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| --[[User:SquallLeonheart332000|SquallLeonheart332000]] 22:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC) I think he wasn't dual-wielding. I think he forged another version of Destiny's Embrace for Kairi since he was in Ansem form at that time and he did not have a Keyblade.
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| == How 'bout Aqua's chances of dual-wielding (if she gets her own weapon back)? == | | == How 'bout Aqua's chances of dual-wielding (is she gets her own weapon back)? == |
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| Just wanna know: can Aqua dual-wield her own Stormfall Keyblade (on her right hand) along with the Master Keeper (on her left hand) through Synch Blade without joining hearts with anyone who lost their own heart or life especially Eraqus? | | Just wanna know: can Aqua dual-wield her own Stormfall Keyblade (on her right hand) along with the Master Keeper (on her left hand) through Synch Blade without joining hearts with anyone who lost their own heart or life especially Eraqus? |
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| CLUE: Aqua left her own Keyblade and Armor with the then Terra-Xehanort and currently own her dead Master's Keyblade with currently no chance to grab it back ever since. [[User:Smackdown599|Smackdown599]] 11:39, 27 June 2011 (EDT) | | CLUE: Aqua left own Keyblade and Armor with the then Terra-Xehanort and currently own her dead Master's Keyblade with currently no chance to grab it back ever since. |
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| == Wait one effing second... == | | == How 'bout Aqua's chances of dual-wielding (is she gets her own weapon back)? == |
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| Riku doesn't actually ever use Synch Blade. Not once does he hold more than one Keyblade at a time. Isn't what he did exactly the same as what Aqua did in the Final Episode?
| | Just wanna know: can Aqua dual-wield her own Stormfall Keyblade (on her right hand) along with the Master Keeper (on her left hand) through Synch Blade without joining hearts with anyone who lost their own heart or life especially Eraqus? |
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| What ''exactly'' did that interview say, again? I think Nomura may have pulled another fast one on us...
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| Also, since I brought up Aqua's Keyblade, I think I have an idea where Riku got Destiny's Embrace... --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 18:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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| :"Riku's 'Way to the Dawn' and Kairi's Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora's. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, '''as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi.'''"
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| ::The wording implies that Riku handed the Soul Eater to Kairi, which only makes sense if the Destiny's Embrace was a form of his Way to the Dawn/Soul Eater. I don't remember what Aqua did, but I don't believe she created a copy of her Keyblade and gave it to anyone else.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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| Aqua gave someone a Keyblade she had in her possession, and then used another one she had in her possession. It seems a lot closer to what Riku did than what Sora and Roxas do. As for what Nomura said, I'm suspicious about his wording, particularly whether "it" still refers to Soul Eater or not, but really, I expect he had no real explanation at the time, and there's gonna be a retcon, assuming the issue ever gets addressed.
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| However, the most significant reason I don't think Riku is using Synch Blade, specifically, is the fact that at no point was he holding both Destiny's Embrace and Way to the Dawn. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 08:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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| :Okay, but the implication is still that both Keyblades were his, and the only instances we've seen of that beyond actually picking up another Keyblade is Synch Blade. Furthermore, Riku has the requisite two hearts within him to provide for Synch Blade, and there's no indication that anyone gave him the Destiny's Embrace...unless he somehow grabbed Aqua's Keyblade from the Chamber of Repose. Which would explain why the hell both of them have the Destiny's Embrace, I guess. I dunno, we're sure to find out as soon as we meet up with Aqua again....doesn't the 20 mysteries thing mention this situation at all?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 08:33, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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| That is literally the exact idea I had. Obviously that just raises other questions, but it would be very cool if it were true. Also what second heart does Riku have?
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| 20 Mysteries stated that Roxas and Sora wield Sora's Keyblade and Ventus's Keyblade, and that's about all. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Anyways, what I'm saying is, Synch Blade is wielding two Keyblades at once. Riku never does that, and I don't think even Nomura refers to his pulling out Destiny's Embrace as an instance of Synch Blade. Where Riku got it is a different question, and not necessarily related to my point that we shouldn't include him along with Sora and Roxas as a user of S.B. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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| The heart that was with Riku was Terra-Xehanort's, even in KHII it should still be inside him that would explain why he had Ansem SoD form, maybe the second keyblade he used was MX's since Terra's keyblade is with the LW, also according to the lead in this article Synch blade is the ability to summon another keyblade, even though he is never seen summoning DE he didn't seem to have it earlier so I would say that it is safe to assume that he summoned it, and he did summoned 2 just because he borrowed one to Kairi before summoning the other one doesn't mean that he didn't summoned both --{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}
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| :::Synch Blade is the ability to summon 2 Keyblades ''at once''. Any Keyblade wielder can summon two different Keyblades, as evidenced by Mickey and Aqua. Like I said, Riku summoned D'sE, gave it to Kairi, and ''then'' summoned WttD.
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| :::Also, I'm not necessarily saying Riku ''can't'' use Synch Blade, especially if you're right about him having Xehanort's heart, just that he didn't. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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| ::The ability description for Synch Blade is "Equips a Keyblade in each hand. The ability of the left hand weapon becomes available as well."...so I guess an easy way to figure this out is, does Riku use a different hand for each Keyblade?
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| ::Per Aqua and Mickey...I'm actually a bit concerned about how this whole "finding someone else's Keyblade" thing works, especially since Master Xehanort is at least able to telekinese other Keyblades. (Nomura, this is the problem with trying to Mary Sue all of your characters in defiance of the mythology you originally set up!) The implication either seems to be that two hearts are ''not'' necessary for everybody, just Sora, or that as soon as you hand one of your Keyblades to someone else, it's no longer considered Synch Blade...which leaves the door open for Sora just handing out infinite Keyblades to his friends.
