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| No, I think that it could be a reference to Eraqus' world being destroyed, since that is how it is in KH when Goofy sees Destiny Islands disappear. Or, it could just be something that only Yen Sid sees or even just a metaphor for, "he died." {{User:ParadiseFusion15/Sig}} 9:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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| Then it doesn't count. The lists of worlds are those that actually appear in the games. The opening intro does not count.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | Then it doesn't count. The lists of worlds are those that actually appear in the games. The opening intro does not count.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| :It appears in a cutscene that is a flashback during the restoration of Sora's memories, I think. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | :It appears in a cutscene that is a flashback during the restoration of Sora's memories, I think. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
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| Then scenes from secret videos probably don't count as well? Like Ventus' scene in 3D? And neither do the flashbacks from KH2 (like Traverse Town)? And what about Neverland in coded? 21:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | Then scenes from secret videos probably don't count as well? Like Ventus' scene in 3D? And neither do the flashbacks from KH2 (like Traverse Town)? And what about Neverland in coded? 21:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
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| Neverland never appeared in Coded, except for an earlier release trailer for the game. The idea was scratched before the game was released. Obviously from the page, Traverse Town does not count as a visited world in the KHII, well, because Sora and co. never went to that world.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | Neverland never appeared in Coded, except for an earlier release trailer for the game. The idea was scratched before the game was released. Obviously from the page, Traverse Town does not count as a visited world in the KHII, well, because Sora and co. never went to that world.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| :It appeared in a cutscene. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | :It appeared in a cutscene. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| ::In a flashback? Hmm... For as long as I've been, I don't think the wiki ever counted worlds that appears in flashbacks as worlds that are listed in the game. Even though a world might appear in a flashback, it technically doesn't really count as a appearance, since Sora and the others never actually went to that world.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | ::In a flashback? Hmm... For as long as I've been, I don't think the wiki ever counted worlds that appears in flashbacks as worlds that are listed in the game. Even though a world might appear in a flashback, it technically doesn't really count as a appearance, since Sora and the others never actually went to that world.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| ::: Oh, all right. Thanks for clarifying the rules! --[[User:Bas2804]] 21:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | ::: Oh, all right. Thanks for clarifying the rules! --[[User:Bas2804]] 21:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| :::Sure, no problem.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | | :::Sure, no problem.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
| ::::If it appears as ''part of the story'' of the game, then it counts, whether it is flashback or gameplay. Opening videos and the secret movies for KH, KHFM, KHII, and KHIIFM are not in-canon and so do not count.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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| Technically, all previous allies are dimension-exclusive, too.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :It's just a small thumbnail, let it go. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I was actually going to make that point as well... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 17:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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| ==''Sea of Outer Space'' <> ''Lanes Between'' and needed facts about Sleeping Worlds==
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| {{ShardofTruth|time=21:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)|talk=The ''Lanes Between'' is not the space around the worlds that is traveled in KH, KHII and KHBBS, that's called {{nihongo|'''Sea of Outer Space'''|異空の海|}}. The ''Lanes Between'' are indeed a series of "roads" and they (that is the important part) can be locked and unlocked apparently, at least Master Eraqus could do it. That's why I think this section should be moved to "Methods of travel".<br />
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| {{Maggosh|nathan=That is true...the Traverse Town here was created from Rhyme's dreams, and TWTNW that Sora and Riku primarily go through is the false dream version.}}
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| Because it fits here too: The [http://wikiwiki.jp/kh_series/?%A5%AD%A1%BC%A5%EF%A1%BC%A5%C9 Kingdom Hearts term list of the Japanese wiki] is quite helpful on all these topics. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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| :In regards to Traverse Town and TWTNW, all I really want clarified is:
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| *Does (a) Traverse Town exist within the Realm Between at the end of KH3D?
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| *Does (a) The World That Never Was within the Realm Between at the end of KH3D?
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| *Does (a) Traverse Town exist within the Sleeping Worlds at the end of KH3D?
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| :If there's two versions of each world, that's peaches, I just haven't played the game and so I'm not sure what the situation is.
