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==He is the Xheanort we know==
Look at it this way, "Xheanort" has a habit of stealing his master's names, his "Heartless" armor is also passed down from Xheanort's heartless to Riku, his new apprentice, he even took his master's clothes when he turned into a heartless, also, it is never stated that his name is "Xheanort" It's just the only name he remembers, this makes sense to me, seeing as how Master Xheanort would have been a very powerful figure in his memory.

{{Xiggie|text=Well, it could be him, '''OR''' Terra (See my [http://khxiggie.blogcentral.is/blog/2009/2/1/who-is-xehanort/ blog] about this, and please comment)}}

I was the one who made that theory NO JOKE visit my [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kingdomheartsfreek#Kingdom_Hearts_BBS| home page] all that u need to know about that theory is there

Death Messenger - Makes sense. Perhaps Vanitas stole Terra's body, that's why Xehanort is so much like Terra.

Also, it all fits. His name means Vanity or Nothingness. It matches Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas perfectly!

{{NeutraVega|I don't see why it matters.  Keep this kind of speculation at KHI.  kthxbye}}
{{TNE|time=00:02, October 30, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=Had I my way I'd have given you a second warning for Wikimisconduct.}}

{{NeutraVega|Rofl.  For?  Where have I committed misconduct exactly here?  What vile evils have I unleashed upon thee...?}}


== Heartless Possibility ==

Has anyone considered the possibilty that the aprentice isn't an aprentice at all, but is 
in fact Master Xhanort's heartless? After all, in the birth by sleep video they seemed to spit from one being, with one (Master Xehanort) keeping the phisical shape of the original the way that a powerful Nobody does, and the other (the apprentice) becoming more heartless like. Another thing is that the "Apprentice" finished Master Xeanort's sentence in one of the trailers. This did not seem to suprise Master Xehanort or Ven, as if the apprentice ''should'' know what his master is about to say.
--[[User:Hulon2|Hulon2]] 14:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=If that is so, then MX is a Nobody... which seems rather impossible as he is able to wield the Keyblade. Right ? MX looks like anyone who would have a heart, through and through, even if he's the antagonist in the game, and even if he wants to acquire Kingdom Hearts.}}

He ''would'' be able to use a Keyblade because, as it says in the article on Keyblades, they are connected to your soul, not your heart. So a Nobody can use a Keyblade because they still have souls. For example, both Roxas and Xion use Keyblades, even though they are Nobodies. As for looking as if he has a heart, who can tell. Axel seemed very heartful to me, but he's a Nobody.--[[User:Hulon2|Hulon2]] 13:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=It's connected to the soul of the '''wielder''', who himself has to have a strong heart.}}

Well, Roxas was able to weild a Keyblade, two in fact, and he didn't have a heart, so maybe it's the same case with this guy. [[User:Keyblader|Keyblader]] 22:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|blahtext=The only reason why Roxas was able was because of Sora.

And then, if you think about it, those two didn't act '''instinctively''', did they ? They seemed to have planned every single attack of theirs. Heartless act by instinct alone.}}

Yes, MX fought like he had a plan, ''but'' the "Apprentice" just leapt out and started bashing away. 
Later, he noticed the tornado of blades and leapt on to it without stopping at all to think.--[[User:Hulon2|Hulon2]] 13:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=And he did it well, didn't he ? Tacticians don't always hesitate during battle. Think Sephiroth.}}

I guess we'll know when the game comes out. After all it could be something that none of us have even thought of. After all, if people could figure out they big secret from just watching the trailers, the game wouldn't sell well. They want people to wonder so they make the trailers purposefully vague. Seriously, who could guess that Roxas was Sora's Nobody using only the ''Another Side Another Story'' video?--[[User:Hulon2|Hulon2]] 14:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=True. Let's wait and see...}}

I think MX apprentice is really the xehanort that we know --KHF 19:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh, it really could go either way, couldn't it? I personally doubt that the Apprentice is a Heartless, but you never do know. After all, he uses a keyblade - wethether the blade's attatched to the soul or the heart, it doesn't matter, because then they couldn't both use a keyblade. Then agian, it might have something to do with those chains...or rather, lack therof. No, wait, The Apprentice and MX both have chains. Okay, I'm lost. But, since Roxas did use a keyblade, despite being a Nobody, I don't think it's fair to just shoot down his theroy. The only problem is whether or not a heartless can use a keyblade, which is, obviously, unlikey. But then agian... Yeah, I don't know. [[User:Keyblade Mage|Keyblade Mage]] 13:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage


== Theroy ==

Is it possible that Master Xehanorts Apprentice is Xigbar because of how he talked about seeing them before and how he saw xion as ven?

