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| This isn't speculative, it's just how it is. Simple and Clean is the theme song of ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix'' | | This isn't speculative, it's just how it is. Simple and Clean is the theme song of ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix'' |
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| Okay not to be rude but this just has to be said. Anyone who thinks that Simple and Clean not being the theme song of the game despite the mountain of evidence and past experiences with Final Mix releases fails every piece of logical thinking known to mankind. | | Okay not to be rude but this just has to be said. Anyone who thinks that Simple and Clean not being the theme song of them game despite the mountain of evidence and past experiences with Final Mix releases fails every piece of logical thinking known to mankind. |
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| {{Chitalian8|time=01:48, January 1, 2011 (UTC)|squall=What mountain of evidence? All we have are past experiences. How do we know that Nomura won't throw a curveball at us and use I Want it That Way, by the Backstreet Boys, as the main theme music? We don't have actual, written proof of the theme song of the game. Also, we usually don't consider trailers as hard evidence.}}
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| The English voice track. (they wouldn't put the Japanese theme song in an English speaking Kingdom Hearts game)
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| The trailer (btw, Square Enix wouldn't put the song in the trailer if it was not going to be used as the theme song, they don't work that way)
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| Past Final Mix games (all use the English Theme Song)
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| I mean come on. This is a no-brainer.
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| None of that is ''written proof''. We knew a lot of things before games came out. We knew Jesse McCartney was going to be Ventus, but we didn't write it in the articles until the game came out, since there was no ''written proof''. We know it's obvious, but there is no written proof. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 01:56, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| It's different with that. Voice actors are different, they are subject to being replaced and we did have written proof that Jesse McCartney was going to voice Ventus, but nobody considered because Roxas appeared in the game as well. We don't need written proof for a song because they've done it before and they will continue doing so until they end of the series. We have the name of the song, we have the fact that it was used in the previous version of ''Birth by Sleep'' and we know for a fact that Nomura will never change the theme song. That is written down proof. And by the way, the Japanese aren't like American when it comes to trailers. Any song that is used in Japanese made trailers will appear in the game or movie or anime.
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| :No, anything in a trailer is never 100% true, look at [[Deleted content in the Kingdom Hearts series]], even if it a song, voice actor, or scene, not untill its out or there a source, its spec. [[User:UnknownChaser|UnknownChaser]] 02:10, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| :: They are never going to change the theme song. That's why we can say without a doubt that Simple and Clean is the theme song of the game. And if that is true about trailers, then obviously Hikari wasn't the theme song of the Japanese version of Kingdom Hearts since it appeared in the trailer.
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| :::EDIT CONFLICT:Also, VA's are no different than anything else. Also, "we don't need written proof" is a taboo phrase on the wiki. There always needs to be proof. And something that Nomura has done for so long, using the original theme songs for the Final Mixes, is not written proof, it's just something that he does. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 02:14, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::: Let me ask you this then. If Simple and Clean is not the theme song, then will they make an entirely new opening for a new song?
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| :::::We all know that it will probably be the same opening, but '''there's. No. Proof.''' Again, who's to say the opening won't be different? {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 02:23, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::::: And who is to say it will? But we both know that they won't so why are we arguing about it? Sometimes you don't need proof in order to know that something is going to happen and we both know that Simple and Clean will in fact be the theme song. Written proof is definitely better than little proof, but sometimes it's just a given fact that some things will remain the same.
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| :I agree with the anon. Even though we have a strict policy of not adding info without citations, and even though there is absolutely no solid evidence that "Simple and Clean" will be the theme song, and even though we have rock solid proof that trailers are unreliable as to the finished product, we should totally post that Simple and Clean is the theme song for BBSFM, and also that it cures cancer.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:03, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Please tell me that was sarcasm. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 03:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::: I am pretty certain it is.
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| ::::Definitely sarcasm. A good example for "trailer music" is KHI's trailer. In the final release, was Destati the music used as the theme? no. And besides the first BBSFM trailer uses "Enter the Darkness" as it's music, how do we know that it won't BE the theme for the game? {{User:17master/Sign}} 03:28, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::::.................you're joking right? Because it's a very bad joke if you are.
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| What you are all missing and I should have said this to start with, is that Final Mix, any Final Mix, isn't about just bringing the English voices to the Japanese. The purpose is to give Japanese audiences the full North American and European version of Kingdom Hearts. And that includes the voices overs, the English version of the theme song, bosses that the NA and PAL versions of the game had but Japan didn't with several exclusive features as well. If English voice acting is a given then the English theme song is also a given because that's part of the product that Square Enix is trying to give to the Japanese audiences.
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| :The English voice acting isn't a given - it was explicitly stated by Nomura in the most recent interview.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:13, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::: That's what I meant by a given, you idiot. What are you so lawful stupid that you can't even tell the difference? Oh yeah, you are an idiot and I don't mind saying so. You're all a bunch of morons if you need written proof for a theme song that was in all freaking versions of the stupid game. But of course you are not going to take that into consideration because it's your way and no one else's can matter can it? So fuck you.
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| ::::Wait, you're saying that "given" = "explicitly stated by the producer in a widely available interview"? But somehow that applies to your guess that Simple and Clean will be the theme song for BBSFM as well. Huh.
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| ::::Also, we use a lot of people's ways, but it's explicitly stated in our charter that we can never use your ways ("We will use every person's way, unless their username is OmegaWeapon13. Then we shall never use their way, for it is an abomination"). Tough luck for you, I guess.
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| ::::As for the second - no thanks, you sound like you'd be a bad [[wikipedia:lei (Hawaii)|lei]].{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| Ah, I remember you, didn't you do this same thing with the "Jesse McCartney is Ventus" fiasco? You know, what with the zero solid evidence and your argument eventually devolving into simple tossing of insults at everyone who doesn't agree with you? Good times. Anyway, the trailer is never solid proof, as has been explained several times. Your argument about that, in particular, doesn't make any sense; if a song appears in a trailer, that means the song will be the theme of the game? Like how Terra's theme and Fate of the Unknown played during the trailers for the original BBS, those were ''totally'' the theme to the game's opening! ...Wait...{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:44, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Colors ==
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| By the way, the English versions of Simple and Clean are featured in Utada Hikaru's CD single 'Colors'. It should probably get listed with the other albums. [[Special:Contributions/24.4.217.89|24.4.217.89]] 02:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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