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| ::Basically--are we interpreting Riku as having infinite Keyblades to hand out like he did to Kairi, or do we interpret Master Xehanort, Aqua, and Mickey as having absorbed someone's heart when they got their additional Keyblades?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 20:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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| :I ''really'' don't think that makes a good argument, but Riku hands Kairi D'sE with his left hand. He's never shown summoning it, or using it.
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| :MX is not exactly wielding those Keyblades per se.
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| :And what I gather is that any Keyblade wielder can use any other wielder's Keyblade, but a Keyblade's primary allegiance is with it's original wielder (exception being the Keyblade Key which permanently became Sora's in Hollow Bastion). What qualifies as Synch Blade is using two Keyblades at once. So DW Roxas, those 3 drive forms, and Sora's using WttD during the final battle are Synch Blade. I would surmise that a Keyblade wielder's heart can summon and maintain one Keyblade in their "possession" at a time, and that it takes two hearts to summon and use two Keyblades at once; in Aqua's case, I would guess that she somehow removed her Keyblade from her "possession" when she gave it to Terra-Xehanort, which is why she used Master Keeper instead of summoning Rainstorm back.
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| :I don't know what you mean by "infinite Keyblades". I'm pretty sure Sora only has two, his and Ven's. Remember, different forms of a Keyblade /= different Keyblades. I'm pretty sure Mickey's Star Seeker is not the same as Sora's Star Seeker. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 23:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Sidebar: there is supposed to be a Reaction Command during the final battle where Xemnas knock's Sora's Keyblade away and Riku throws it back. Has anyone seen it, and does he still hold WttD while he does so? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 23:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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| :::What I was trying to say is, if the Destiny's Embrace is no longer considered "one of Riku's active Keyblades", then what is the limit on him just manifesting the Keyblade over and over and handing "it" to a Keyblade wielder? Is the Destiny's Embrace "Riku's second Keyblade", or is it simply a form of "Riku's only Keyblade"? Further question -- if it is limited by "possessed Keyblades", but you can manifest another if you give one of the Keyblades away, then why can't Roxas manifest a second Keyblade when Riku takes his? ....basically, is Synch Blade the special ability to have multiple Keyblades or have multiple Keyblades manifested, or is a very banal ability to just take two Keyblades and put them both in your hands? Would we be saying that, because Master Xehanort only has one heart, he would not have been able to actually ''hold'' any of those Keyblades? And what is Final Form doing?
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| ::<s>I suppose we can claim that Roxas, Sora, Riku, and Aqua decided to "temporarily give away their extra Keyblade", and aren't technically "wielding" multiple Keyblades. But given Final Form, I don't see how Xehanort's Blade Storm can be anything but an epic-level Synch Blade.</s>
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| ::Nevermind any of this. Nomura is saying that Sora has two Keyblades because he found two of them. Synch Blade itself is, as the ability description implies, ''not'' a dual-wielding ability...what it does is let you manifest the ''ability'' of multiple Keyblades. Presumably, for Aqua, Riku, and Xehanort, the other Keyblades are nothing more than metal swords. The article should probably be completely rewritten.
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| :::Also, I have not.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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| Riku '''Never''' uses the synch blade ability he just gives Kairi a modified version of Destiny's Embrace because he was in "Ansem Form" therefore he didn't have a keyblade.--[[User:SquallLeonheart332000|SquallLeonheart332000]] 22:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
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| ::It doesn't matter how many Keyblades he has. Synch Blade lets you channel the ability of multiple Keyblades, which there is no indication Riku does. Hell, we can't say ''anyone'' uses it unless we actually get to check their active ability lists while it is being used.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
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| So, end story, we can agree that saying Riku uses Synch Blade is at best speculation and at worst blatantly false, right? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 04:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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| :Yes, remove it. He has two Keyblades, but does not use Synch Blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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| ==Nomura's Interview==
| | CLUE: Aqua left own Keyblade and Armor with the then Terra-Xehanort and currently own her dead Master's Keyblade with currently no chance to grab it back ever since. [[User:Smackdown599|Smackdown599]] 11:36, 27 June 2011 (EDT) |
| I've been going through KHInsider's translations for KHII, and I wanted to ask if [https://www.khinsider.com/news/Famitsu-2006-Nomura-Interview-2569 this is the interview that needs to be sourced in the article, citing Nomura that it's theoretically possible for Sora to use Sync Blade outside of his Drive Forms]. That piece of information was added long ago and no source was provided, so I'm just asking to make sure. I'm pretty certain it is, since Nomura said the only reason he included duel-wielding as a form-changing system in-game since having Sora duel-wielding all the time would be "boring".--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
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| :It doesn't actually confirm anything, though. He says people wanted to dual-wield, but that it isn't fun to dual-wield the entire time, so he used it for Drive Forms. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:53, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
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| ::This is the only interview I found that remotely relates to the info on the article. I tried finding the alleged interview on other sites, but all results point to what's said in the BBS Ultimania that Sora inherited duel-wielding after reabsorbing Roxas. I initially thought the "it is theoretically possible for Sora to use Synch Blade naturally, without going into a Drive Form" sentence was just a logical conclusion made the user who added that part in, but the hidden text on the page said it was taken from an interview on KHII. Of course, I don't dispute claim, as Nomura already explained the reason behind Sora's duel-wielding in the Ultimania, but the KHII interview doesn't seem to exist anywhere. :(--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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