Editing Talk:Ultima Weapon

I think we should add in wich world you can get each keyblade for the first time in KH: CoM [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 00:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:That was kind of the point of the "description" tab (to write the description given in the game, which includes that bit of information), as seen [[Crabclaw|here]]. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 01:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm asking this because I'm already at hollow bastion in CoM so I want to have it to kill everything that puts on my way [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 01:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:The description is followed with the journal's record, and as to obtain the UW, you have to finish reverse rebirth, re-load Sora's game, and find it in the Moogle Shop(random) or Random key to rewards in Castle Oblivion--[[user: NeloAngelo|N/A]]
:: -.- well thanks anyways. [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 14:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Undid vandalism- [[User:Sora G. Strife|Sora G. Strife]] 06:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

==Synthesis ?==
{{TNE|text=It's possible to get Save The Queen+ and Save The King+, but is ever possible to get a + version of Ultima Weapon ? From both the synthesis lists I've seen in KHII and KHIIFM, there's an extra slot below Ultima Weapon, implying that there is an enhanced version of it.

Has anyone done this before ?}}

{{KrytenKoro|I always thought the KHII version ''was'' the + version. After all, you have to use a Serenity Crystal to make it.}}

{{TNE|text=I don't know for sure. All I do know is that there's an extra slot under the synthesised Ultima Weapon.}}

== Similarity? ==

{{Drake|time=00:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)|text=Anyone else think the Ultima Weapon looks a bit like the [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_Blade Treaty Blade] from Final Fantasy XII?}}

{{TNE|text=First Ultima Weapon, yes, because of its filigree. Second Ultima weapon, I don't think so.}}

*The recipe for Ultima Weapon in KHII is wrong - it only requires one Orihalcum.

== Appearance ==

{{KrytenKoro|For most things I would agree (though the central wiki does suggest a description for those readers whose computers aren't fast enough to handle the images), but the Keyblades are heavily symbolic - especially the tokens, which few people recognize.

But you're right, we were wrong about the Dream Sword.}}

Even if the image is right there, like Kryten said, Keyblades have details that not always are visible at first sight. I, for example, are the type of person to pass by that kind of details. I'd rather have the description paragraph to emphisize those little details. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 02:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:The "symbolism" is entirely speculation. Beyond the most obvious, such as the Greek theme to the Olympus Keyblades, saying things like "the heart in this Keyblade represents the time Sora became a Heartless" is silly and grasping at straws. If there's something to be said about the appearance, then it shouldn't be two paragraphs and given its own section. [[User:Interobangu|Interobangu]] 04:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
::The "Appearance" section is standard for all keyblades. Maybe the description was a bit lengthy, but it's not really affecting or taking away from the article. Sometimes, the wiki acts up and the images don't show (for some, at least), so the description is the only way someone can identify it. I say it should be restored and shortened. -[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 00:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


== 7 vs. 13 ==

{{EO|time=01:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=While the recipe for Ultima Weapon in KH2 requires 13 Oricalchum+, I got it before fighting Sephiroth as a precaution with only 7? Why was this? An error? I don't think the actual article needs to be changed...I just want to see if the reason I believe this is so is correct...}}
{{KrytenKoro|"An Energy Crystal is required to reduce the Orichalcum+ required for synthesis, as there are only 7 in the game; this means that the Ultima Recipe cannot be synthesized unless the Moogles are at least level 2."}}
{{EO|time=01:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Figured. Thanks for clearing this up.}}

I realised the other day that there are 7 members left in the organisation at the start of KH 2. [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself </font>''']] [[User talk:Myself 123|'''<font color="Black">123</font>''']] 00:06, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:Why, of course ! I think we mentioned that somewhere. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 00:52, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

== 358/2 days ==

I used a ar code, and the ultima weapon was available in 358/2 days. it's just roxas's keyblade with a longer combo. [[Special:Contributions/75.72.25.219|75.72.25.219]] 22:36, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
:"Ultima Weapon" is a weapon ability in Days. It's the final rewards for completing Challenges.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:03, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

== Moogle Rank ==

There's three possible Ranks I could see as the requirement. I think 4 is the applicable one, but I'm unsure of the exact mechanics of using Serenity Crystals in this recipe.

# Level 2 (Novice Moogle) - Brightness or Energy Materials can be used in recipes.
# Level 3 (Junior Moogle) - Serenity Materials can be used.
# Level 4 (Skilled Moogle) - Two kinds of special materials (Brightness, Energy, or Serenity) can be selected at a time.

Obviously, you need to be able to use the Energy Crystal, so you must be at least Rank 2. However, I'm unsure of whether the Level 3 upgrade refers to using Serenity Materials at all, or just as a modifier. Also, I'm unsure of whether the Serenity Crystals in the Recipe still count as a modifiers.

