Editing Talk:Tron

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Why is tron one of the most important Disney character.

Idk... i think we should change that..also, should we have individual pages for limits or just leave them on the person's page who does that limit? or just put them all on the limit page and separate them by person?(spidy)

== yeah ==

but we should not change it just say citation needed
Well, if you say so.. im all for changing or just getting rid of it..


NEW i think its because he is the reason hollow bastion changed to radiant garden

==Tron was never human==
"Unlike his movie counterpart, Tron speaks as if he had never experienced human life or emotions, contrary to having a fleshy form that was digitized into the virtual world."

I think whoever wrote this was confusing Tron with the film's human protagonist Kevin Flynn.  Tron was always a program.  Flynn was the one with the "fleshy form that was digitized into the virtual world."

== Heart.....Heartless? ==

Now, Tron is not technically human, but does he have any sort of heart?--[[User:Nanohano|Nanohano]] 23:56, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

{{NitrousX|text=I think he has a heart of some sort. But one different from that of Sora's}}

Well don’t you need a [[Body]] and [[Soul]] to have a heart? Does he have those?--[[User:Nanohano|Nanohano]] 03:25, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't think he can qualify for one, while he does seem to have some emotional range, He's still a computer program. So he can't really become a Heartless, but who know... Still one thing confuses me, Tron's dacing at the end. Someone said that Sora created it. That's ummm.. unlikey, since he types using Hunt and Peck. I think it'd be more like Leon, or Cid. [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 19:05, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Nitrous it's called his Identity Disk as it does what a heart would do it stores the information/memories of who tron is. And I'm going with the with the Kingdom Heart's definition of Heart and well the definition of Identity DIsk and I'm aware how old these above posts are I'm just saving other people the trouble of looking it up themselves.--[[User:Xander19|Xander19]] 06:46, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

== Correct Infomation? ==

{{Uxie|time=16:08, December 23, 2010 (UTC)|zoe=What Tron said when he's first encounted seems to predict the events of the second film he's in:

Tron said that the ENCOM version (and his former self) were destroyed. The film did show that the computer world (known as The Grid) was destroyed. I just saw the film a few hours ago; I was quite sad about Tron's death in the film, y'know.

I wonder how (and when) [[Ansem the Wise]] was able to get the data info needed for his computer (and creating [[Space Paranoids]] as a result)? I'm pritty sure ENCOM is in another world, and this took place years before BbS. Any ideas?}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=I don't think Tron actually got derezzed in ''Legacy'' but we'll leave that for another day.

If I remember correctly, it was stated in ''KHII'' that someone (who, I don't remember) got their hands on a copy of ENCOM's operating system, and Space Paranoids as a result. They modified it to be the Hollow Bastion OS that we see in the game.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=5:55pm, December 23, 2010 (UTC)}}}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Ansem got, supposedly, a backup of the original OS from that timeframe. I'm betting it was from a X-blade-destroyed-esque blast what sent it to Radiant Garden.}}

{{Uxie|time=04:13, December 24, 2010 (UTC)|luna=I've just saw the film. I saw Tron fall. He might have been unconceous until the blast that destroyed the world; since no other place has been seen (only an open plain), it's assumed that Tron has been derezzed along with everything else.

I wonder how such data could reach [[Radiant Garden]] prior to BbS? My rummor has it that someone stole the data from ENCOM's world (possably [[Master Xehanort]] or someone else who can travel worlds), then gave it to [[Ansem the Wise]] in exchange for something. This would have had to take at least nine years prior to BbS, as it was already destroyed by KHII. Just my thoughts...}}

Sorry in advance but this is gonna be long

Maybe that Master Xehanort theory is correct but it was seen that Scrooge McDuck could travel between worlds so anyone could really if they had the means to. Another possibility is that Flynn's Arcade(fanname for the proper User world) was destroyed during the time between BBS and KH1 and someone managed to save a copy of the grid/Space Paranoids and have it sent to a nearby world saving it and leading to the events in KH2(personally I'd bet on a Jet Bradley connection there)

