Editing Talk:Radiant Garden

==Second Castle==

{{unbirthtalk|text=I never understood how the second castle (maleficent's one, with the heartless emblem on each tower) appeared in this world. I mean, Maleficent used Hollow Bastion (the first castle) as a base in Kh, so the second probably didn't exist yet (even if the rest of the world was destroyed, she probably didn't built an other castle before). So, how the hell has it appeared ? Has it been built by heartless ?}}

I'm guessing she built it before she took over hollow bastion. [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself 123</font>''']] 23:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Methinks it is so. Who knows, maybe Birth By Sleep could shed some light on it. After all, at that time Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden weren't plummeted into the darkness by Xehanort. ^_^

EDIT : Now I remember something. The ''Forteresse'' that we saw in KH1 could be very well the "castle under reconstruction" in KHII. Because from what I know (I think I saw this in the Ansem Reports, though I might be wrong) HB was heavily modified for Xehanort's project. I'm pretty sure that once the Keyhole of the world is consumed, what is left is only the remnant of the world (think Destiny Islands). The ''Forteresse'' could be the remnant of HB that Xehanort '''needed''' to preserve, in order to get along with his plan.

Again, I might be wrong.}}

== Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden ==

I heard in KHII HB's real named is Radiant Garden is that right? Cococrash11

{{Pokhmon|time=09:55, January 31, 2010 (UTC)|text=yep jusd beat the MCP in trons world  }}

== Radiant Garden or The Radiant Garden? ==

Is there a point calling this "The Radiant Garden" why not just call it "Radiant Garden" instead? Cococrash11
:Because that's not its name.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
::Well, it ''was'' "The Radiant Garden" in KH2, but as of BBS, it's just "Radiant Garden", so we can move it back, I guess.
::Also, anyone else notice that there's an actual ''world'' beyond the town, now?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:00, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=The new logo in BbS labels it simply as "Radiant Garden". I say we rename it.}}
{{TNE|time=10:58, November 26, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=Indeed, and obviously the search term used by 99% of people would be ''Radiant Garden'' rather than ''The Radiant Garden''. Even the translations beneath the logo (for other versions) don't make use of the article (it's ''Jardin Radieux'', for example). It's practically understood that despite the "the" not being there, the place is still referred to as ''Radiant Garden''. Even Aerith calls it ''Radiant Garden'' without the "the". Damn, I can go on and on...}}

== About Lego's edit on this... ==

{{Dornob|time=04:12, December 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=He added the Trivia that the castle that overlooks Radiant Garden vaguely resembles Castle That Never Was. It may seem a little bit looking alike, but I don't see any major likeness between the two. If I'm wrong, someone clarify.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=04:21, December 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yeah, it actually more closely resembles Castle Oblivion in the BbS logo, and even that is a bit too speculative to me.}}
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 05:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=A lot of castles look alike, and I think the similarities are too vague to be good Trivia for this page. Now if the castle was modeled after The Castle that Never Was it would be a whole other story. But... it's not.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=05:30, December 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=Right, so I removed that, but another piece of trivia is bugging me a little. It says that the BbS Radiant Garden bears a strong resemblance to the Gardens in Final Fantasy VIII. Now I don't have the game, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems too speculative to me. Should that be removed too?}}
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 05:32, December 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=Probably. Trivia is supposed to be mostly interesting '''facts''', not speculation. Speculation can be put in trivia, but that is mostly for theories that are '''very''' likely or widely accepted.}}

== Only World ==

Will contain BBS Spoilers

{{R&D|time=18:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)|text=There is a Trivia saying that this is the only world to change name, but considering that at the end of BBS the Land of Departure became Castle Oblivon, thus having the name changed that trivia should be removed or at least altered.}}
{{TNE|time=03:16, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Done.}}

===About Disney Castle (Still under this section)===
{{TNE|time=04:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Right about the Timeless River, but Disney Town and Disney Castle, as I view it, are two different things altogether (castle, town... ?). Indeed, they refer to about the same place, but we don't know what the actual name of the world is. (And then again, the Town was seen in KH1 on the World Map, but it wasn't called Disney Town !)}}

