Editing Talk:Sleeping Worlds

You guys know that the official translation is "[https://www.facebook.com/KingdomHearts?sk=info Sleeping Worlds]", right? [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87|24.211.29.87]] 07:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
:Are you sure that that's derived from the same Japanese term (can you provide it)? Wouldn't there be a realm and then worlds within that realm, as we had in the past?
:I might be wrong, I mean. But I'd like confirmation that "Sleeping Worlds" is a direct translation of ''Yumimeru Sekai''.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

==Confusion==
Alrite, I have actually never played a ''Kingdom Hearts'' game, but I saw "an average" number of different videos regarding the series so please excuse me some silly misinterpretations. Up to to the point then: I watched the walkthrough for ''Kingdom Hearts 3D'' and Yen Sid was talking about seven sleeping worlds; yeah: Sora and Riku close/open seven locks, but in six worlds: twice in Traverse Town. And my question is: what is the seventh Sleeping World as the World that Never Was is noted by both characters to be real and not a dream. Or the seventh world is Sora's dream? Riku does open/close a lock there, although I'm not entirely sure.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] ([[User talk:Kaimi|talk]]) 21:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:TWTNW is both a Sleeping World and a World in the Realm Between, like Traverse Town. During the course of their visit, they cross to the Realm Between version.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Umm...What is a "Realm Between"? Something like a passageway between real world and the Sleeping World?—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] ([[User talk:Kaimi|talk]]) 22:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:Not necessarily (it seems to be the case for the World That Never Was though), the transition from the Realm of Light to the Realm of Darkness is fluent, Nomura describes it as "stairways" between the two planes. These stairways are basically the Realm Between, where some worlds can be situated in and apparently are all special in different ways. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 00:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
::I thought the seventh world was Destiny Island since they do open a Keyhole there after the battle against Ursula--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] ([[User talk:Xabryn|talk]]) 01:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
:::That's not really sure because KH3D did almost no explaining. According to the game the Destiny Islands of KH3D is actually set in the past, shortly before it falls into darkness and "starts dreaming". I'm not really sure how this works but Destiny Islands is not a world from the Realm Between and was "resurrected" at the end of KH, there is practically no chance it's part of the Sleeping Worlds. The portal to the Sleeping Worlds (and Sora's dreams of the Sleeping Worlds) is openend like Sora does it at the end of KH3D to visit the Dream Eaters. If DI really was a Sleeping World it would appear on the "world map" of KH3D. Maybe it's because Sleep <> Dream, meaning that a world can dream even if it's not a Sleeping World. Ansem SoD says "Dreams hold our memories. Sleep holds our dreams. And Darkness - it holds our sleep." --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 01:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Because Sora and Riku are both wondering why there are in TWTNW AFTER they opened seven keyholes, destiny islands has to be one of the sleeping worlds. That would be an explenation for sora and riku, why they are shorter than in KHII (if you press Y in the reports of them, you can see the difference). but yeah, it sucks for net really explaining it which is the seventh world for sure. [[User:Sum2k3|Sum2k3]] ([[User talk:Sum2k3|talk]]) 04:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
:I thought the explanation for Sora and Riki being young again was because of Yen Sids magic removing their abilities so they can learn the true way of the keyblade (or something like that). If I remember correctly this Destiny Islands time travel theory is sourced by some comments Xigbar makes during the TWTNW scenes of Sora. Also if the first Keyhole of Sleep is on DI, than there is one at Mysterious Tower too, because the animation is axactly the same. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 05:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
::About they being young again idk though I do remember reading an interview saying that the reason they're young is due to Yen Sid's magic and they can't return to their older form until they return to Mysterious Tower, as for the same animation doesn't every Keyhole in KH3D have that animation?--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] ([[User talk:Xabryn|talk]]) 00:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Look, they opened seven Keyholes before reaching The World That Never Was and afrer Destiny Islands. You count the second one in traverse town as well. Seven sleeping worlds; the world map shows you whihc worlds are sleeping. so that's that. ([[Special:Contributions/98.213.22.67|98.213.22.67]] 16:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC))
