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| About Traverse Town and TWTNW, that are all good questions and I can't answer them completely, but here are some facts: | | About Traverse Town and TWTNW, that are all good questions and I can't answer them completely, but here are some facts: |
| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds." | | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds." |
| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"The Mysterious Tower isn't always standing in a fixed place." | | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"The Mysterious Tower isn’t always standing in a fixed place." |
| *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds." | | *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds." |
| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was' existence as a world has become uncertain." | | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was' existence as a world has become uncertain." |
| *'''Famitsu Weekly''':"I want to ask more about The World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?<br /> | | *'''Famitsu Weekly''':"I want to ask more about The World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?<br /> |
| Nomura: When that world's logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it's reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that's when it becomes reality. | | Nomura: When that world’s logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it’s reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that’s when it becomes reality. |
| *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH." | | *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH." |
| *'''Japanese KH3D website''':"You are connected through dreams to the Sleeping Worlds. And if you open the "Keyhole of sleep" in that world... The world will be released.." | | *'''Japanese KH3D website''':"You are connected through dreams to the Sleeping Worlds. And if you open the "Keyhole of sleep" in that world... The world will be released.." |
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| :Keep in mind that the novel isn't canon, and therefore doesn't need an explanation for everything. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | | :Keep in mind that the novel isn't canon, and therefore doesn't need an explanation for everything. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC) |
| ::Still, I always felt that often some of worlds' names are deliberately avoided in the game's dialogue when they don't appear in the source material. At least in my mind Jiminy's makes them up together with the room names. Other than that the suggestion from the reddit thread, that theese name appear on a display in the Gummi Ship, is another safe bet. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | | ::Still, I always felt that often some of worlds' names are deliberately avoided in the game's dialogue when they don't appear in the source material. At least in my mind Jiminy's makes them up together with the room names. Other than that the suggestion from the reddit thread, that theese name appear on a display in the Gummi Ship, is another safe bet. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC) |
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| :::Sora does say that the Heartless in Wonderland were stronger than in Traverse Town, but he also says "It's like a land of wonders" before that, so he may have made that name up. I haven't checked Deep Jungle and the later chapters yet. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| {{TNE|text=In other words, protecting them from their hearts being consumed by the darkness of the Corridors. But someone wanted to see if something was "true" - what '''was''' that something ?}}
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| '''Corridors not having any effect on Sora :''' There are two events which support this. One is the spiriting away of Sora from his home island to Traverse Town. He was taken by force through a Corridor of Darkness, but that did not render his heart any weaker. The second is the time when Sora, Donald and Goofy were dragged into the Corridors of Darkness by Maleficent. Sora pretty much survived in there without his heart getting weakened, even without a Black Cloak, while Riku needed one (after his careless usage of the Corridors in the first KH).
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| After Xemnas escapes Sora and his friends at the [[Altar of Naught]] by merging with his Kingdom Hearts, a door similar to the Door To Darkness appears, leading to [[the World of Nothing]] Xemnas has created within. Mickey states that the door was a gift from the worlds, who have accepted Sora as their keeper. Sora and the others pass through the door, and after they seemingly defeat Xemnas they return once more to the Altar of Naught, where [[Naminé]] opens a final [[Corridor of Darkness]] to Destiny Islands. Just as Kairi passes through the portal, Xemnas returns on his gigantic Nobody and attacks the tower, dragging Sora and Riku back into the World of Nothing. This time, however, they do not pass through the door. | | After Xemnas escapes Sora and his friends at the [[Altar of Naught]] by merging with his Kingdom Hearts, a door similar to the Door To Darkness appears, leading to [[the World of Nothing]] Xemnas has created within. Mickey states that the door was a gift from the worlds, who have accepted Sora as their keeper. Sora and the others pass through the door, and after they seemingly defeat Xemnas they return once more to the Altar of Naught, where [[Naminé]] opens a final [[Corridor of Darkness]] to Destiny Islands. Just as Kairi passes through the portal, Xemnas returns on his gigantic Nobody and attacks the tower, dragging Sora and Riku back into the World of Nothing. This time, however, they do not pass through the door. |
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| ::Unless the Ultimanias say otherwise, I agree with listing it under "Realm Between." - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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| Do we have anything clarifying the relationship between the Gates, the Keyholes, and the Lanes Between?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :Also, is there any way we could get a gallery of the Gate triggers, to replace the list?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| Not that I know of, no. Still, why did you remove the Birth by Sleep line? It uses almost the [http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/570ff2e9152b9-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep-gate.php same animation]. What else would it be? --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::Honestly...the way they descripe Gates, Gummi routes, and Lanes between, it all sounds the same: either a Keyblade wielder, or the destruction of a wall, opens a hole for entities to pass through the walls. Any entity can pass once these are opened, and you can use a Keyblade Glider, Gummi Ship, or any other vessel (Deep Space and Neverland) to travel. Or you can simply walk through, like Vanitas, Aqua, and the Foretellers did, though that's probably more dangerous. The only difference between Gates and Lanes between seems to be how the hole gets opened in the first place -- either the world's Keyhole guides a Keyblade apprentice to open just one or two holes to the next world, or a Keyblade Master, like Eraqus, purposefully opens them all for his apprentices. Since these are so closely linked with Gummi ships, I feel like we should merge the sections -- we really only have three methods of travel in the end.
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| ::Does the Memorial Ultimania define the lanes, gates, and gummi routes ''at all''? If not, I'm unsure what to name the combined section -- unless we call it "Lanes between", and simply mention that, like the Gummi routes, anything that knows where the holes in the wall are can pass through them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::There is little information in the Memorial Ultimania on those things, you can find a very rough translation [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here]. The original pages are here: [http://i.imgur.com/5y7bGS2.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/cbvdtxL.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/Cci4OhD.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/dlijy0K.jpg]. There is probably a connection between these travel methods, it just wasn't explained yet. Also there is the case of Betwixt and Between. It's seen both when Kairi leaves Destiny Islands and when Sora enters the corridor in the basement of the Old Mansion. Are these the "lanes" the Corridors of Darkness use? I'll see I can do about the rest of the Gate items, but that's really low priority at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::These quotes wouldn't make sense if what Riku did didn't cause the Heartless to show up. But, what Riku did shouldn't have done anything. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 14:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| :::In the end opening the door resulted in the demise of DI. Maybe the Heartless would have done it themselves given time, but we'll never know that. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| ::::Yeah, Heartless can still show up in a world with its Gummi barriers up. I meant that the Gummi barriers had to be destroyed in order for a whole hoard of Heartless to show up, since it makes it easier for them to show up. But yeah, you're completely right. The answer could be either of those two options. I'd say it's most likely that opening the door lured the Heartless since it's been stated a few times in the first game that all the Gummi barriers were broken prior by the Heartless. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| How did Scrooge get to Twilight Town?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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