Editing Talk:Riku-Ansem

==Moving==
{{Xiggie|text=Shouldn't this article be moved to either '''Riku/Xehanort's Heartless''' or just add the info to the [[Riku]] article?}}
===No===
It's about Riku's new form, not exactly Xehanort's Heartless itself. So...

{{Xiggie|text=How about'''Riku/Xehanort's Heartless Form''' then?

I just think that it should be a part of Riku's Article!}}

Well, I guess we could consider moving it.

As Riku calls himself "Ansem" in this form, not "Xehanort's Heartless", this should be under "Ansem Form".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Merging with Riku article ==

People! This page is a spin-off article about Riku's form as Xehanort's Heartless, not the Riku article itself. Consider it like the other forms our Kingdom Hearts characters use. Of course, this is not really a useful form in battle, but it's still a disguise.

This article should not be merged, because it has an independent purpose of its own as Riku's alternate forms, just like his [[Dark Mode]]. Besides, if you consider this page should be merged, then maybe you should merge the Dark Mode article too. It isn't exactly a good article itself.
[[User:Charmed-Jay]] April 10, 2009

==Renaming==
So Days's museum labels him as "Riku-Ansem" (or was it Ansem-Riku? I forget and my DS is dead). So not only does that confirm we should use Ansem rather than Xehanort, doesn't that also give us an actual official name rather than just "Riku (Anything)"? [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 08:55, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
:What museum are you talking about?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:23, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Er, not museum, theater. The cutscene viewer thing. Sorry. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 16:40, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
::The scene is actually dubbed "Riku Becomes Ansem." There's also one called "DiZ and Riku", if that's what you meant by the whole Riku-Ansem thing, since Ansem is really DiZ, and the "Ansem" is Xehanort's Heartless (wow... really redundant). I'd say we retitle back to Riku (Xehanort's Heartless). - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 23:31, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Please actually look at the entire list before you make yourself look foolish. There's also one simply called "Riku-Ansem." [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 03:59, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
:"Mickey and Riku-Ansem". That shit is canonical.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:58, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

==Improvement==
Would it be possible to get a Photoshop artist to believalby mix a render of Xehanort's Heartless with an Organization member (Xemnas, preferrably)'s cloak? We could then have a "sub-proper" image. We also need to reformat the page, as it has some story significance. The way it is positioned now is as a really long "opening paragraph". We need to reformat with a Story, Weapon, and Fighting Style section, along with anything else necessary. - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 18:01, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

EDIT : Would it be possible instead to extract the render from the Jiminy Journal in a large size while still HQ? - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 19:00, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

== How does he do it? ==

Hey guys i want to put on this article that it is unknown how riku is able to turn back to riku during the riku-mickey cutscene, but during his battle with roxas he gets stuck as ansem-xehanort's heartless, but i havent beat days yet, so im just not sure how he does it. i just wanted to check with u guys before i put it on there --[[User:Kingdom zachdawg|Kingdom zachdawg]] 04:53, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
Its been some time, but I think this is how it happened. At some point the Darkness in Riku grew strong enought that against his will he gained the appearance of Ansem. He realized that by wearing the blindfold he was able to surpress that Darkness and return himself to his real form. During the fight with Roxas he had to give in completely to the Darkness, thus rendering his ability to surpress it unusable. --Evnyofdeath 00:41, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

==Something I noticed==

If you look at the image in the article of him using the Guardian to defeat Roxas, he is grabbing Roxas's shoulders. However in Days, he grabs Roxas around the arms or waist.  --Evnyofdeath 16:55, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

==Deletion?==

{{NinjaSheik|text=This has been discussed before, but I think it's finally time to decide this. When I was editing on [[Form:Riku]]'s page, I noticed that his Riku-Ansem is, naturally, listed under it (along with his journal entries, which looks out of place to me). The article has been tagged with a template for a while now, suggesting we should merge with Riku's article. That being said, it's something I agree to. No matter form he takes, Riku is still Riku. So, I find this page unnecessary. What does everyone else think?}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=20:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)|shulk=I think this is more of a "fused" character, like Ventus-Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort, so it should stay.

Also, regarding the following, ''However, those who truly know Riku can sense him behind the appearance, as witnessed when Sora recognizes him in The Land of Dragons.'' 