:::That they traveled into the past is referenced numerous times in the story. Xigbar says it, also Yen Sid when explaining how they will need to get to the Sleeping Worlds, & again when he dismisses the possibility that Xehanort is in the Sleeping Worlds--as he would have to have a version of himself at Destiny Islands when it was being consumed to send himself back to. It seems to me to be likely that Destiny Islands are a sleeping world. The raft thing is referenced as a dream & possibly part of the Mark of Mastery test, & (unless the Japanese has something different) the story section for Traverse Town says that the Keyhole they unlock there is the first Keyhole of Sleep. Besides, it only makes sense to get to the Sleeping Worlds by hitching a ride on a world that's about to go to sleep. The statement that it should be on the world map makes no sense to me. It's not on the world map simply because it is not used for gameplay. Destiny Islands also does not appear in KH2's or BBS's maps & Land of Departure eventually disappears from the map in BBS. Additionally, neither does Sora's Heart, though Riku is referenced (again, unless the translation in this game was bad) as having returned to the Realm of Sleep to rescue him. The Sleeping Keyhole animation also seems to be used for re-entering the Realm of Sleep, possibly because they didn't feel like making a 2nd animation for 2 scenes.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] ([[User talk:Neo Bahamut|talk]]) 08:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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 ::About they being young again idk though I do remember reading an interview saying that the reason they're young is due to Yen Sid's magic and they can't return to their older form until they return to Mysterious Tower, as for the same animation doesn't every Keyhole in KH3D have that animation?--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] ([[User talk:Xabryn|talk]]) 00:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 Look, they opened seven Keyholes before reaching The World That Never Was and afrer Destiny Islands. You count the second one in traverse town as well. Seven sleeping worlds; the world map shows you whihc worlds are sleeping. so that's that. ([[Special:Contributions/98.213.22.67|98.213.22.67]] 16:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC))
-:::That they traveled into the past is referenced numerous times in the story. Xigbar says it, also Yen Sid when explaining how they will need to get to the Sleeping Worlds, & again when he dismisses the possibility that Xehanort is in the Sleeping Worlds--as he would have to have a version of himself at Destiny Islands when it was being consumed to send himself back to. It seems to me to be likely that Destiny Islands are a sleeping world. The raft thing is referenced as a dream & possibly part of the Mark of Mastery test, & (unless the Japanese has something different) the story section for Traverse Town says that the Keyhole they unlock there is the first Keyhole of Sleep. Besides, it only makes sense to get to the Sleeping Worlds by hitching a ride on a world that's about to go to sleep. The statement that it should be on the world map makes no sense to me. It's not on the world map simply because it is not used for gameplay. Destiny Islands also does not appear in KH2's or BBS's maps & Land of Departure eventually disappears from the map in BBS. Additionally, neither does Sora's Heart, though Riku is referenced (again, unless the translation in this game was bad) as having returned to the Realm of Sleep to rescue him. The Sleeping Keyhole animation also seems to be used for re-entering the Realm of Sleep, possibly because they didn't feel like making a 2nd animation for 2 scenes. Of course, if this is all true, this means that they actually opened EIGHT Keyholes, which is definitely confusing.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] ([[User talk:Neo Bahamut|talk]]) 08:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
+:::That they traveled into the past is referenced numerous times in the story. Xigbar says it, also Yen Sid when explaining how they will need to get to the Sleeping Worlds, & again when he dismisses the possibility that Xehanort is in the Sleeping Worlds--as he would have to have a version of himself at Destiny Islands when it was being consumed to send himself back to. It seems to me to be likely that Destiny Islands are a sleeping world. The raft thing is referenced as a dream & possibly part of the Mark of Mastery test, & (unless the Japanese has something different) the story section for Traverse Town says that the Keyhole they unlock there is the first Keyhole of Sleep. Besides, it only makes sense to get to the Sleeping Worlds by hitching a ride on a world that's about to go to sleep. The statement that it should be on the world map makes no sense to me. It's not on the world map simply because it is not used for gameplay. Destiny Islands also does not appear in KH2's or BBS's maps & Land of Departure eventually disappears from the map in BBS. Additionally, neither does Sora's Heart, though Riku is referenced (again, unless the translation in this game was bad) as having returned to the Realm of Sleep to rescue him. The Sleeping Keyhole animation also seems to be used for re-entering the Realm of Sleep, possibly because they didn't feel like making a 2nd animation for 2 scenes.