed that Terra can fight him...  It's just easiest for Aqua to access it, just by clearing Last Episode.}}

==Reward==
{{LapisScarab|time=01:13, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Anyone know if beating this guy nets you any sort of prize, or is it more of a bragging rights boss?}}
{{Randomnessity|text=Well I don't think anyone has seen anyone beat him yet so it's tough to say. This is brought up towards the bottom of the Vanitas talk page if you want to see there. There's no more info though...}}

you get his keyblade the void gear

== Strategy...? ==

{{NeutraVega|Do we really need a "strategy" against this guy...cause, well...there isn't one!  No one's beaten him yet, and no one even knows how really - hell, they can't even ''damage'' him...  Not to mention, as I read through it and fixed it up yonder here and there, I just noticed quite a few erroneous-sure-to-be-certain-death "strategies" placed in there.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm firmly against typing in random bullshit just to fill up the blank space...}}
{{LapisScarab|time=17:16, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yeah, other than the really basic information (1 health bar, ridiculously strong and fast), we barely know anything about fighting it. Better to wait until someone can at least ''hurt'' it before we really put a strategy.}}

Nomura said that a specific deck command or set of deck commands is needed.[[Special:Contributions/71.54.128.73|71.54.128.73]] 22:31, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{NeutraVega|Okay.  So, do you know what those are?  ...Didn't think so.}}




{{Venkix|text= Is there a video of Terra fighting Unversed vanitas? maybe Terra is the onyl one who could pysically hurt it. I could be wrong though.}}

everyone can phsically hurt it but it gets the most damage from ventus' tornado takes off almost half his health

==Defeated==
There's finally a winning video.

http://[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6NC0ejfjoE www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6NC0ejfjoE]

After you have defeated him ones can you do it again? I hope that he can be defeated more than just ones..[[User:P456|P456]] 18:36, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Misspelling? ==

Shouldn't it be just Vanitas' Sentiment? In normal english, as long as it has the posessive sound at the end we don't need the 's at the end. Just the ' for it. Are the rules different in Japanese? [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 22:52, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{Randomnessity|isa=No. On the wiki we spell it as Vanitas's Sentiment.}}


Ehhh whatever. I don't really care, just thought I'd mention it. [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 22:53, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

:Look at the top of the page, I already answered that.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 22:57, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

:You only remove the possessive s if the word's s is plural. So, "Jesus's", but "Cats'".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

No, it needn't be plural. It can be singular, too.

Lars' shirt...

Felix' shirt...


etc.
[[User:Zyrax|Zyrax]] 15:13, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Both ways are correct, but the "S's" spelling is the standard on the wiki for consitency's sake.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

== terra confirmed  ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DtDEJ4-wcE


peace
{{NeutraVega|Thank ye. :3}}
==Reason for existence==
It appears that 'sentiments' are sentient lifeforms created by the intense emotions of a person who has lost their bodies, emotions finding residence in anything that could serve as a shell to hold their form together. Their power is completely fueled by their emotions, so naturally, they're pretty powerful, as seen in BBS when the Lingering Sentiment's power is enough to create a giant barrier to prevent Terra-Xehanort from escaping, amongst other powers. While primarily fueled by hate, he still has compassion, as he still thinks about Ven and Aqua. Vanitas's Sentiment on the other hand, was formed from a creature of pure evil. Because of Vanitas' nature, he was able to linger on in a ghastly form as a sentiment and it also explains why he is stronger as he has no positive emotions to offset his negative ones. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 15:29, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

== Voice Actor ==

Does it really says that Miyu Irino is his voice actor? I mean the game credit didn't even says its him. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Tsk tsk tsk. *shakes head in utmost disbelief* Vanitas and Vanitas' Sentiment share the '''''same''''' voice actor. I mean, come on. The sentiment of a person has to have the original person's voice, and thus Vanitas' Sentiment is credited as Vanitas. It's '''''that''''' obvious.

:So if they were to use Haley Joel Osment or even Donald Reignoux as Vanitas, then they'd use the same person for the sentiment too. After all, many of them are the same battle quotes. It's just like the Lingering Sentiment and Terra in BBS : the same voice was used, but Terra is cited directly.

:Here too, I'd like to answer ENX's question on the Lingering Sentiment page : I know that the voice actor of Terra is responsible for the Lingering Sentiment's quotes, and that the LS is never cited in the credits as having a voice. But we should put the person responsible for his voice - at least we'll know it's ''voiced'', instead of just being plain voiceless. 