Is there anyone here who's gotten to the end of the game without synthesizing? If so, can you get the recipe and ingredients, and then check what level you have to be at to synthesize the Ultima Weapon?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:38, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, not sure. But by the time you get the recipe AND 7 orichalcum+, odds are you'll be past level 4, if you've been synthesizing. (I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T be synthesizing, though) [[Special:Contributions/68.190.210.240|68.190.210.240]] 00:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Birth By Sleep ==

{{NeutraVega| http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3526/ultimah.jpg Whalah!  So, we're almost there.}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=It looks a lot like the KHII Ultima Weapon.......... Why couldn't it be more original?}}
{{TNE|time=01:08, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=I think they should leave it at that. Every Ultima Weapon has the trademark filigree pattern, though I agree the colour could have been changed to make it look less like the KHII one. But never mind. It looks lovely. ^.^}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=I agree with that. It's just.... The first one was green and yellow. That was my favorite one. The second one was blue and white. I liked that one. This one should have been a lighter red and.... Some other color.}}
{{TNE|time=02:13, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think they were keeping with the blue theme of BBS. But if that's the case, then the KHII Ultima Weapon should've been silver-hued !}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=And the KH one should have been dark blue hued!}}
{{TNE|time=02:35, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=Gaaaahhhh... there are some things I'll never understand.}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=Nor will I.}}
{{KrytenKoro|This has been up in the forums for a while. HoO found it.}}
{{Venkix|text= Okay so liiiikee......shouldn't we add this weapon in the article then sine it's in birth by sleep?}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=I guess NeutraVega did. And to Venkix, do you have the RTE on? Because everytime you leave a message there are tons of spaces.}}
{{Venkix|text= whats RTE? but why isn't there an article on the birth by sleep ultima weapon?}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=The Rich Text Editor. It's an emmisary from hell to this wiki. You should ask someone how to turn it off. I'm not entirely sure how to. And we have all the Ultima Weapons on the same page. It'll get added when there's more info.}}
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 *The recipe for Ultima Weapon in KHII is wrong - it only requires one Orihalcum.
-Kinda late, but from looking at the image of the Treaty and King Blades from FFXII, I can say that KH1 Ultima resembles the King Blade, and KH2 Ultima resemlbes the Treaty Blade. --Evnyofdeath 21:00, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 == Appearance ==
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 I used a ar code, and the ultima weapon was available in 358/2 days. it's just roxas's keyblade with a longer combo. [[Special:Contributions/75.72.25.219|75.72.25.219]] 22:36, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 :"Ultima Weapon" is a weapon ability in Days. It's the final rewards for completing Challenges.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:03, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
-Should it be mentioned in the article? I mean, if CoM counts...[[Special:Contributions/66.56.199.131|66.56.199.131]] 21:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
-I think there should be either a subarticle or article about Days' Ultima Weapon, for those who don't really know what it is (To be honest, I don't know what it is, either). I think that'd be helpful. --[[Special:Contributions/71.223.68.218|71.223.68.218]] 18:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:There is. [[Ultima Weapon (ability)]].[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 18:26, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
-Well, should that be mentioned in this article?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 14:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-:...it is.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 15:26, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-Shouldn't this just be merged with the ability cos its not exactly an ability anyway and is a lonely bare stub there so I think breaking the rules for once is good as it is for the right reason. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
-:Nope.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 == Moogle Rank ==
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 {{Venkix|text= whats RTE? but why isn't there an article on the birth by sleep ultima weapon?}}
 {{Randomnessity|isa=The Rich Text Editor. It's an emmisary from hell to this wiki. You should ask someone how to turn it off. I'm not entirely sure how to. And we have all the Ultima Weapons on the same page. It'll get added when there's more info.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|The reason why it's not up there yet - do you know the stats? Do you have a high-quality sprite? Do you know the keyblade description, or exactly how to get it?}}
-{{TNE|time=00:18, January 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=To turn off the RTE, hit your Preferences menu on the top right corner of this page. Then hit Editing, or something like that, and there's a box which says "Enable Rich Text Editor". Please uncheck that box.
-As for the Keyblade, we can indicate that it's in Birth by Sleep, but not include the stats until the English release or until someone gets the stats.}}
-The BBS Ultima Weapon is won after completing Level 30 of Mirage Arena.[[User:Vaddie|Vaddie]] 03:03, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
-:Gaaaaaahhhhh, they '''''had''''' to make it a Joint Struggle-exclusive thing. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">★ Joyeux</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Wiki</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">versaire ! ★</font>]]'''</big> 06:13, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
-to be fair you can play joint struggle solo if you can't get friends to play with, or a ps3 with Ad hoc party.(going without at least one other person is alot harder though:(.[[Special:Contributions/70.144.122.234|70.144.122.234]] 19:55, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
-Do we know if it's available for ALL characters? I'm assuming it is, but is there any confirmation? [[Special:Contributions/24.205.43.42|24.205.43.42]] 20:05, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