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| *"異空" (Isora) is not "outer space", which would be Uchuukuukan. The only precedented translation I can find for Isora is "the other sky", so perhaps "Sea of the Skies". Lanes Between would be "Roads of the Skies", Corridors of Darkness would be "Roads of Darkness".
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| *I'm pretty sure the Realm of '''n'''othingness is established as a euphamism for the Realm of Darkness. Everything we've heard said about it applies to things we know happened there, unless I'm missing something.
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| *星の大海 should be "Ocean of Stars", or '''"Star Ocean"'''. The "Taikai" implies that it is bigger than a "Kai" (sea).
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| *"精神世界" has been translated elsewhere as "Soul World", and based on it not being described as one of the fundamental realms, I think it should remain as such, using the alternate "World" translation used by the Sleeping Worlds and Worlds in general. Really, I think the Dive to the Heart is supposed to be the human equivalent of 100 Acre Wood; we certainly see a lot of parallels between the scenes. Then again, I might be missing something.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 21:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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| {{ShardofTruth|time=23:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)|talk=Thanks Kryten, I'll change the translation to your suggestions. Realm of nothingness as a euphamism makes a lot of sense, even if we have the "World of Nothingness" in KHII, but again this could be something completely different. '''Dive to''' the Heart seems to have more connections to the Sleeping Worlds than to the Realm of Light (where it is sorted in at the moment) and I think your 100 Acre Wood comparison is spot on.<br />
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| About Traverse Town and TWTNW, that are all good questions and I can't answer them completely, but here are some facts:
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| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds."
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| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"The Mysterious Tower isn't always standing in a fixed place."
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| *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds."
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| *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was' existence as a world has become uncertain."
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| *'''Famitsu Weekly''':"I want to ask more about The World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?<br />
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| Nomura: When that world's logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it's reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that's when it becomes reality.
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| *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH."
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| *'''Japanese KH3D website''':"You are connected through dreams to the Sleeping Worlds. And if you open the "Keyhole of sleep" in that world... The world will be released.."
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| *'''Englisch KH3D website''':"As there are seven pure lights, there are seven "Sleeping Keyholes." Unlocking these will both grant you new powers and free the worlds from their wakelessness."
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| I start with the case of Traverse Town and how I understood the story: Joshua is the same Joshua from TWEWY, all other characters are created from his memories (or their memories, its really confusing), because they "lost their existences" (or something like that). So basically he goes to the Sleeping Worlds with Rhyme's dreams as his portal. Inside the Sleeping Worlds the memory fragments re-created the other TWEWY characters and Traverse Town on top, because Traverse Town is the place where people end up if they have no more place to go.<br />
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| ::So, hey. If Joshua is explicitly the TWEWY Joshua, and it isn't just allusions (like with Auron)...is TWEWY now in our scope? 'cause I would be totally down for that.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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| :::I thought that was a given when Nomura said Shibuya is a real world. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 03:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::Soooo....are we going to talk to TWEWY wiki about a merge, then? How do we want to go about this?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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| Is there any reason this isn't on the page, or have we just nto gotten around to it yet?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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| :We really just haven't gotten to it. Work on the χ front has been slow because few (like, really only Shard) know how the game is played, so we don't know how to best document it. It's getting there. Where would Daybreak Town go? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 18:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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| == The many translations of the space between the worlds ==
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| With the English translation of the Kingdom Heart Novel bringing another term on the table I thought it would be best to list the previous translations here. The thing is that there are only two Japanese terms for this space.<br>
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| First there is '''星の大海''':
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| :KH - Cid: '''Interspace''' ain't no playground./星の大海をなめるんじゃえぞ! (transcribed from [https://youtu.be/1SlP2PYjXc8?t=11m3s here])
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| :KHBBSFM - Monstro journal entry: A whale monster that lives in the '''star ocean'''./星の大海を住みかにしている巨大なクジラの怪物。
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| :KHFM - Ansem Report #11: I shall set her free and observe./異空の海に送り出してみよう。 (This is why the NA translation of the HD 1.5 ReMIX sucks more than usual by the way).
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| :KH Novel - Ansem Report #11: I have chosen a particular girl to send off into the '''Other Sky ''' and observe./異空の海に送り出してみよう。(At least the translator here put more work into it).