:It's quite a good thing you both raised this up, because I can finally solve the whole problem with one locus standi. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 08:16, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Obvious doesn't cut it. You guys are the one who said that you need proof and no speculation. There aren't any proof that its his voice actor. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 23:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:A ''sentiment'' is a representation of a ''character'', and for a ''sentiment'' to have a voice, no matter how enigmatic, ''the voice of the original character'' must be used. Vanitas' Sentiment, as you know, is directly linked to Vanitas. And so is the Lingering Sentiment directly linked to Terra at the end of his own story. Thus, Miyu Irino = Vanitas's Sentiment ; whoever's voicing Terra = the Lingering Sentiment. The only reason why it was not credited was because they make reference to the very first characters ; or it could also be due to the fact that they both have the same battle quotes as their original characters.

:So I'm not going to play rough and literally lay down the rules, but think upon the direct link. After all, it can't be anyone else. Vanitas' Sentiment can't be Akio Ohtsuka, of all people. That's pretty much common sense. 

:And on a side note, sentiments and real selves have always used similar voices. Take a cue from ''II Final Mix+'' - the Absent Silhouettes share the same voices with their Chain of Memories counterparts. Auditory/visual proof, as per the videos, is proof enough. Note : Never in the Japanese/English versions has someone with a similar-sounding voice ever been substituted, except for cases where, perhaps, the original voice actor is engaged or cannot be found. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 23:16, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, we require literal, 100% confirmation here don't we? Take for example when we first heard Vanitas himself talk, and a whole bunch of people wanted to place the actor it sounded like, but we kept that from happening because it wasn't confirmed. Surely the credits page of the game says who voiced him?--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 01:43, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

== Ultimania ==

The ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania'' does not classify Vanitas's Sentiment as an Unversed. Instead, it is classified as a non-Unversed enemy, like Zack and Master Xehanort. However, the Unversed ensignia on the sentiment's helm is misleading, and is leading me to think that the logo may not signify the sentiment being an Unversed, but instead his connection to the Unversed. Vanitas's Sentiment's status as an Unversed or non-Unversed needs to be decided on, so that this article may be removed from the "Unversed" category if necessary. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 06:40, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, I'm pretty the Ultimania isn't correct about everything. There's too much going against sayin' VS isn't an Unversed. He wears the symbol and is literally Vanitas's remnants in a physical form. A manifestation of his being. By all rights, he would be considered an Unversed. No doubt about it. He's a lot like the Lingering Sentiment in regards of how he operates. Being a creature of darkness whose strength seems to run on emotions, but not offset by positive ones, only negative ones. I'm not seeing he how he isn't an Unversed.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 06:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

::Hold on, I really have to protest this. There are a ton of characters who can arguably be called Unversed--Ventus, Lingering Will, Sephiroth, etc. The decision in each and every case has been to not call something an Unversed unless it is specified as one by name in official materials. And I'm just fine with that. Not because I agree with the classifications, but because the logic is consistent. But if we're now saying that, in THIS case, we don't need to appease that level of evidence, that's just a double standard.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 08:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:This should not be considered an Unversed if the Ultimania says it isn't. However, does the Ultimania say that the Magic Mirror IS an Unversed, as the game explicitly does?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

== Keyblade ==

Check KH13 and you will see when you beat him you don't just get the Hidden Ore, in the North American version you get the Hidden Ore AND Vanitas's Keyblade!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 19:26, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

==Encounter==
So... exactly how do Terra and Ven get to fight him? What circumstances need to be met? I know Aqua just has to clear the Last Episode, but I don't see that mentioned in the article either. Seems like something worth noting.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}07:33, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I know the only condition to fight Vanitas's Sentiment is to clear the game with the corresponding character. After that it's possible to select another landing place at Keyblade Graveyard from the world map. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 08:32, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Terra and Ven are playable in the last story after Aqua defeats Terranort (their appearance in the last story is non-canon and is merely for gameplay.) Also the sentiment only appears if you've beaten Xehanort and gotten all the Xehanort Reports.