-The Strength is 7 and the Magic is 6. There are keyblades with higher stats in one category or another (Chaos Reaper, Bright Crest, etc.) but the Ultima has the best all around stats. Its obtained by completing the Mirage Arena. Not sure what it's caption is. [[User:AsanoHa|AsanoHa]] 03:04, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
-[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/783/cimg0839p.jpg Ultimaweapon]
-here ya go for stats, as AsanoHa said: strength 7 Magic 6 and Terra, Aqua, and Ventus can all obtain it by completing Level 30 of the Mirage Arena. :) [[User:Aoyoku|Aoyoku]] 11:16, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
-:We already know about that screenshot. ''However'', can you show that it has the same stats for each character, and can you source how it is obtained?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 11:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
-::ah! Understood, will look into that [[User:Aoyoku|Aoyoku]] 19:16, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
-Wouldn't it be cool if it glows like that AS YOU'RE USING IT?! [[Special:Contributions/24.205.43.42|24.205.43.42]] 15:00, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
-Can't you check the stats on the Birth by Sleep Ultimania. Go oh KH13, they have that book in the gallery. There, you can find the page that shows the stats of Ultima weapon in birth by sleep (page is "bbsu031")--[[User:Xsonicdragon|Xsonicdragon]] 04:18, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
-== Ultima Weapon Images For BBS ==
-{{LA|Vtext=Hmm... I see these haven't been put on the article yet, so I'm putting them here.}}
-<gallery>
-File:Ultima Weapon (Aqua) KHBBS.png|Aqua
-File:Ultima Weapon (Terra) KHBBS.png|Terra
-File:Ultima Weapon (Ventus) KHBBS.png|Ventus
-</gallery>
-{{KrytenKoro|Thanks. As soon as we have solid, confirmed, verifiable, etc. info (basically, when we have a copy of the Bradygames guide), we can add these to the article. There was just too much of a mess with the Days stuff, though, to be putting stuff in now.}}
-== Helpp! ==
-In com, is it possible to epuip more than 3 ultima weapons?-Later Kupos
-I don't know. I haven't beaten CoM. I have beaten ReCoM
-==Detection Saber==
-Anyone else think it looks exactly like the Edge of Ultima? It's only slightly different in size. Should this be noted in the article? [http://en.kendincos.net/video-rvhhrnhl-kh2-secret-items-detection-saber-edge-of-ultima-and-fake.html] <span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> 23:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
-==Synthesis==
-It appears that the Ultima Weapon could be synthesized with 4 Orichalcum+s. I haven't done this myself, but if the Moogles are leveled up to 9 (so that rank S items' materials are cut in half) AND an Energy Crystal is provided, it appears to cut it in half again. This was tested with Power Boost, and I was able to decrease Blazing/Lightning/Lucid Crystal requirements from 3->2 with level 9 Moogles then 2->1 with an Energy Crystal. Suppose the same is true of the Ultima Weapon? <span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> 23:02, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
-{{Falcos|mask=Sorry to burst your bubble, but... The level S cut-in-half thing only applies to things you've already made one of.}}
-No bubble bursting there. Thanks for the info. :) <span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> 00:49, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
-== Re:coded ==
-In the English version, its levels are marked ">" through ">>>>". I tried to add this to the infobox, but it seems to cause it to break. Could this possibly be fixed? -[[User:Destare|Destare]] 11:58, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
-Also, we might need an explanation on how to get it in Re:Coded as well... --[[User:Lord Captain Cecil Harvey|Lord Captain Cecil Harvey]] 01:31, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
-:It's there already.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
-Indeed? Where exactly? --[[User:Lord Captain Cecil Harvey|Lord Captain Cecil Harvey]] 04:06, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
-:Click the KH R:c tab on the info box and scroll to the bottom. Evnyofdeath 04:08, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
-== Sections ==
-Does the obtainment info need to be separated into sections? Does their even need to be an obtainment section?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
-: Considering these days we leave it to the infobox, probably not, unless there's something special.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 09:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
-::Right. There's no story information, and the only reason I wrote those passages to begin with was to highlight that the Ultima Weapon is always difficult to obtain. If that chain, that theme is broken, I see little point to that section.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
-== Edge of Ultima in 2.5 HD ReMIX ==
-Should we make note of the fact that in ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX'', according to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXHMf6uT2Is this video at 3:17], that the "Edge of Ultima" is translated as "Frontier of Ultima?" This is most likely insignificant, but I thought I'd point it out. It's another example of changed translation in the game, where "Edge" becomes "Frontier," a la "Burst Edge"/"Burst Frontier." - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 12:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
-:Seems fair. And funny.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
-== X-blade ==
-The X-blade page mentions this one in the design section. Considering the in-universe chronology, should we perhaps mention the X-blade here as well? The implication, at least in my head, is that the Ultima Weapon are artificial Keyblades best attempt to replicate the X-blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
-:That depends on how you define "artificial" since all Keyblades were man-made "in the image of the original χ-blade". [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
-::I'm defining it as "all Keyblades other than the X-blade". Basically, the implication I'm reading is that the Ultima Weapon is the closest that man-made Keyblades can get to being like the X-blade; the Ultima Weapon is consistantly stated to be the "ultimate (i.e., final) Keyblade".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
-:::Then go ahead and mention it if you want. I'd rather not, but what do I know? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 22:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
-== Dream Sword ==
-Can we revise that to something like "has a sword of a similar type to the Dream Sword", or something? It's plainly a different design.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:36, 15 May 2019 (UTC)