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| :DDD - Sora: After this, Pinocchio and Jiminy's world gets dragged into darkness, and they end up cast into the '''sea between worlds''', along with Monstro./このあと この世界は嵐にのまれてピノキオたちはモンストロといっしょに異空の海に投げ出されて― (transcribed from [https://youtu.be/wtTnmaoimTM?t=8m7s here])
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| :Unofficial Director's Secret Report XIII translations - '''Sea of (other) Skies''' (thewertle), '''Ocean Between''' (Goldpanner, also used in Xehanort's Report II)
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| I'm not sure how we should handle this situation but we should probably use the terms that are closest to the actual meaning and put the rest in a reference or rewrite the intro paragraph completely. Any other ideas?--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Give the evidence you posted, it's clear to say there is no "clear name" at all to refer to the term. I'm at lost to do, too, but I'd like to put in one thing: If it's evident that the term has no clear name that it goes by, then I think the other translations should be mentioned somewhere to reference that fact.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::I believe KHBBSFM and DDD would be the most recent uses for each term, so it would make sense to list under "star ocean", and say "The star ocean, also known as the sea between worlds, etc.", with a ref note covering everything else. We need to specify where each term comes from, though.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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| The vast space between the worlds is known as the {{nihongo|'''star ocean'''|星の大海|Hoshi no Taikai}} (ref1) also translated as '''interspace''' (ref2) or {{nihongo|'''sea between worlds'''|異空の海|Isora no Umi|lit. "sea of other skies"}} (ref3) also translated as '''Other Sky''' (ref4).
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| ::::I'm not sure about the capitalization of these names at all. The connection to the '''Lanes between''' (lit. "Corridors of the Sky", which are somewhat diametrically opposed to the "Corridors of Darkness") is definitely lost in most translations.--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 06:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::Does anyone have the Japanese text for Xehanort's Report II, where it uses the term "Ocean Between"? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 14:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::::I think in this case it's more a description than an actual term, but good to know where Goldpanner's translation comes from. You can find all original Japanese reports [http://wikiwiki.jp/kh_series/?%A5%EC%A5%DD%A1%BC%A5%C8 here]. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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| Kryten, you forgot to sign. Fixed the link for Prankster's Paradise.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :Great work, it's even easier to add new translations to this sentence when we inevitably get them with Kingdom Hearts 3;-) {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 05:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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| First is why does the 100 Acre Wood have the icon from KH1? Why wouldn't it have the icon from KH2?<br/>
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| Next is about Simulated Twilight Town. Space Paranoids is considered it's own world and it's a data-copy of The Grid. Simulated Twilight Town is a data-copy of Twilight Town, so why isn't it considered it's own world as well? <br/>
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| Next is about the Sleeping Worlds. La Cite des Cloches, Prankster's Paradise, The Grid, Country of the Musketeers, and Symphony of Sorcery are no longer in the Realm of Sleep. They have been restored to the Realm of Light, so I don't think that they should be in the Sleeping Worlds section. The worlds that have previously been in the Realm of Darkness are not in the Realm of Darkness section, so why should the wolds that have previously been in the Realm of Sleep be in the Sleeping Worlds section? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.<br/>
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| Could someone please explain to me why these things have been changed? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 23:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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| Can't answer your first question. But the Simulated Twilight Town is a near exact copy of the real Twilight Town, Space Paranoids and The Grid are clearly very different from each other.<br/>
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| Traverse Town, like all the worlds in the Realm Between, have special properties. Like has been stated many times, Traverse Town "appears when someone out there is in need of shelter", so it's possible that its in both the Realm Between and the Realm of Sleep.<br/>
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| When was it ever stated that Dream Eaters can't exist outside the Realm of Sleep? All I remember being stated was that Heartless and Nobodies can't ''enter'' the Realm of Sleep and that as such the Dream Eaters function as a replacement for them there, I don't recall it being said that Dream Eaters can't leave. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| *The 100 Acre Wood image can be changed back, I guess.
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| *Simulated Twilight Town is never indicated to be its own world. It doesn't have a Keyhole, and is not called its own world.
