Editing Talk:Sephiroth

{{Zolo6|text=Do we have enemy pages on this guy?}}

There is the [[Platinum Match]] page...[[Special:Contributions/75.9.54.124|75.9.54.124]] 01:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== birth by sleep ==

I don't consider fenrir representative of sephiroth i won't consider it unless the one winged angel keyblade is there

''Excusez-moi,'', could you please sign off after editing ?
And by the way, methinks Fenrir is more representative of Cloud or Tifa rather than Sephiroth. [[User:Troisnyxetienne|Troisnyxetienne]] 15:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Xienzo|time=23:09, December 12, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well, you do get Fenrir by beating him... It looks like Cloud's sword, only not as sharp. Is he even PLANNED to appear in Birth by Sleep?}}

==Heartless Angel==
This move's name is only ''Heartless Angel'' not ''Descend Heartless Angel''; anyone who has played FFVII could confirm this. [[Special:Contributions/24.139.220.48|24.139.220.48]] 21:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I know, but thats what he says in Kingdom Hearts. --Zack fair 007 22:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I have confirmed that the name is in fact only ''Heartless Angel''. -[[User:OrangeGel]]
ITS NOT TRUE.--Zack fair 007 22:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but it is. Please fix it now, I don't wish to spam Recent Changes. -[[User:OrangeGel]]

Calm down, Zack, he says that in Kingdom Hearts but that doesn't mean that its the name or we'd have Leon's Blasting Zone labeled "ITS OVER!". Its not confirmed in any way and its entirely possible that its called Heartless Angel and the "Descend" part is just Sephiroth casting it or something. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 01:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It's Heartless Angel because that's what it's always been and if Sora says "heal" everytime he uses cure then wouldn't it be called heal? [[User:Vatek]]

:I'm pretty sure the "Descend" part is just dialougue, the FF Wikia also names it just "Heartless Angel" as does FFVII. [[Special:Contributions/24.138.198.123|24.138.198.123]] 03:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It is Heartless Angel. D: Sephiroth never had any other attack that produced the same effect in Final Fantasy VII. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 06:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL sorry guys my bad...lets change it --Zack fair 007 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

What happened to it being called Sin Harvest? Was it EVER called Sin Harvest? I coulda sworn it was...

Every time someone says "isn't it called Sin Harvest", a puppy has an heart attack. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

ITS not sin harvest. Listen to this. the actor just put emphasis so it would sound like that.

desCEND HEARTLESS angel..

SIN HARVEST....

see? i thought so too...when i was 9. And stupid. --Zack fair 007 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, now you've grown older... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

WOw u are so mean --Zack fair 007 02:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

HaHaHa...irony...So anyway Its deff. Heartless Angel? Thats what I always thought. [[User:Dr.Kermit|<span style="color: #00C;">'''Dr.Kermit'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dr.Kermit|<span style="color: #93C;">'''The Doctor is in'''</span>]])</sup> 03:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

{{troisnyxetienne|text=I used to think it was Sin Harvest, but '''yes''', it '''is''' Heartless Angel.}}

In Final FAntasie he says heartless angel. in kingdom hearts he says sin harvest angel. beacause the voiceover guy sucks!

{{troisnyxetienne|text=No, he says '''Descend''' Heartless Angel. I know the '''Descend''' sounds like '''Sin''' and the '''Heartless''' sounds like '''Harvest'''. Hence the anomaly.}}

== Nobody ==

Partly joking here, but really - is Sephiroth a Nobody? The Final Fantasy VII novella "Case of the Lifestream", a few excerpts.