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] ([[User talk:Neo Bahamut|talk]]) 08:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-It's also a question of when a world is one of the sleeping worlds. Of course Destiny Island becomes one in KH and is returned to the Realm of Light at the end of the game, but we never explore this (sleeping) world in KH3D, we only see how it falls into darkness. At the time of KH3D it's simply no sleeping world anymore which is just another thing that is confusing about the time travel. Sora and Riku start their journey in the past but appear in TWTNW at the present time. I think Yen Sid's idea of unlocking seven keyholes of sleep to acquire a new power is totally random and not supported by anything actually seen in the game. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 17:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-== Heartless ==
-{{Braviaggron|time=18:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)|text=In theory, Ansem was the only Heartless who could access to the Sleeping Worlds, right ?}}
-{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)|text=Yes and no. While he is the only darkness that appears in the worlds Sora and Riku visit in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance'', what's debatable is whether the worlds they visit truly are Sleeping Worlds. I've made the argument that they're not. So it really depends on whether you believe the worlds they visit are Sleeping Worlds, or they're just worlds that the Organization takes them to.}}
-== Infobox ==
-{{TheSilentHero|time=17:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)|text=Is the infobox really necessary? It only contains the Japanese name for "Sleeping Worlds" and adds the category Sleeping Worlds, which is useless, since the Sleeping Worlds are already listed on this page.}}
-I would say no. The only reason we did it for the Realm of Darkness is because it's treated as a "world" (and it's not separated into worlds like the Realm of Light).  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
-== Name? ==
-Why isn't the name of this page "Realm of Sleep"? Isn't that what it's called? Or was it never officially called that? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 03:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
-:The answer is on the top of this page;-) The official NA translation was always "Sleeping Worlds". --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
-oh okay thanks --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
-==Destiny Islands==
-When was Destiny Islands in the Realm of Sleep? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 05:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
-:Beginning of KH3D. Sora and Riku fight Ursula there. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 05:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
-Didn't Yen Sid just use magic to send them back in time or something? The Sleeping Worlds are worlds that didn't fully return to their respective realms after falling into the Realm of Darkness. Destiny Islands most definitely did return to the Realm of Light. Kairi went back there at the end of KH1 and Sora and Riku went back there at the end of KH2. It definitely returned back to the Realm of Light I'm pretty sure. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 05:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
-:No, the DI were still partially in the Realm of Sleep. Unlike the Realm of Darkness, worlds can be partially in the Realm of Light, and partially in the Realm of Sleep, so long as not every part of their essence (timeline, population, locations, we're not certain) has been restored. That's why we meet dream versions of Mickey and Jiminy, because their worlds haven't been ''fully'' restored, only partially. Yen Sid basically snuck them into the Realm of Sleep by bringing them to something their chain of memories was linked to, the island, which was linked to the dreaming portion of the island, which was linked to the rest of the realm of sleep. Meanwhile, Xehanort shunted them into his fate spiral because he was at the island on that day as brown cloak man, so he was able to divert them into a series of fixed events (a la Doctor Who, and starting in earnest at Traverse Town, where he was confident the two would go due to the nature of the town as a reality sinkhole) using his time traveling Young Xehanort, eventually leading them to TWTNW, where he believed Sora would be forced to become a vessel. However, that's as far as the fate spiral locked events in, so the team was able to rescue Sora at the very last second, when destiny was unlocked again.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
-Okay. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 20:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)