Do we have a source for this, because I always thought it was because he's using the Soul Eater?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Nope, no source. When they met face-to-face, Sora didn't know it was Riku until told Kairi told him and they did the "placing-hands-on-top-of-each-other-and-close-your-eyes-to-see-past-the-darkness" thing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbumCLmNBuA I went back and watched that scene in LoD. In fact, Sora did not recognize/sense Riku when they were chasing him. After they fought, Sora thought it might have been Riku because he ran away and left, leaving Sora confused. He wasn't even sure if it was Riku the whole time. When they met Xigbar with his hood up, Sora even called him "Riku". It was only when he spoke with the Emperor (Emperor called Riku "rude") and Shang ("wise-guys" comment) that Sora was truly convinced that Riku was there]. So that being the case, that line is misleading and should be removed.

Anyway, Riku does have a part of Ansem's darkness still inside of him, but he has it under the control. I know the situation is similar to Ventus-Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort, but I don't know. I feel kind of uneasy for some reason. Riku's in control of his actions and taking Ansem's appearance was merely a side effect when he using his dark powers ("To use the power of darkness, I had to become Ansem myself" line) when battling Roxas. Well, I would like come to a decision since this discussion is long overdue. Whatever happens, I'll okay with keeping the page the way it is. Afterwards, we can finally link the main article in Form:Riku's page.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=06:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)|ike=Riku-Ansem is Riku controlling Ansem's body, like Ventus-Vanitas is Vanitas controlling Ventus's body and Terra-Xehanort is MX controlling Terra's body. The only difference between these is that with Riku-Ansem, the good guy is in control.}}
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 08:54, 7 July 2015 (UTC)|default=I'm gonna agree with TSH on this one.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=True, but I can't help but think it'd be better just to move it to Form:Riku's page. In terms of Ven-Van, though, their article is treated more like a boss page. Well, it's not that big of a deal. I'm okay with it either way. :) So, it's decided, then? Anymore thoughts?}}

== Merge with Riku ==

I personally don't see a reason for why this should be it's own page. I read that this was being compared to Ventus-Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort which I don't see as a fair comparison. In Ventus-Vanitas' case it was Ventus body being controlled by Vanitas. Same with Xehanort taking charge of Terra's body. In this scenario it's just Riku's body which changed appearance. Ansem isn't controlling him, nor is he controlling Ansem. Remember Ansem doesn't have a proper body. In KH1 he stole Riku's body and reshaped it to something more suitable. When Sora fights Ansem at End of the World he's actually fighting Ansem's heart inside Riku's reshaped body. By continuing to have this page we're sort of saying that this is it's own entity, which it really isn't. It's just Riku with a different appearance. He doesn't even have different mind if we're to compare him to Anti-Aqua. It's just Riku. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 14:26, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
:It's not simply changing appearance, as it's an actual condition. That's why the Encoder exploding had a measurable effect on this. There is something fundamentally different about Riku-Ansem's composition, versus standard Riku.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
::Same goes for Ansem (Robed Figure) and Ansem SoD with Riku's body. KH3D even has separate journal entries for them. But if the wiki has chosen to have those two on the same page shouldn't same follow with Riku and Riku-Ansem? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 18:59, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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 :It's not simply changing appearance, as it's an actual condition. That's why the Encoder exploding had a measurable effect on this. There is something fundamentally different about Riku-Ansem's composition, versus standard Riku.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 ::Same goes for Ansem (Robed Figure) and Ansem SoD with Riku's body. KH3D even has separate journal entries for them. But if the wiki has chosen to have those two on the same page shouldn't same follow with Riku and Riku-Ansem? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 18:59, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
-:::Robed Figure should not be on the same page. KH3D makes it very clear they are separate.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
-== Main image ==
-The main image is a render of Riku-Ansem's old look pre-HD, should we perhaps update it with an image of his redesigned appearance? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 18:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
-== Hyphenated naming inconsistency? ==
-I know “Riku-Ansem” has been established in-game, but considering the “possessee-possessor” scheme of Terra-Xehanort and Ventus-Vanitas, is Riku-Ansem inconsistent? Has this been officially addressed? [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] ([[User talk:TJF588|talk]]) 14:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC) [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] ([[User talk:TJF588|talk]]) 14:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)