:''"The man knew that if one could hold onto some core of their spirit, then one could remain a separate entity, independent from the planet’s system. Cloud. The man decided to make Cloud that core"''

:''"As long as Cloud remembers me, I can continue to exist. Within the Lifestream, and on the surface. Even if my spirit disseminates, even if just one fragment of a memory courses around the planet, in the end I can count on Cloud’s consciousness to bring me back"''

And he later manifests his three remnants/avatars into being using the memories of others combined his own fragmented memories of himself. So really....does any of this strike anyone as somewhat familiar? Sephiroth sustaining himself on memories? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 17:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

::No. That has to do with the FFVII plot. The KH plot and FF plot doesn't intertwine their "Gaia" theories. --Zack fair 007 04:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm joking you fool, I know that. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 05:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::"I'm partly joking here" '''partly, motherfucker. partly.'''

{{TNE|blahtext=If I ever have to mention about the no-profanity rule, ever again, I think I'd better start slapping on red broken crowns to people who violate that rule.

And as Zack Fair said, shouldn't the FF and KH plots stay separate ?}}

{{zackfair007|text= My bad. It's just what drake is for being a hypocrite.}}

{{TNE|text=Oh well, guess we won't be having this Nobody talk about Sephy for a long, long time... ^_^}}

{{zackfair007|text=yeah ROFL}}

{{Flashpenny | He's not a Nobody. If he's Cloud's Nobody than where's Cloud's Heartless? I'd probably say that at some undetermined time Cloud's body split into a light and darkness part and they embodied that although that's purely fanfic. An alternative is that he's still playing mind games with Cloud following Advent Children.}}
{{Firaga44|text=besides i thought in the game sephiroth said that he was the darkness within cloud's heart}}

== Lance Bass ==

They didn't replace him because of negative reactions. They replaced him because of the portrayal in Advent Children. The same reason they replaced Mandy Moore and Christy Carlson Romano as Yuffie and Aerith. :/

So, fix it.

== lance bass ==

Many of the ff characters were downgraded eg. david boreanaz as leon or mandy moore as aerith, (both of whom got worse va's for KH2 arguably like sephiroth). Disney were the only reason they were ale to get those high quality va's in the first game. Its much more likely square wanted someone they, themselves could afford for sephiroths appearances in the compilation of ffvii games and for there other ff characters when theyd appear in games disney weren't involved in because square want they're characters voices to be as consistent as possible. Its not because it isn't cool to have sephiroth voiced by the gay one from nsync.

== How Long Is Seporoth's blade ==

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Even though this really doesn't have anything to do anything in general, his Masamune is 100 feet long. I think that's correct, but I could be wrong, of course. [[User:JudgmentDay95]]

100 feet?!you must be joking sephiroth must be pretty strong if he can carry a sword that long. Firaga44 23:52, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well, duh. Of course Sephiroth is strong. Don't forget that he is Shinra's ultimate SOLDIER, so it makes sense that he could carry a 100-foot sword. [[User:JudgmentDay95]]

{{Maggosh|text=Do you realize how long 100 feet is?}}

I think he ment inches. Anyways, I've seen replica blades as long as 102 inches long... but we can make a guess. Cloud's Buster Sword is about 7 feet long, handle to tip I think. During the scene where Cloud and Spehi confront eachother during the Battle of 1000 Heartless, Shepiroth's blade looks to be about twice as long, or so. So it seems around 168 inches, but that's a rough guess... Unless the Final Fantasy wiki get's a update, I doubt we'll ever have an offical length [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 11:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox pic ==

{{NitrousX|xmastext=Umm... why is there an artwork image in his infobox, when their's a perfectly good 3-dimensional render of him?}}
{{Maggosh|text=I'll get on fixing that.}}
{{NitrousX|xmastext=Woohoo! Thanks Maggosh!}}
{{Lvl5|text=i think his blade is about,say 12 meters (about 35-40 feet)}}