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| *If you can provide a source that they have been ''definitively'' restored to the Realm of Light, we can modify the page accordingly. No such source was provided. No worlds are listed as having previously been in the Realm of Darkness because we've had no indication that things in the Realm of Darkness can still be considered worlds.
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| *A ''portion'' of Traverse Town is confirmed to still be in the Realm of Sleep, just like a ''portion'' of Mysterious Tower was Symphony of Sorcery. There's been no indication that the entirety of Traverse Town is still submerged, unless you can provide a source otherwise.
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| As for the Sleeping Worlds and the Realm of Light, wasn't the whole point of Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery exam to return the Sleeping Worlds to the Realm of Light by sealing the Keyholes? I might be mistaken, it's been a while since I last played DDD.<br/>
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| As for Traverse Town, yeah you're right, I don't think it ever stated anywhere in the game that Dream Eaters can't live outside of the Realm of Sleep. Since Traverse Town is a place where people go when their worlds fall into darkness or disappear somehow, Sora's Dream Eaters most likely ended up there because the Sleeping Worlds that they lived in disappeared and went back to the Realm of Light. It would be interesting if we visit Traverse Town in KH3 to see Sora's Dream Eaters roaming around and maybe even join your party for that world.<br/>
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| And as for the worlds in the Realm of Darkness, worlds do remain intact worlds as we've seen during the BBS secret ending when we see Castle of Dreams, but that was sort of a teaser and might not have been canon. We'll probably have to wait for 0.2 to come out to see if Castle of Dreams still remained as a "world" when in the Realm of Darkness. <br/>
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| Thanks again for the responses. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 04:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| :No, that's not what "intact" means. Castle of Dreams the ''world'' is not shown to be a world in the Realm of Darkness -- the castle itself is shown to be merged with the rest of the world that Aqua is in, like how things were done at End of the World. What is meant by intact is that it's still a little planetoid floating around that we could ''list'' -- it would have a world map and everything. The Sleeping Worlds had a world map despite not appearing in the "Other Sky", so it makes sense to list them as discrete entities, but as far as we know for the Realm of Darkness, it just mashes up all the components of fallen worlds into one combined landscape.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Okay, but what about the Sleeping Worlds situation? Wasn't the whole point of Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery exam to return the Sleeping Worlds to the Realm of Light by sealing the Keyholes? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 20:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| :It's supposed to "free them from their wakelessness", yes, but we don't have confirmation that that's happened yet that I know of. Hopefully KH3 will shed some light on whether those worlds have finally returned to the Realm of Light.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Okay. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 21:43, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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| :In regards to the simulated Twilight Town, the Memorial Ultimania talks about it while mentioning the Datascape, so we could use someone translating that section to provide clarity on the world-status of thsoe two.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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| == Novel oddity ==
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/46fuhd/how_do_they_know_what_the_worlds_are_called_in/ {{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:24, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Huh, that is weird. Then again, Japanese -> English translations may not always be accurate. Does anyone have a copy of the novel in Japanese? Do they do the same thing?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Something I just realized is most likely the actual answer to this. It's probably simply that they make up the names for the worlds/hear them be said somewhere in the world. As for Wonderland, Olympus Coliseum, Deep Jungle, Beast's Castle, etc, they most likely just made up those names and as for Port Royal, Agrabah, Twilight Town, Traverse Town, etc, they most likely heard someone at the world call it that or saw it on a sign or something. This is sort of proven how the names of some worlds change over time, such as Keyblade Graveyard, Disney Castle, etc. Terra, Aqua, and Ven know Disney Castle as Disney Town because that's the part of the world that they went to and Sora knows it as Disney Castle because that's the part of the world ''he'' went to. As for Keyblade Graveyard, they simply knew it as The Badlands and then once they found out that it was called Keyblade Graveyard, that's what the name changed to. So, it seems that all the worlds are called what they are based on what the character you're playing as thinks those worlds are called. It could also be because of Save Points though. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 02:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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| :Keep in mind that the novel isn't canon, and therefore doesn't need an explanation for everything. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Still, I always felt that often some of worlds' names are deliberately avoided in the game's dialogue when they don't appear in the source material. At least in my mind Jiminy's makes them up together with the room names. Other than that the suggestion from the reddit thread, that theese name appear on a display in the Gummi Ship, is another safe bet. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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| I've read the novel again (and am now reading the CoM novel), but they only use the names of worlds that have been used by other characters (like Agrabah and Hollow Bastion). For worlds like Wonderland, only the narrator calls it that. In fact, in the CoM novel, they keep calling the world "Alice's World", although the chapter is called Wonderland. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::I'm fairly certain I remember Donald saying the words "Wonderland", and Sora saying "Deep Jungle". Can you check again for these two?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::Sora does say that the Heartless in Wonderland were stronger than in Traverse Town, but he also says "It's like a land of wonders" before that, so he may have made that name up. I haven't checked Deep Jungle and the later chapters yet. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :This actually shows up in Days as well, on Day 78: "Xion: Then this must have been his castle all along. Beast's Castle. He must be the beast. Do you think he's fighting the Heartless, like us?"{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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| ==Pretty==
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| Pretty sure Sora used a Corridor in the first game to escape his doomed world, although he hardly did it on purpose. ~ [[Special:Contributions/68.54.136.206|68.54.136.206]] 00:27, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ==Cloak==
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| {{unbirthtalk|text=It's said in Re:CoM that the organization cloak protects the users of corridors from Darkness.}}
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| {{TNE|text=In other words, protecting them from their hearts being consumed by the darkness of the Corridors. But someone wanted to see if something was "true" - what '''was''' that something ?}}
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| {{unbirthtalk|text=I think this person wanted a proof of the fact that corridors haven't any effects on Sora, and if the way between Twilight Town and TWTNW was really one of them.}}
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| {{TNE|blahtext=About that......
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| '''Corridors not having any effect on Sora :''' There are two events which support this. One is the spiriting away of Sora from his home island to Traverse Town. He was taken by force through a Corridor of Darkness, but that did not render his heart any weaker. The second is the time when Sora, Donald and Goofy were dragged into the Corridors of Darkness by Maleficent. Sora pretty much survived in there without his heart getting weakened, even without a Black Cloak, while Riku needed one (after his careless usage of the Corridors in the first KH).
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| '''Betwixt and Between :''' For that, I can't really say. I don't think it is. See, both worlds are actually in the Realm of In Between. And from what we see in Betwixt, there are very few traces of darkness (if there are any, methinks it should come from that portal at the end leading to TWNTW). And there's light coming out from the end leading to Twilight Town. So technically, it isn't a Corridor of Darkness.
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| Man, whoever asked for proof on those two has to come here. I haven't seen a trace of him ever since he last posted on the Corridor of Darkness article...}}
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| {{Xiggie|text=I thought that only a frequent user of the Corridors became corrupt. So I think that's the reason why Sora and co. didn't get... eh... darker.}}
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| {{TNE|text=That isn't always the case. At first, it seems hard to understand how Riku, for instance, is so tolerant to the Corridors. That could be because he accepted both light and darkness. However, it should be noted that during his second time in the Corridors, after the tiff with Sora in Neverland, he returned to Hollow Bastion hoping that it'd give him a quicker way out - and his heart was significantly weakened.
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| As for Sora, he seemed to be unaffected during his second time in the Corridors.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|One must remember than in Neverland, he was in heated argument with Sora, and was summoning darkness. His heart would hardly be an example of balance, hard for the darkness to prey on. Sora, however, wasn't even conscious the first time, and all of his emotions were wiped by his surprise when Maleficent did it. Maybe it functions like Occlumency in Harry Potter - if you can keep balance, and not be troubled, it's harder to affect you.
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| The time in the first game did give him some darkness, though - how else would he be able to become a Shadow?}}
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| {{TNE|text=But here's another thought : Sora isn't a pure-hearted guy unlike Kairi. There is a measure of darkness in him. It's that measure of darkness which enables him to become a Shadow, so what difference will it make when he goes through the Corridors ?}}
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| == KH2 door ==
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| Not sure where I should put this, since it's neither the Door to Darkness nor the Door to Light. Maybe we should list it under "Realm Between", since that's where it appears. Do the Ultimanias give it an official name?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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| [[File:Kingdom Hearts' Door 03 KHII.png|thumb|right|200x200px|The Door to Kingdom Hearts in The World That Never Was.]]