== Terra Video ==

The video of Terra fighting him is an english mod that needs to be removed, i would have done it but i don't know how to add videos and i don't want to leave the page without a Terra video.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 20:53, July 16, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

== Can Vanitas's Sentiment be Stop by Stop? ==

Can you use the stop magic on [[Vanitas's Sentiment]] at all.--[[User:Edgeshadow|Edgeshadow]]

I'm pretty sure he is immune to it because most bosses cannot be 'stopped' and he's a super/secret boss, so surely he would have the same case. {{User:Danjam/Sig}}

== Sentiment = Spirit? ==

{{iZerox|time=14:04, September 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=I realize that the name change is based off a guide book scan. But I believe Spirit and Sentiment would just be translation differences. And most likely easily interchangeable. But if this is what we're going with here shouldn't Terra's Lingering Sentiment be called a Lingering Spirit as well?}}
{{Xabryn|text=Not really, at least not unless the game calls it like that}}
{{RN867|time=10:04am, Sept,3/10|ven= i think the name change was because a sentiment is like an emotion and the lingering sentiment is a SPOILER: emobyment of terra's emotions but the lingering spirit is kinda like vantia's ghost}}
{{iZerox|time=19:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=I understand. Well thanks for responding.}}

== Can it be fought more than once? ==

{{Xabryn|text=I was watching some videos of the battles against him and it seems fun so I wanted to know if it could be fought more than once}}
{{RN867|time 2:06pm|ven= i dont think so because its kinda like a absent silhouette and im pretty sure you could only fight those once soo...}}
{{One-Winged Angel|time=11:23 September 4, 2010|text=What I do if I want to fight a boss more than once (e.g. Sephiroth in KHII), I just save the game to a different file when the boss is beaten so I still have the prize (:D), and or still can progress  and still have the save file right before I fight the boss.}}
{{Lt.Haven|text= It can be fought three times, once as each character. Each character needs a different strategy to defeat it, though, so go with One-Winged Angel's advice.}}

== Remnant ==

{{Maggosh|nathan=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-gbaTvh5w

Near the end of this video; the Reports call him the "Vanitas Remnant".}}

{{iZerox|time=19:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=maggosh is quite correct! It's real obvious that's what it is. We should change it then I suppose.}}

{{Xabryn|time=19:35, September 10, 2010 (UTC)|angry=Oh come on we just changed the name. Besides the first two name were so much better}}

Well, in the battle the info bar calls it Vanitas's Lingering Spirit, as does the stratagy Guide. --Evnyofdeath 19:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
{{EO|time=18:43, September 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=I agree with maggosh. The game should be what we go by, not a contradictory strategy guide. The "information" thing in a battle is never useful. It often jokes around or phrases the obvious objective of the battle and plot. Also, "lingering spirit" is a clever way to refer to "remnant". The guide only calls it that because it quotes the information bar's text before each strategy. The info bar also states "Vanitas's lingering spirit" as if it were an adjective rather than a proper noun. "Vanitas's Remnant", which was actually written in the game as "Vanitas Remnant", is capitalized, as all names of objects are, meaning THAT is this guy's proper name. For those still against this and wishing to use the other name "because the guide said so", keep in mind you refer to an object that called Terra/Xehanort "Xehanort/Terra" on and off in the strategy and even called "Chaos Ripper" by its Japanese name, "Chaos Reaper".}}

::The info bar may say the "lingering spirit", but it doesn't say "Defeat Vanitas's Lingering Spirit" it says "Defeat Vanitas's lingering spirit". There's a difference, the first one is in the form of a name, and the second one (which is what it says in the game) refers to something of Vanitas's. In the report it says "Vanitas Remnant", which is what the name of the article should be changed to. --[[User:Breaktheice16|BreaktheIce16]] <small>([[User talk:Breaktheice16|talk]])</small> 9:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Ecounter ==

{{DeadManCandyLand|time=Someone's gotta whip him into shape.|text=so no one knows how to fight vanitas's remnant with terra or ventus}}
You beat the game, save, and go back to the normal save file. Simple.--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 21:18, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{DeadManCandyLand|time=Someone's gotta whip him into shape.|text=that was pretty blunt thanks hope its right}}

It is. I beat Vanitas's Remnant the other day with Ventus. Void Gear pwns. --Evnyofdeath 16:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

==Moving to Vanitas's Remnant==

Sounds like a good idea to me, glad the mods actually WANT to move pages again.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 16:31, September 13, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

I'll have to face the facts the page have to be moved again, this is so annoying--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 17:27, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

After beating it and reading the journel myself, I say I'm for the move. After all, Vanitas's Remnant is not only easier to type/say but it sounds cooler. --Evnyofdeath 17:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