If you unsramble Xigbar's name and remove the 'X' it spells Braig, and from what i researched, he had met with Ven, Terra, and Aqua in the past but i doubt he's the apprentice

Well their bodies don't match and since a nobody is supposed to look their former selfs with only minor changes it doesn't seem likely.--[[Special:Contributions/74.210.24.180|74.210.24.180]] 22:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that the apprentice is Xehanort, as in Ansem the seeker of darkness, or Xemnas, that Xehanort. Well, my famous friend from Camp thinks that. Anyway, I agree and well remember how Xehanort had lost all his memories when Ansem found him? We think he took the name Xehanort, like when he went to the dark he called himself Ansem. Also, he's been an apprentice before, and in the Manga, Maleficent screams at Riku "YOU!" and she doesn't mean Riku. She had caused problems for Master Xehanort and his apprentice in Birth by Sleep, and she might be reconizing him. (or however you spell it...)--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|I&lt;3&#39;slarxel]] 13:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=Has anyone considered the possibility that Master Xehanort and his apprentice might be humanoid Unbirths? And the fact is, no one actually inside the game production has confirmed that the upper-level Unbirths, like the upper-level Nobodies, actually have to look like their original human counterparts.}}


And that Ansem the seeker of darkness somehow remained human form after becoming a Heartless. Hmm Interesting...--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|I&lt;3&#39;slarxel]] 14:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that he is related to Spider-Man. I mean, look at his costume! And since Disney bought Marvel, it's entirely possible. [[User:JesseRoo|Jesse]][[User talk:JesseRoo|Roo]]

Please, that has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

That guy was in development LONG before Disney bought Marvel.

[http://www.sarcasmdetector.com/product.html Here's something that you might be interested in.] [[User:JesseRoo|Jesse]][[User talk:JesseRoo|Roo]]

{{Khgurl|text=I was thinking if MX's apprentice is probably a new character we haven't seen before. The possibilities are slim that the apprentice might be Xehanort. If we are right when BBS comes out, it'll kinda ruin the big surprise. There might be a large chance that it's a new character we haven't cross before. 
And to Keyblader, if the apprentice is a high-ranking Unverse, there could be a high possibility that you're right. Either way, I'm still standing on the side that the apprentice might be a new character.}}
Although the thoeries sound itneresting i suggest we remove them from the article[[User:Aqua00000|Aqua00000]] 20:45, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

== The Apprentice hath Spoken! ==
New BbS trailer at TGS09 revealed the Apprentice's voice to be masculine. Still no voice actor though. Let's get on that.
-Ktnxbai!

== A name!!!! ==

{{NitrousX|text=Finally! He has a real name! Just expressing how happy I am about that.}}
{{Maggosh|time=23:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)|text= Great!
...
Um, where did it come from again?
EDIT: Never mind, I found it. And yayzorz!}}

{{Morghman| Vanitas, that kinda sounds girly, but I suppose it has some sort of meaning in Japanese or Latin or whatever. But come on... he's got the whole body builder suit, he's the DARK apprentice, his keyblade is off the chain, and his name... is Vanitas. Ah well, is there a picture of him without his mask?

{{NitrousX|text=Not that I've seen. But maybe someday, keep your fingers crossed.}}


==Picture==
{{Xemwath|text=Someone with photoshop skills should edit the scan where it only shows Vanitas.  Similar to what [[Master Erauqs]]'s edited scan picture looks like.}}

== Keyblade ==

{{NitrousX|text=Shouldn't he and his [[Master Xehanort|master]] have pages for their keyblades, since Terra's, Aqua's, Ven's, and Master Erauqs do?}}
{{Maggosh|time=00:23, October 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'll get on Vanitas'.

EDIT: Done. [[Vanitas' Keyblade]]}}

== Who said his name was Vanitas!? ==

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:His name was revealed to be Apprentice Vanitas in this month's VJump. [[User:JudgmentDay95]]
:Uh, don't spaz, thanks.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 22:04, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