In 3D and/or KH3 they could visit the real world Space Paranoids originated from and get sucked in a end up trying to find tron and helping sam, quorra and kevin get out leading to a confrontation with rinzler where Kevin Flynn reveals it to be tron, who eventually not only remembers Flynn but also somehow remembers Sora Donald and Goofy, can't really explain why though, leading to the whole events in the user world and they see Alan Bradley in the distance and think he's tron but realize he's too old or something and then they watch like they do for every other couple as Sam and Quorra ride off to see the sunrise.[[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xander19|"Xander19"]]

{{17m|text= If SDG met the copy Tron on KHII then how can the real Tron remember them?}}


I am very glad you asked that. hypothetically speaking if Tron despite being a program had a heart than despite being a copy his 'heart' would be connect to his real self sorta like in chain of memories where Leon and the others hadn't met Sora before but their is a sense of familiarity there thus he remembers sora despite never meeting for real as with the HB gang in CoM get it? [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xander19|"Xander19"]]

{{Uxie|time=10:09, January 10, 2011 (UTC)|zoe=I doubt that could happen. Remember: The Grid has already been destroyed due to Flynn's sacrafice to destory Clu by KHII. Shortly before Clu became evil, someone got the copy. Then 20 years later, Sam would have came by and encouraged his father to do something, leading up to him (Sam) and Quorra escaping and Flynn giving himself up to destroy Clu.

Tron was an antagonist in the film, because his memories have been erased. He became known as Rinzler and became a popular masked warrior. Tron nearly killed Sam, but took him to Clu after seeing blood coming out of the young man. He soon got back his memories and used a Kamikaze attack to help Flynn, Sam and Quorra escape, but fell into the ocean below and drowned, but not before his circulets became white again.

For this to make sence, the copy would have had to be aquired at least ''nine years'' before BbS (thus, ''20 years'' prior to KHII). Then, the events of the second film would take place prior to the kidnapping of [[Kairi]]. But how the Radiant Garden Tron knows about this is still confusing, y'know.}}

{{17m|text= ....Or maybe the story just progressed, like all of the sudden Clu came to the Space Paranoids through the internet and he changed Space Paranoid into The Grid. Yes, internet can be dangerous people.

And btw, Xander19, Maybe you already know but I'll tell you, just in case. instead of typing/copy-pasting the entire link of your userpage, you can just type User:Xander19 like this: <nowiki> [[User:Xander|"Xander19"]] </nowiki>}}

{{Uxie|time=04:40, January 11, 2011 (UTC)|zoe=I don't know what you are talking about. This Tron is only a copy. He can have memories of his real self from between his creation to when he was copied. The real Tron became Rinzler and lost his memories.

Besides, The Grid was destroyed due to the deaths of Flynn and Clu, and Tron/Rinzler died along with them. Thus, the events of the second film are somewhat cannon in the KH seires, much like the first film. And the reason why? It's because the Radiant Garden Tron said that The Grid was destroyed.}}

First I replayed the game and RG Tron never mentioned anything about the original grid being destroyed though 17m's suggestion about CLU is feasible when you consider all the other crazy things in the kingdom hearts universe. Or it could end up like I said with the real Tron, then Rinzler, remembering thanks to Sora, as he connects everything. Or it's plays out like the movie with Sora's addition altering the story slightly. And it is possible for there to be a copy of the Grid V2 considering Sam made one at the end of the movie, though that was a back-up copy to try fix things.
Oh and thank you 17m I didn't know that could work :) [[User:Xander19|Xander19]]

Oh and I just thought of something if they did go with the original world, Grid of Legacy(my new fanname for that world), then everything is connected by having a certain other User being a Keyblade Master. Or is that not a good idea to have that to make sense. Or copy Tron in Legacy world but somehow that might take away how awesome Legacy was (I am being a little sarcastic cause chances are 17m had the right idea in the first place if they do use Tron Legacy in a future game but I would prefer to see the real world not the copy even if it's all a flashback of somekind) [[User:Xander19|Xander19]]

==Antagonist?==
{{Uxie|time=05:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)|luna=Since SP is set to return, what will happen to Tron is unknown. Whether he'll be an ally or enemy is unknown at this point, but if anyone remembered the second fim, he's more likely to serve as a villain in DDD. I beleave that some unknown program known as [[Clu]] takes control of the Hollow Bastion OS and brainwashes Tron into working for him. Sora and Riku soon enter the computer world, find out from someone (likely Quora or Castor) on what happened, then later confront Clu and Tron, derezzing the former and (presumally) freeing the latter.

Maybe they would befriend Quora, should she appear. Another part is that Clu is after her, as she is an ISO (much like how Jafar was after Jasmine). Quora would befriend Sora and Riku and help them out with their battle with Clu.

Well, just a rummor on the plotline. I worry for Tron, since I've really enjoyed him since Zephyr.}}

{{17m|text= Rinzler'll probably be a Boss Fight, and I don't think we'll de-rezz Clu personally since in the movie he wasn't killed... I think.

I still find this movie's plot awful, let's hope the gameplay can make up to it.}}

{{Uxie|time=15:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)|text=One thing they should do is insure Rinzler is alive at the end of this story. He was killed in the film, as we currently assume.}}

== Rinzler ==

Considering that the indications are that we do ''not'' get to see Space Paranoids again, I don't think it's wise for us to be equating Rinzler with Tron yet.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.195|192.249.47.195]] 22:37, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
{{LightRoxas|zero=With the recent trailer we know that Tron and Rinzler are definitely the same, but we don't know if it is the same Tron, as the world is indeed called The Grid, and it seems increasingly likely that this Tron is completely different. So do we want to have two "Tron" articles, one for each entity of Tron, or should we have them as one and the same article?}}
{{Maggosh|flint=<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Do I have to go through this again?

*The original Tron exists on the ENCOM servers.
*That Tron was copied over to The Grid, Kevin Flynn's private server. He lost to CLU 2 while protecting Flynn and was repurposed as Rinzler.
*Space Paranoids as a whole is a copy of ENCOM's ''entire'' server; Tron, Sark and the MCP included.

Thus, while both copies of Tron are from the same original, they were not introduced into the same world, and grew separate from each other. Space Paranoids Tron =/= Rinzler.}}

{{LightRoxas|zero=Did you even read my comment? 

''"...it seems increasingly likely that this Tron is completely different. So do we want to have two "Tron" articles, one for each entity of Tron, or should we have them as one and the same article?"'' 

I know all of what you said, (although I don't think any of it has been confirmed) but the question remains: do we have two separate articles for each Tron character, or treat Tron as an entity and have just one article? That is the decision we have to make.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Everything Maggosh said was explicitly in KHII, except for the CLU 2 bit which is part of Tron: Legacy.

As maggosh implied, explicitly separate characters means separate articles. For the minor Data- and Memory- characters, we can probably just split the story sections into multiples (similar to "Other appearances"), and we might have to do some kind of "Dream-" thing depending on whether the Realm of Sleep is essentially time travel or another "false" set of worlds.}}
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 As maggosh implied, explicitly separate characters means separate articles. For the minor Data- and Memory- characters, we can probably just split the story sections into multiples (similar to "Other appearances"), and we might have to do some kind of "Dream-" thing depending on whether the Realm of Sleep is essentially time travel or another "false" set of worlds.}}
-{{Uxie|time=04:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)|angela=So in some words, it's either Rinzler or Dream Tron? I prefer to refer to the DDD Tron as Rinzler. Also, I don't really beleave The Grid to be fause (same with La Cité des Cloches and Prankster's Paradise); rather, I currently think of it as Tron's dream (yes, I mean the Radiant Garden Tron) of his original self's destiny. The only world in the series to be truely fause was Deep Jungle.}}
-{{Maggosh|nathan=...Uxie, are you on crack?}}
-{{Uxie|time=06:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)|text=Crack? I don't know what you are talking about. Oh, and thanks for starting the draft for Rinzler. :)}}