{{ErryTalk|text=Go with it, it's the official name. I'm in.}}

{{Falcos|text= I was actually just coming to the page to point out this needed to be moved. ^.^}}

==VANITAS Remnant==

Can I just point out that in the report it's name is just "Vanitas Remnant" not "Vanitas's Remnant"... --[[User:Breaktheice16|BreaktheIce16]] <small>([[User talk:Breaktheice16|talk]])</small> 14:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=Yes, I noticed that as well. It should be changed, yet AGAIN. >_>}}

:Well at least after it's changed this time, it won't need to be changed again. --[[User:Breaktheice16|BreaktheIce16]] <small>([[User talk:Breaktheice16|talk]])</small> 10:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

== Where ?  ==

I can't find him. I completed the game with Terra but I can't find in the Graveyard.--{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 17:30, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{DeadManCandyLand|time=Someone's gotta whip him into shape.|text=ya im having the same problem i beat it with aqua ven and terra and have all 12 xehanort reports so whqat am i doing wrong?}}

{{Maggosh|nathan=From the World Map, go to KG and select Badlands.}}

{{DeadManCandyLand|time=Someone's gotta whip him into shape.|text=so it has to be before the main ending where u fight vanitas and master xehanort?}}

After you beat the Final Episode, load any save file you can go to the Keyblade Graveyard in (not sure if you can go there in the FE) and to to the Keyblade Graveyard. There will be a new landing point called Badlands.--Evnyofdeath 19:02, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Could be as I cleared the final episode and went on with terra after that. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 05:17, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I read something about having to get all the Xehanort Reports as well.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}05:22, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=You have to clear the Final Episode first, which requires you to get all the Xehanort reports. So in essence, yes.}}

I see, I just finished the game again and went on Ven but it doesn't says the badlands so you do need the reports. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 05:54, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I've beaten all three stories, and I have all the reports.  But if you need all the reports, then does that mean you have to load a "completion data" file?  OK, I guess it does, since it I have the "Badlands" option on completion file.  [[User:Key of Destiny|Key of Destiny]] 22:17, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

== Sentiment, Lingering Sprite or remnant? ==

I Japanese I know he was called Vanitas Sentiment.

But why is it that in the English strategy guide it says Vanitas Lingering Sprite, while in game it says Vanitas Remnant...

Seriously, what is it? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 17:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=In the Information scroll before the battle, it says "Vanitas's lingering spirit", which the guide thought would be the official name.}}

{{LapisScarab|time=02:26, September 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=In order: "Vanitas's Sentiment" is a literaly translation from Japanese, "Vanitas's Lingering Spirit" is as maggosh said, and "Vanitas Sentiment is the name the game's journal gives it. We prefer to go by the Journal when it comes to names here, particularly when the Brady Games guides are notorious for being wrong.}}

== Unversed ==

{{Falcos|text=I got my edit reverted, comment was "No, this one is DEFINITELY an unversed. That's what Unversed are." I'm going to point out that Unversed are negative emotions given form by Vanitas. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but Vanitas isn't around anymore by this time. Isn't this one falling into the same category of an Absent Silhouette, which is to say "Whatever it's based off is what this is"? Or have I got something wrong somewhere? Apologies in advance if I have.}}
:It's an emanation of Vanitas's negativity given form. It even has the Unversed emblem on it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

{{Falcos|text=Alright, I concede.}}
What is the journal entry filed under?  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 14:50, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|nathan=Character Files > Main Characters}}
Then I'm not so sure we should be so hasty calling it an Unversed, considering a)its journal category, and b)its similarities to ASs and the LS. What does the "Unversed" option have going for it, besides the emblem? (I consider the "powerful thoughts and feelings" to be closer to LS-like in nature.)  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 18:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

He is made from Vanitas's negativity just like an Unversed, and thinking well the LS is very similar to an unversed but unlike unverseds he have a "real" body (Even though it is just an empty armor) and is made from Terra's negativity--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 18:08, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

 	{{DeadManCandyLand|time=18:25, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=umm but isnt it impossible for unversed to exist since they only existed when vanitas did since they were apart of him basically what im saying is he has to me a remmnant like the ls rather than an unversed}}

Probably, but VR is different it is a part of Vanitas but that only was created after his dead but it is yet a part of him the other unversed exist with Vanitas and thinking well if some of the Unversed survived maybe they created VR though this is just speculation think about it VR is "A physical manifestation of what '''remained''' of Vanitas's powerful '''thoughts and feelings'''." but even though this is just speculation of my part VR is still what remained of Vanitas's thought and feeling just like an unversed--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 18:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
{{neumannz|time=18:42, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe, but this is a little more specific than what Unversed are made of. It's not just "negative emotions", it's ''Vanitas's'' "powerful thoughts and feelings", which is different from an Unversed's nature. (I should point out that the entry doesn't specify negativity in particular, though it may not mean much.)