==Troubling Question==

{{Cecil|text=This has nothing to do with Sephiroth, but while reading the Heartless Angel thing in the Trivia section, where it says that Kefka used it first, I remembered a question that has been bothering me for sometime now, and here it is:  Why is it that none of the characters from Final Fantasies I through VI (except from Setzer who was changed a ''lot'') and IX (other than Vivi, who has also changed a great deal from his original appearance) appear on ''any'' Kingdom Hearts game?  I've only known of the Dissidia versions of Warrior of Light, Garland and Firion appearing as mere avatars on Kingdom Hearts Mobile and that can be explained by the fact that Nomura redrew the characters for Dissidia, while using a ''very'' similar art style from that of the Kingdom Hearts series I might add.  I'm not saying all of them, but it would be cool to see Cecil and Golbez in at least one of the games (their concept of Light and Darkness fits in very well with the series mythos) or Terra and Locke and/or Kefka, or Kuja.  I'm also sorry for posting this here, I didn't find any other place to post it, I thought that putting it in my Talk Page it would be ignored since i've been innactive for a ''very'' long time.  Lastly I'm sorry for the long speech, I tend to do that I talk a lot.  To summarize, i just want to know if there's official proof, like Nomura saying why, if not, speculation is welcomed.  Thank you ^_^.

EDIT: While XI is understandable and XII wans't released by the time KHII was released, they are both out of the question, but XII is another candidate of exclusion, since no characters appeared in ''Days'' and none have been announced or revealed for Birth by Sleep, on a side note, Balthier or Gabranth would be cool though.}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= See, all the Final Fantasy characters that have appeared in the KH series, with the ''sole exception of Vivi'', were characters Nomura designed. Nomura has said that he didn't feel comfortable using the ones he didn't design himself in the KH series. The reason Vivi is the exception is because there was a large fan demand for him in Japan.
ETA: For the record, Nomura has designed Setzer and Shadow in FFVI and the casts of VII, VIII, X, XIII, Agito XIII and Versus XIII.}}

{{Cecil|text=Okay, so that clears it up, thank you Harpie Siren, my doubt is finally gone, it's unfortunate though that all those other characters won't appear on KH, but oh well.  Also it's cool to know that Nomura designed Setzer and Shadow, I didn't know that before.  Thank you ^_^.}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Happy to be of assistance. ^^}}

== Suggestion; Add Birth by Sleep reference to Appearence ==

Although Sephiroth NEVER did make an appearence in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, I would greatly appreciate it if this section were to be added to the Appearences with Sephiroth:




'''Birth by Sleep'''




Although Sephiroth never did make a direct appearence in Birth by Sleep, it can be implyed he may have had an indirect appearence. In the ending credits, Zack is seen leaning against the door to Olympus Coliseum while watching Phil train Hercules. A black feather flutters behind Zack, and he looks around in surprise. All that is then seen of him afterwards is a single feather drifting down where he once stood.




Would it be alright to add this into the article?