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| [[File:Door To Darkness KHII.png|thumb|right|200x200px|The Door to Kingdom Hearts.]]
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| After Xemnas escapes Sora and his friends at the [[Altar of Naught]] by merging with his Kingdom Hearts, a door similar to the Door To Darkness appears, leading to [[the World of Nothing]] Xemnas has created within. Mickey states that the door was a gift from the worlds, who have accepted Sora as their keeper. Sora and the others pass through the door, and after they seemingly defeat Xemnas they return once more to the Altar of Naught, where [[Naminé]] opens a final [[Corridor of Darkness]] to Destiny Islands. Just as Kairi passes through the portal, Xemnas returns on his gigantic Nobody and attacks the tower, dragging Sora and Riku back into the World of Nothing. This time, however, they do not pass through the door.
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| ::Unless the Ultimanias say otherwise, I agree with listing it under "Realm Between." - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ==Time travel==
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| Since it's not a method of traveling between worlds, it shouldn't be in the travel section. Not sure where to put it, though:
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| **[[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]] and [[Young Xehanort]] are two characters capable of traversing through time in a different manner, although the exact means of travel are still unknown. There are many limitations involving this method of time travel. To unlock the ability, Xehanort had to abandon his body, which was achieved when he was split into a Heartless and Nobody. The individual may then travel to an intitial destination where and when a version of themselves existed in some form (i.e. complete person, Heartless, or Nobody). However, any futher jumps in time after the intial point can only be done in a forward direction "with the flow of time." While time travelling in this way, the character cannot alter events that have already occurred. Eventually, the traveler will be forcibly returned to their original time with all memories associated with the time travel supposedly erased.
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| == Gates ==
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| Do we have anything clarifying the relationship between the Gates, the Keyholes, and the Lanes Between?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :Also, is there any way we could get a gallery of the Gate triggers, to replace the list?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| Not that I know of, no. Still, why did you remove the Birth by Sleep line? It uses almost the [http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/570ff2e9152b9-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep-gate.php same animation]. What else would it be? --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::It looked like a Lane between to me, but I see the resemblance now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:32, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::Honestly...the way they descripe Gates, Gummi routes, and Lanes between, it all sounds the same: either a Keyblade wielder, or the destruction of a wall, opens a hole for entities to pass through the walls. Any entity can pass once these are opened, and you can use a Keyblade Glider, Gummi Ship, or any other vessel (Deep Space and Neverland) to travel. Or you can simply walk through, like Vanitas, Aqua, and the Foretellers did, though that's probably more dangerous. The only difference between Gates and Lanes between seems to be how the hole gets opened in the first place -- either the world's Keyhole guides a Keyblade apprentice to open just one or two holes to the next world, or a Keyblade Master, like Eraqus, purposefully opens them all for his apprentices. Since these are so closely linked with Gummi ships, I feel like we should merge the sections -- we really only have three methods of travel in the end.
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| *Passing through holes in the walls using a vehicle
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| *Using a Corridor of Darkness
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| *Teleporting (if that's even what Merlin is doing, rather than just walking through like the Foretellers did).
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| {{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:29, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Does the Memorial Ultimania define the lanes, gates, and gummi routes ''at all''? If not, I'm unsure what to name the combined section -- unless we call it "Lanes between", and simply mention that, like the Gummi routes, anything that knows where the holes in the wall are can pass through them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::There is little information in the Memorial Ultimania on those things, you can find a very rough translation [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here]. The original pages are here: [http://i.imgur.com/5y7bGS2.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/cbvdtxL.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/Cci4OhD.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/dlijy0K.jpg]. There is probably a connection between these travel methods, it just wasn't explained yet. Also there is the case of Betwixt and Between. It's seen both when Kairi leaves Destiny Islands and when Sora enters the corridor in the basement of the Old Mansion. Are these the "lanes" the Corridors of Darkness use? I'll see I can do about the rest of the Gate items, but that's really low priority at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::Could we get a screenshot of the innards of Betwixt and Between, then? Or is there official concept art?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ;Notes
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| Eraqus: So here we are. I need you two to get this situation under control.
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| Eliminate the Unversed, and find Master Xehanort. I have unlocked the Lanes
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| Between. You may use these forbidden pathways to travel between this world and
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| countless others. The darkness looms closer than usual within these spaces,
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| but your armor will protect you. Lastly, remember that order must be kept. You
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| Xehanort's Report II
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| Our Master instructed us to don armor while traveling between worlds, so that we might shield ourselves from the darkness. But there, in the Lanes Between, I could feel the force of it—the power—and from then on, I forwent my armor's "protection." I had been told the darkness would devour me, but what terrors could it possibly hold, so long as I found the strength to control it?
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| The World is vast—and the worlds within the greater World, uncountable. Like little islands, they dot a great Ocean Between which keeps them ignorant of each other, uncorrupted.
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| Each world had its own order. Unlike us, they could not know of the World in its entirety, and we were never to enlighten them.
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| Xehanort's Report V
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| At present, the lanes and corridors that run between the worlds may only be traversed by us Keyblade wielders, and those who have given themselves over to darkness.
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| As the former, our duty is to cross the chasms between worlds and guard against the latter, whose darkness corrupts and contaminates, so that no world need ever be lost again.
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| Few Keyblade wielders remain now; I have heard of but a handful of others outside my circle. But the World is vast, and more of our kind may be out there.
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| Now, in addition to the realm of light in which we reside, there is also a realm of darkness, and the realm between which connects the two. The realm of darkness is most forbidden; I am told none who set foot there have ever returned.
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| ;Federation Council transport ship
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| *Terra passed a spaceship in the Lanes Between and was taken into custody for
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| suspicious activity. When Unversed appeared outside his cell, however, he broke
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| out. After neutralizing the threat, he met Dr. Jumba, creator of the most
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| powerful being in the universe---so powerful, in fact, that he could even take
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| on the Unversed. Unfortunately, this feat of "genius" had landed both Dr. Jumba
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| and his creation, Experiment 626, in the slammer.
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| ;you can go into the Lanes without armor or glider:
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| *At the first chance he got, Terra opened a portal to the Lanes Between and
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| tossed Ven inside. Then he and Eraqus clashed, fighting until they both hardly
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| had the strength to stand. Only then, battered and wounded, did Terra calm down
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| and realize what he had done. He stepped closer to his Master to beg
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| forgiveness, but Eraqus slumped forward and faded away, leaving only his
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| Keyblade behind. Terra looked up, stunned, and saw Master Xehanort.
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| *Ven's body was drifting through the Lanes Between; Aqua was next to him,
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| unconscious. Mickey found them and used the Star Shard to spirit them all to
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| :I'm reading the 358/2 Days Manga, and the insides of the Corridors of Darkness look exactly like Betwixt and Between, with the Nobody symbols and stuff, so I think Betwixt and Between is a Corridor of Darkness. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ==Riku and the door==
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| If all of the barriers were already broken by the Heartless, then why did Riku have to open the door to Destiny Islands in order for the Heartless to show up? What did opening the door do if it didn't crumble the barrier? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 18:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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| :I'm not sure if we're talking about semantics here but there is a difference between the barriers of a world disappearing and the heart of a world being consumed by darkness. What Riku did was opening the way for the Heartless to the world's heart but the Heartless were able to show up before because they are not stopped by the barriers (as seen in KHII). In fact the moment the barrier of Destiny Islands was destroyed should have been the night of the meteor shower years before.