== 70 ==

Seventy edits in one day. Absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:navy ;">'''Door'''</span>]][[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:dimgray ;">'''To'''</span>]][[User talk:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:darkslategray ;">'''Nothing'''</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/DoorToNothing|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=red>'''''Kupo!'''''</font>]]</sup> 04:49, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{NeutraVega|You should've seen Master Eraqus's page.  That was a whole new kind of retardation.}}
{{TNE|time=02:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=''Excuse-moi ?''}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Hmph! I'm getting really sick of you, NeutraVega. You got '''WAY''' too much attitude for a kid!}}
{{NitrousX|text=Sorry to intrude, but "retardation"? Seriously? For one thing, you have no business saying that and for another, '''who''' says "retardation" anymore?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Kids who are immature. Just look at my classmates in school.}}
{{TNE|time=02:34, October 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well, guess I'm not gonna break the toy...}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Really? Half the time, I '''WANT''' to break the toy. Don't be fool by well behave personailty. I'm quite...Vicious if I want to be. Maybe even a little like Larxene.}}
{{TNE|time=02:47, October 27, 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Hehehehe, we're just waiting. ^_^ <small>Now if only I could extract Larxene emotions from Chain of Memories.</small>}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=My dear senpai TNE, I feel the exact same way. However, I could never allow myself to do the things Larxene does, unless someone makes me mad. It's a little thing I like to call acting.}}
{{TNE|time=03:38, October 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Niiiiiiice. <small>You see, there're a lot more decent people like [[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] - he knows he's right, but he doesn't go around making a show out of it.</small>}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Thanks. And I totally agreed with you about Unbirth.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Well that leads me to believe that he's getting people like you to do the dirty work. :P}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Dirty work? Care to explain by what you mean?}}
{{TNE|time=23:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=Ha ! If he's counting on us to do the dirty work, he can bloody well do it himself !}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=As if! He'll just make a scene again.}}
{{TNE|time=00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)|text=Even ''le cynique'' Kryten can't stand his guts. I guess we'll just leave him there and then let the higher staff do as they see fit. I won't handle him.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Me either. He's such a brat. He got a lot of attitude for a kid.}}
{{TNE|time=00:27, October 28, 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Just leave him. We ''demoiselles'' know how to go through such situations, don't we ?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Of course, we do. Guys always takes girls for granted. We're a lot tougher than they think we are!}}
{{Maggosh|text=...what have I started? :(}}
{{TNE|time=01:04, October 28, 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Never mind about what you started, '''I FEEL ALIVE AGAIN !!! :DDDDD'''}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=You didn't start anything. This have been going on for quite some time. And don't mind Madame TNE, she's a little crazy. Hehehe...}}
{{NeutraVega|Holy crap, look at all this.  I had no idea people paid so much attention to my opinions.  Perhaps I ought fire up my very own fanclub...}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Don't flatter yourself, you jerk.}}
{{NitrousX|text=Seriously, Vega, your ego is bigger than the World of Chaos.}}
{{Firaga44|text=Yep and the world that never was to.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yep. I couldn't agree with you guys more.}}


== What should we add ==

Should we add that Vanitas and Ven are going to fight each other? I mean in the new trailer they first start talking in [[The Gathering]] and then they both whip out their keyblades and get in their battle stances.--[[User:Xsonicdragon|Xsonicdragon]] 01:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Xehanort ==

{{TFO|time=20:46, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|Aerith= It has been my personal opinion that Vanitas is the Xehanort we know for a while. I have had this theory for sometime, before I even joined the wiki. I was pleased to read some other people had the same idea. When I first started reading up on the game I was suprised how little information was released about the apprentice, I almost thought it was suspicious. Any way here is where I posted my theory if any one is interested: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Terra_Fae_Odosson#The_Ansem_Theory
Of course I wrote this before I heard the Terra theory. Most the information I gathered would support that idea too. sigh. I know some people were annoyed with all the speculation listed. Nomura did state that he left areas open for fans to use their imagination and also so they wouldn't get bored with the series. I think he would enjoy the fact fans speculate and get this excited. I know I loved dreaming there was a great connection between Reno and Axel but now we know who Axel's original self was. Vantis could also be an unversed. I just don't know enough about them really to make a good prediction involving them. I had better ideas when we all thought it was unbirths. I had fun playing around with that.}}
{{TNE|time=05:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)|shocktext=I wonder what "friendship" ties he had with Aqua and Ven though, if it's really Vanitas...}}

== Riku ==

I have a theory that Vanitas is someway connected to Riku. Look by this way, Riku Dark Mode is similar to Vanitas clothes and also Vanitas seem to be in Riku battle stance in this image.
[[Image:Vanitas Riku Stance.JPG|thumb|]]

Thats what i was thinkin!!!.....but he could also be somehow related to terra cuz of ther name retaions which i dont feel like explaining right now...specialy since im in class...oh no teacher! -XeroXero :O