(Oh, and on a side note, while it did somewhat dissapoint me that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura Tetsuya Nomura] kept his word that only Zach from FFVII:BC would appear, at least it put a grin on my face to see a sign of Sephiroth...perhaps this is what Cloud was really looking for in Kingdom Hearts? Who knows...)[[Special:Contributions/71.116.53.127|71.116.53.127]] 02:35, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
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 {{Flashpenny | He's not a Nobody. If he's Cloud's Nobody than where's Cloud's Heartless? I'd probably say that at some undetermined time Cloud's body split into a light and darkness part and they embodied that although that's purely fanfic. An alternative is that he's still playing mind games with Cloud following Advent Children.}}
 {{Firaga44|text=besides i thought in the game sephiroth said that he was the darkness within cloud's heart}}
-{{Hotdragon|time=19:53, July 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yeah, because in FF7 Sephiroth hate Cloud and he try to manipulate him like a puppet.}}
 == Lance Bass ==
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 == lance bass ==
-Many of the ff characters were downgraded eg. david boreanaz as leon or mandy moore as aerith, (both of whom got worse va's for KH2 arguably like sephiroth). Disney were the only reason they were ale to get those high quality va's in the first game. Its much more likely square wanted someone they, themselves could afford for sephiroths appearances in the compilation of ffvii games and for there other ff characters when theyd appear in games disney weren't involved in because square want they're characters voices to be as consistent as possible. Its not because it isn't cool to have sephiroth voiced by the gay one from nsync. You wouldnt been able to tell that was him playing the voice of Sephiroth.
+Many of the ff characters were downgraded eg. david boreanaz as leon or mandy moore as aerith, (both of whom got worse va's for KH2 arguably like sephiroth). Disney were the only reason they were ale to get those high quality va's in the first game. Its much more likely square wanted someone they, themselves could afford for sephiroths appearances in the compilation of ffvii games and for there other ff characters when theyd appear in games disney weren't involved in because square want they're characters voices to be as consistent as possible. Its not because it isn't cool to have sephiroth voiced by the gay one from nsync.
-== How Long Is Sephiroth's blade ==
+== How Long Is Seporoth's blade ==
 {{User:Xiggie/TalkTemplate
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 I think he ment inches. Anyways, I've seen replica blades as long as 102 inches long... but we can make a guess. Cloud's Buster Sword is about 7 feet long, handle to tip I think. During the scene where Cloud and Spehi confront eachother during the Battle of 1000 Heartless, Shepiroth's blade looks to be about twice as long, or so. So it seems around 168 inches, but that's a rough guess... Unless the Final Fantasy wiki get's a update, I doubt we'll ever have an offical length [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 11:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
-What are you talking abot? Sephiroth sword is 7 feet this is 1 feet more than sephiroth itself.--[[Special:Contributions/206.167.229.130|206.167.229.130]] 14:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
-{{Organization 13|inquisitive=According to the FFWiki its 7 feet.}}
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 {{NitrousX|xmastext=Woohoo! Thanks Maggosh!}}
 {{Lvl5|text=i think his blade is about,say 12 meters (about 35-40 feet)}}
-{{KrytenKoro|On a related note, does Sephiroth really not have the bottom two wings in KH1?}}
 ==Troubling Question==
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 {{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Happy to be of assistance. ^^}}
-== Is this worth noting? ==
+== Suggestion; Add Birth by Sleep reference to Appearence ==
-As far as I can tell Sephiroth is the only FF villain in KH.  I think I'll add that to the trivia. [[User:Black Tornado|Black Tornado]] 18:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
-== embodyment of clouds darkness? ==
-is the sephiroth in kh2 an unversed like vanitas?
-:Nope, Sephiroth is not an Unversed, he's just another villian like Jafar or Oogie Boogie. However, he is often referred to as the embodiment of Cloud's darkness.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 23:51, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
-I would say that Sephiroth is an Unversed, except that Cloud still has darkness in his heart.
-Maybe Sephiroth was able to return as the "embodiment of Cloud's Darkness" possibly due to the Jeonova Cells in his body.
-this is just a hypothesis. but it does make some sense. [[User:Chaosmage1| Chaosmage1]]
-== Come to think of it... ==
+Although Sephiroth NEVER did make an appearence in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, I would greatly appreciate it if this section were to be added to the Appearences with Sephiroth:
-Is it really such a surprise that Sephiroth and Sora don't recognise each other. I mean, would YOU recognise a total stranger you fought in a fight over a year ago? Who agrees?([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 04:30, May 13, 2010 (UTC))
-That is circumstantial. Considering the amount of effort and time I had to put in to beat Sephiroth, ''I'd'' remember that son of a b*tch. --{{User:JFHavoc/Sig}} 05:41, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