So I'd consider it a Remnant with similarities to AS and LS (more towards AS, I think).}}
::Well, the Trinity Report does not list it as an Unversed, but we do have Organization XIII and Ansem SoD as precedents. I'd say that, given its similar nature and the emblem, we can safely consider it an Unversed until told differently by Nomura. Then again, I haven't fought the damn thing yet, so I'm going off of what I've read.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
:::Other point I forgot to mention, the Ultimania doesn't file VR as an Unversed. [http://heartstation.org/gallery/albums/birth-by-sleep/ultimania/bbsu%20075.png]  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 04:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Fake or real? ==

{{WB|Vanitas=I'm confused! Is Vanitas Remnant really a Fake Keybearer? Look as his Void Gear, it has a Keychain and he is part of Vanitas whom is part of Ventus! And he is a Keyblade-wielding Unversed like Roxas being a Keyblade-wielding Nobody! I'm not making an argument, just someone tell me why he is considered a Fake Keybearer.}}
{{KrytenKoro|The Keychain has nothing to do with whether it's real or not. What makes it fake is that VR ''IS'' the Keyblade - what he holds is merely part of his being, like with Genie.}}

==Canon?==
{{Lt.Haven|text=So we know that the Mysterious Figure is canon, but what about Vanitas Remnant? The Journal says that it is left of what were once Vanitas' "powerful emotions". Since Vanitas is destroyed only minutes before Ventus goes to sleep and Terra is possessed, it seems only Aqua would be able to fight it if the boss were canon. But I'm not entirely sure about it.}}

And Aqua is in the Dark Margin, and since all three can fight him, the impossible happinings would mean he is non-canon.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 01:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

i beat the game on terra and ven but i cant go to the badlands, do i have to beat it with aqua too? what am i missing?

{{Maggosh|YMX=The Badlands can only be accessed from the World Map.}}

{{ST|text=you have to complete the Final Episode it says that in the artical}}

{{iZerox|time=06:42, September 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I believe we probably could consider this fight to be canon for Aqua but not for Terra and Ventus. After all it get's its own journal entry under characters.}}

{{Lt.Haven|text=After Aqua locks the Land of Departure, you can go to other worlds before fighting Xehanort. This includes the Badlands if you've beaten Final Episode before. When you investigate the world, it even says "A strong will is at work here, but whose?"}}

== Battle Tip? ==

{{WB|Vanitas=Can someone tell me how to trap VR into a Tornado easy? Or just tell the your status od when you defeated him?}}
{{Lt.Haven|text=Lure him into mines, then hit him with Aeroga/Tornado/whatever easily. I haven't beaten him as Ventus, I've just battered him with Mines as Aqua.}}

== A.I. Glitch ==

{{ST|text=i noticed that the strategy section makes numerous mentions of an A.I. glitch, however, no wehere in the article does it explain what exactly this glitch is, only different ways to somehow take advantage of it. could someone elaborate?}}
{{Lt.Haven|text=There is only one glitch I've seen. Hide behind one of the big rocks in the badlands, and he'll run straight at the wall, instead of around it. Then just spam Strike Raid until he's dead. But this strategy is really cheap, and he can still hit you when he goes into his black shell attack.}}
{{ST|text=ok, thank you}}
{{Maggosh|YMX=Actually, I find if you keep using Strike Raid, he won't use Black Hex Shell. That's what I call it, by the way.}}

== Attack project ==

These pastebins might help:

*http://pastebin.com/qv2Q1QzQ
*http://pastebin.com/j1EURi0G

Also, where kanji or hiragana are involved, please remember that they might be referring to existing martial arts techniques, and should be romanized as such rather than translated literally.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
: Do you know a site that lists these martial arts techniques? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:37, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Not really. Some Japanese dictionaries, like WWWJDIC, should be able to catch most of them, and if it's a word that is a combination of kana and kanji, there's a good chance the kanji is a reference to something, but I generally just make a point of checking the kanji and romaji on google before translating them, to see if they meant something before KH.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC)