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Don't we already have [[Shadow Form]]?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:52, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Don't we already have [[Shadow Form]]?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:52, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


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Sora's Heartless appear as a main atoginast the source of Bug BLock and he's a boss in coded. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Sora's Heartless appear as a main atoginast the source of Bug BLock and he's a boss in coded. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Okay, let me put it this way. If the boss of coded is in fact Sora's own Heartless, then the pages ''will'' be merged, and [[Game:Sora's Heartless]] probably will too.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, let me put it this way. If the boss of coded is in fact Sora's own Heartless, then the pages ''will'' be merged, and [[Sora's Heartless (Boss)]] probably will too.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


Instead of Shadow Form maybe Sora's Heartless is a playable Character like Sora, Riku, and etc. He can be first played in the first game. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 20:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Instead of Shadow Form maybe Sora's Heartless is a playable Character like Sora, Riku, and etc. He can be first played in the first game. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 20:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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Yes, it has been changed, and it should stay that way. Anything with circular definitions for opening sentences needs to be changed. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 00:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it has been changed, and it should stay that way. Anything with circular definitions for opening sentences needs to be changed. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 00:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
I believe that Sora is still a Heartless somewhat even now. Also, he wasn't a "pseudo-Heartless," he was just humanoid like Xehanort's.--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.218.11|24.34.218.11]] 19:41, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


== Character and Form ==
== Character and Form ==
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:Xehanort has completely lost his heart to the darkness, you know that. Come on, admit it. Sora was almost lost. Had he been totally lost, then you could make the same distinction for Xemnas and company. But you know Sora wasn't lost to the darkness. So stop beating round the bush. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 05:59, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Xehanort has completely lost his heart to the darkness, you know that. Come on, admit it. Sora was almost lost. Had he been totally lost, then you could make the same distinction for Xemnas and company. But you know Sora wasn't lost to the darkness. So stop beating round the bush. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 05:59, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


Cococrash brought this up on my talkpage as well. I agree it is a form.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 06:29, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
Cococrash brought this up on my talkpage as well. I agree it is a form.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 06:29, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Form only, but not minor character. Like Kryten said, it's a branch of Sora. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 06:37, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Form only, but not minor character. Like Kryten said, it's a branch of Sora. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 06:37, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


So, this disussion it over?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
So, this disussion it over?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


I'm gonna touch on this subject again, this time I'm talking to Cococrash. Judging by your comments on both here and BebopKate's talkpages you obviously didn't understand my previous comment about words. Attempting to belittle others and such will get you nowhere, it will later result in a warning for mis-wiki conduct. Be nice, okay?
I'm gonna touch on this subject again, this time I'm talking to Cococrash. Judging by your comments on both here and BebopKate's talkpages you obviously didn't understand my previous comment about words. Attempting to belittle others and such will get you nowhere, it will later result in a warning for mis-wiki conduct. Be nice, okay?
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{{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}}
{{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}}
{{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}}


AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.)
AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.)


Statement 1- Sora released his heart, and was transformed into a heartless. At this point, Roxas and Namine are created. Sora is reduced to the form of a shadow heartless due to a lack of darkness, and begins to lose his conciousness to darkness.
Statement 1- Sora released his heart, and was transformed into a heartless. At this point, Roxas and Namine are created. Sora is reduced to the form of a shadow heartless due to a lack of darkness, and begins to lose his conciousness to darkness.


Statement 2- Kairi restores Sora to his human form. He does not rejoin with Roxas, and thus should be considered as a full blooded heartless. He remains this way until the end of the seven days in Twilight Town, and thus can be considered to be a heartless for the duration of Chain of Memories and 358/2 days.
Statement 2- Kairi restores Sora to his human form. He does not rejoin with Roxas, and thus should be considered as a full blooded heartless. He remains this way until the end of the seven days in Twilight Town, and thus can be considered to be a heartless for the duration of Chain of Memories and 358/2 days.
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Note- (since I'm not sure as of yet how relevant this is) Vanitas, an entity of raw negative emotions, darkness personified, and an aspect of Ventus (whose heart Sora holds) has the appearance of Sora, albiet with gold eyes (the same shade of those whose hearts are tainted by darkness) and black hair (the colour black is associated with darkness.)
Note- (since I'm not sure as of yet how relevant this is) Vanitas, an entity of raw negative emotions, darkness personified, and an aspect of Ventus (whose heart Sora holds) has the appearance of Sora, albiet with gold eyes (the same shade of those whose hearts are tainted by darkness) and black hair (the colour black is associated with darkness.)
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From this, we can determine that Sora (who never went by anything other than his name) is a heartless, or at the very least, the dominant personality. Other entities that share the collective identity of "Sora" are Roxas, his nobody, and Sora's Heartless, his personality as it would be if it were consumed by darkness.


It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
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:Having said thus, Sora's Heartless should be left as it is. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:42, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


Exactly. But for everyone who argues, just consider this: What about reading an article about Multiple Personality syndrome, and applying it to Sora's situation (taking magic into account.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
From this, we can determine that Sora (who never went by anything other than his name) is a heartless, or at the very least, the dominant personality. Other entities that share the collective identity of "Sora" are Roxas, his nobody, and Sora's Heartless, his personality as it would be if it were consumed by darkness.
 
:The whole thing that blew it all out of proportion was the fact that there are pages for Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas. And all of them are treated as separate characters. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:57, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
I won't press thing about whether Sora's Heartless as is a character or a form. I still think he's a character. But the part about Sora being a Heartless throughout KHI to KHII doesn't make sense. I mean he regained his body by having Kairi's light. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhAr5AVZ8g in 1:55 Aqua give some of her light inside Kairi. Maybe that light restored Sora to have a body in KHI to KHII. I think that make sense but the creator didn't even comment about it. So maybe we should wait for the BBS Ultima maybe it will explain things. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
:True, we should wait for BBS' Ultimania. But wait ; I thought it should've been out a month after BBS' release ? o.O {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
@cococrash- the thing about personalities is that they can be either or. that's why I consider Sora's heartless to be a personality. Sora isn't any less Sora, he just has alternate personalities, alternate personas, of a sort. Roxas is an aspect of Sora, but he's his own character. Smae of Xion, and Sora's Heartless. thogh, to be fair, I consider Sora's heartless to have appeared only in Coded. No matter what, Sora became a heartless, and ceased to be one when Roxas merged with him. I personally just call that Sora is the dominant persona, and he became a heartless. But that's my belief. I see things as clear cut, but other people don't see those. They see other stuff that I don't. So, To each his/her own. I will not argue. I just try to provide facts, and let people do with them as they will.
 
(I'm not trying to rant here, sorry if it comes off that way.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 03:33, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
== The Heartless and the Keyblade ==
 
As a point of interest, Sora is thus far the only character to officially wield the keyblade as a heartless. This makes him unique as the heartless are supposed to fear the keyblade, which Sora clearly does not. Sora is also the only Heartless to fight for the side of light, and seems clueless about the fact that he remained a heartless until his reunion with Roxas. (That is, he was a heartless until he reunited, not he was clueless until he reunited.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 15:39, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
Sora only stay as a heartless until Kairi hug him cuz her light made the body made of darkness of the shadow form become a body made of light and his heart give the shape of his old body so he never wield the Keyblade as a heartless--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 19:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
:He's a "unique Heartless", like Xehanort. He regained his form using Kairi's heart, but he didn't take her body, and didn't regain his body from Roxas. It's sort of like how Roxas technically has a heart, so he isn't a normal Nobody, but it isn't ''Sora's'' heart, so he is still a Nobody.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
== A video I put on ==
 
Can I put this video on the page?
[[Video: Sora turns into a heartless |thumb|300px|left|A video about Sora becoming a heartless]]
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==Huh ?==
{{TNE|time=02:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)|shocktext=Sora remains a pseudo-Heartless ? Huh ? Wha ?}}
:He doesn't have his body and soul back yet. Kairi gave him some sort of substitute, but it's not his, so he's kind of like Ansem SoD inside Riku.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:58, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Roxas. Now I remember. Thanks ! ^_^ {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 05:17, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Sora-Heartless is NOT the Shadow Form ==
 
{{EO|time=01:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=This article was once called "Shadow Form", referencing to the thing from KH1. But it was changed thanks to some ordeal about ''Kingdom Hearts coded'' with Cococrash11 to "Sora's Heartless" and now to "Sora-Heartless." This article should be reverted to Shadow Form, as the final boss from ''coded'' turns out to be some twisted Darkside thing as seen [http://www.youtube.com/user/dchiuch?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/7/8xT1b9ISmTw here]. Thus, a separate article should be created and this one reverted back to what it originally was.}}
{{KrytenKoro|According to coded, that Darkside thing IS the Shadow Form, just massively grown due to what it's been doing to the Journal. As I understand, that's why it reverts back to a Shadow as you continue to damage it.}}
{{TNE|time=01:54, June 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=If I remember correctly, there was a whole dispute between the form and the character. But because both of them are ultimately the Shadow Heartless (one only changes form just for the sake of challenge :P), I called for both of them to be fused under Sora's Heartless. There were some who didn't support the move, but I didn't see the point of KH and ''coded'' info being separated.}}
 
== Trivia ==
Should a possible parallel between Sora's Heartless creating the Bug Blocks and Vanitas creating the Unversed be mentioned?--[[User:XYZach|ΧƳƵach.]] 19:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
== I'm Just Confused...This is Clarification ==
 
Ok, just to set this straight for me...Sora (for most of the end of Kingdom Hearts) was a Heartless? [[KyrianXVII]] 15:14, August 14, 2010 (UTC)[[Special:Contributions/68.61.64.200|68.61.64.200]]
 
{{LCCH|text=Wrong. *SPOILER ALERT* After Sora freed his own heart, he became a Heartless. It wasn't for most of the end, just for a short period of time.}}
{{KrytenKoro|He was a ''normal'' Heartless for that time. After Kairi restored him, he was still some sort of Heartless-like thing, but he had a (not ''his'') mind and body because of Kairi's light.}}
{{Xabryn|text=Actually I think that he kept his mind Because <spoiler> His body stayed with Roxas's heart and mind </spoiler> that's why he could control himself as a heartless}}
==video==
we all should have a video for the boss sora-heartless[[Special:Contributions/65.32.75.73|65.32.75.73]] 16:42, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|nathan=Then by all means, do so.}}


The original coded version or the Re:coded version?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 14:31, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities.

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