-Well, It might be something to do with the Memory menipulation or the possibility that, like the [[Lingering Sentiment|LS]], there might not be a place within timeline for the Platinum Match. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!--[[User:Gr8champ|<font color="green">'''I'll'''</font>]][[User talk:Gr8champ|<font color="purple">'''Crush'''</font>]][[User:Gr8champ/Dissidia:Kingdom's_Fantasy|<font color="blue">'''You!'''</font>]] 06:34, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
-::Sora does have time for the Hades Cup, though, and its indicated he had time for Kurt Zisa. It might simply be that Sephiroth doesn't care at all, and Sora's had his memories dicked with.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:16, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
-== Why is Lance Bass listed in the Japanese Voice Actors section? ==
+'''Birth by Sleep'''
-<s>Last I looked, Morikawa was the one who was the Japanese VA for all of the KH games.  *goes to edit* [[User:Notherland|Notherland]] 20:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)</s>
-Nevermind, answered my own question.  KHFM used the English voice acting tracks. [[User:Notherland|Notherland]] 20:55, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
-== World ==
+Although Sephiroth never did make a direct appearence in Birth by Sleep, it can be implyed he may have had an indirect appearence. In the ending credits, Zack is seen leaning against the door to Olympus Coliseum while watching Phil train Hercules. A black feather flutters behind Zack, and he looks around in surprise. All that is then seen of him afterwards is a single feather drifting down where he once stood.
-{{Hangon|time=05:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think we should change Seph. and Cloads Homeworld to ??????????? or what ever their HW is in FF, but technicly they're created by something, I don't know much about FF, but even Goofy asks, "Did they go back to their Home World, G'yuk!" but no one knows.}}
-I think Cloud's home world is Radiant Garden. Leon, Aerith, and Cid all recognize him, so it's highly likely that he lived there, left after its fall like the others did, and went to Olympus Coliseum. And since Sephiroth in KH is Cloud's Darkness, that means they're technically from the same world. --[[Special:Contributions/66.215.20.249|66.215.20.249]] 06:24, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
-{{Hangon|time=14:18, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Good point, but how do they disappear? And were do they go?}}
-== Octaslash ==
-Yesterday I edited the page, noticing that Sephiroth's multi-swing attack, is called "a different version of Cloud's Omnislash" when it is called Octaslash in both Crisis Core and Dissidia. I added the name but it was removed, why is that? --[[User:BGMaxie|BGMaxie]] 15:20, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
+Would it be alright to add this into the article?
-probably because they thought it was speculation, I'm not sure though. {{User:17master/Sign}}
-:: I'm not sure how important this really is, but technically, Octaslash was never a named move until Crisis Core. I'm not sure what the move would be considered in KH1, but it does seem like Nomura is trying to say "Cloud is the only one who can use Omnislash."[[Special:Contributions/75.206.104.221|75.206.104.221]] 05:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
-== superboss? ==
-Shouldnt we label Sephiroth and YMX(KHBBS)and the Dustflyer in KH365/2 says as "Superboss"?
+(Oh, and on a side note, while it did somewhat dissapoint me that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura Tetsuya Nomura] kept his word that only Zach from FFVII:BC would appear, at least it put a grin on my face to see a sign of Sephiroth...perhaps this is what Cloud was really looking for in Kingdom Hearts? Who knows...)[[Special:Contributions/71.116.53.127|71.116.53.127]] 02:35, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
-In a lot of Square Enix games a boss that is more challangeing then the final boss is called a "Superboss".
-Its not just Kingdom hearts, final fantasy has them too. and in the world ends with you mr. Hanekoma is a superboss.
-i just thought we should make a page for it. Look here-->  http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Superboss
-[[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] ([[User talk:Unknown3619|talk]]) 15:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
-:I dislike this idea since there are quite a lot of super bosses but mainly because there are bosses which some may say are a super boss while others won't. For example Vanitas Remnant. He is a very hard boss but there's also the Unknown. And I don't think Dustflier is a superboss since he is too easy. Its not neccessary so I say leave it out. --{{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
-Yeah I was thinking that when I typed it in. But had too make sure you know? [[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] ([[User talk:Unknown3619|talk]]) 16:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
-:It shouldn't be a "super boss," per se, but because the bosses are optional (side quests,) just call them "Optional Bosses" or something to that effect. [[File:Keyblade KHREC.png]]<font color=lime>~D3xus</font> 17:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
-wait! We already do that! Awesome! I guess this whole coversation was a waste of time. Sorry! carry on. [[User:Unknown3619|Unknown3619]] ([[User talk:Unknown3619|talk]]) 17:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)