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| :The Ansem report are also very vague on this but if these two events really were the same, we wouldn't have been able to visit any other world in the first game. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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| ::Opening the doors to worlds causes their Gummi barriers to crumble. But, the Heartless already destroyed all of the Gummi barriers around the worlds. Since this is the case, then why would Riku have to open the door to Destiny Islands? Opening a door to a world's heart does nothing aside from cause the Gummi barriers to crumble. They've already been crumbled though, so what did Riku opening the door do? The Heartless don't need a world's door to be opened in order to get its heart. It just the worlds' Keyholes to be unlocked, which they are until Sora goes around locking them. And in order for a bunch of Heartless to arrive at a world, the Gummi barrier needs to be broken. A hoard of Heartless showed up on Destiny Islands after Riku opened the door. "The islands you grew up on were sundered, scattered... Many hearts were lost to the darkness. Because of what YOU did!" "You hated being an islander, cut off from other worlds. So you opened the door to darkness and destroyed the islands. YOU did that! And now you belong to the darkness. Look at what you are!" - Zexion to Riku
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| ::These quotes wouldn't make sense if what Riku did didn't cause the Heartless to show up. But, what Riku did shouldn't have done anything. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 14:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| :::But the Heartless can show up either way, so that's not the issue. They appear in Hollow Bastion before the door is opened (see Ansem reports) and they appear all throughout KHII when the barriers are intact again.I think there are two possible options: Either the barrier was already gone and opening the door (again) lured the Heartless directly to the world's heart, resulting in DI being consumed by darkness and Zexion being factually correct. The other option is that Riku's action only destroyed the barrier, which might have not be gone already but there is no meteor shower in the game to prove that. Either way it could also have attracted the Heartless who consumed the world's heart in the process very fast.
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| :::In the end opening the door resulted in the demise of DI. Maybe the Heartless would have done it themselves given time, but we'll never know that. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| ::::Yeah, Heartless can still show up in a world with its Gummi barriers up. I meant that the Gummi barriers had to be destroyed in order for a whole hoard of Heartless to show up, since it makes it easier for them to show up. But yeah, you're completely right. The answer could be either of those two options. I'd say it's most likely that opening the door lured the Heartless since it's been stated a few times in the first game that all the Gummi barriers were broken prior by the Heartless. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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| :::::I actually just found an interview with Nomura that confirms that all opening the door did, was lure the Heartless in.
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| :::::'''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom —Speaking of “opening the door”, I'm going to move the subject to the previous game. Why when Riku opened Destiny Island's door, this accidentally called the darkness? Do the powers of Keyblade wielders that are called “Heroes of Light” are connected to darkness?]'''
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| :::::'''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom Nomura:]''' ''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom Currently Sora and co. are the only Keyblade wielders and they're doing things that grant them the titles “Heroes of Light” but, as stated in the first game's Ansem Report #8 and the secret movie this time, the real Keyblade wielders “can bring chaos to the world, just as one can bring peace to it.”]'' --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 21:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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| ==Scrooge==
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| How did Scrooge get to Twilight Town?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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| == World Logo Fonts ==
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| one i'd like to know is the fonts that are used in each world title like castle of dreams for example. --[[Special:Contributions/24.0.175.56|24.0.175.56]] 22:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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| == Org XIII Capturing Hearts ==
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| I suppose it isn't ''directly'' confirmed, but someone on the KH subreddit said Org XIII captures hearts in Days and KH2 by using corridors of darkness to transport freed hearts (from defeated Emblems) to their artifical KH. You can see it here: https://youtu.be/ww2iS3d3GRE?t=33066
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| Do we have enough sold info to add it to the page, or does that qualify as speculation? --[[User:Mikoto|Mikoto]] ([[User talk:Mikoto|talk]]) 22:12, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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| == Door to Light ==
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| If I recall correctly, Nomura confirmed somewhere that the light of Sora's heart, brought out by Kairi's letter, was what opened the Door to Light at the end of KH2. But I can't find the source for that now. Anyone have it? --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 04:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :I think this is what you're referring to?
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| :'''''[[Director's Secret Report XIII]]''', Question III'': "This means that in the ending Sora and Riku are looking at an ocean in the Realm of Darkness from a beach in the Realm Between. This also means that the scene of the door appearing in the ocean of darkness at the end was symbolic of Sora's "deep down, there's a light that never goes out" line from the first game." —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 13:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::Close, but not quite. This would in regards to Sora asking Riku why the door appeared in the after credits scene from KH2, and Riku gesturing at his heart. I swear, in some interview somewhere, someone asked how they got out of there... --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 21:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::Maybe the Memorial Ultimania? This is a translation of the Japanese version, not the official English release, but it's close: "When Sora and Riku were lost in the Realm of Darkness, they found hope in a letter they received from Kairi and were then able to find the Door of Light." —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 21:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::No, this specifically mentioned the light of Sora's heart opening the door. IDK, maybe I made it up after all, lol. --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 08:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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