{{R&D|time=04:25, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=As far as we know the world could be called Disney Land or even Disney World. So these three "locations" should be on separate pages for now until something new comes up, and the trivia should stay.}}
{{TNE|time=04:27, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=That revision shall be undone.}}

{{R&D|time=04:34, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=And it should remain untouched from now on, or my wrath will fall on those who do not obey!!}}
{{TNE|time=04:39, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=You mean '''MY''' wrath.}}

{{R&D|time=04:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Our wrath then. OUR WRATH!!! This will scare the other users.}}
{{TNE|time=04:55, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=It won't scare the seasoned ones unless we have a basis for the argument. I guess this one does have a base.}}

{{R&D|time=05:09, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Glad we settled this. Next issue, please.}}
{{KrytenKoro|As I understand it, each of these instances is just the castle remaining after the world was devoured, so it's not so much the name being changed as everything else disappearing (excluding Disney).

Furthermore, if the basis of the original discussion was that the trivia bit would need to be corrected, but it would be a spoiler, why not just remove it? Especially since the name-change is plot info anyway, it would be better to simply explain the phenomena in the story section, and leave it out of the trivia.}}
{{TNE|time=06:23, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Question is, was Disney Town ever devoured by Darkness ? The only time we ever hear of the Darkness encroaching into that place was in KHII. That was the first instance.

And also, if the wiki policy was already stated as to insert spoilers even in the story section, then we might as well apply it anywhere else. Otherwise, what's the rationale of keeping it in the story section ? First of all, how is it ever going to be put in the story section ?}}

{{R&D|time=20:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=First of all, Disney was never devoured by Darkness, now if you meant the Land of Departure, I don't think it was devoured but dragged near the Realm of Darkness (Castle Oblivion is on the Realm of Between closer to the Realm of Darkness). 

And about the trivia, I'll change it a bit removing the ''"which became Castle Oblivion"'' part, If the someone wants to know why the name was changed then check the section inside the spoiler template on LoD. Kay?}}
{{KrytenKoro|There's a very specific reason I said "excluding Disney".

#The policy is spoilers with spoiler warnings. It's not a huge deal, though.
#Trivia which has to say "the only one if you exclude these others" makes it pretty useless.
#It would be put into the story section something like "It was once known as Land of Departure, but became Castle Oblivion."
}}

{{R&D|time=21:18, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Do as you please, if the changes you do aren't good we can keep this debate until we reache a solution.}}

==Shinra?==

{{Cecil|text=It was added in the Trivia section that this world looks similar too FFVII's Shinra, I don't see a resemblance, but, even if there's any, since I saw the BBS Version of Radiant Garden I ''have'' found a stronger similarity to another FF location, Balamb and Galbadia Gardens.  To explain, both are "floating" or "hovering", both have a ring below them, in the FFVIII Garden's case, these are flotation rings, in Radiant garden they might just be for style and to hold the water jets, but they look very alike, except of course that the FFVIII gardens are much more technological and are schools, RG is a castle.  And let's not forget that they are both named "Gardens".  What do you think, is it Trivia worthy?}}

== Who's the leader right now? THERE WILL BE SPOILERS ==

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 06:40, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= So, every time I add into the trivia that since Ansem the Wise isn't the ruler of Radiant Garden anymore after his "death" (subject to change since we found out he never died and is in the Realm of Darkness with Aqua), Leon can be considered the TEMPORARY ruler/leader/role model type person of Radiant Garden until a permanent one could be found. Can someone explain why that keeps getting taken down? Cuz its not speculation, cuz if it is, then all the other tidbits of info that are on articles that use words like "assuming", "considered", "if blah blah blah is applied", and whatnot need to be taken down, since they too fall into the category of speculation. Yay long questions!!}}
{{LapisScarab|time=07:00, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=It ''is'' speculation, because absolutely nothing indicates that Leon is the new leader. It isn't speculation just because words like "assuming" are used (though it would be preferable if they were not), it's speculations because there is ''no confirmation for it whatsoever''.}}
{{TNE|time=07:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=No, no, a thousand times no, because it's already evident that HBRC isn't a ruling committee, but only a restoration committee. So technically, there's no ruler for HB until a new one is announced.}}

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 13:54, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= YEESH I ask a question and people jump all over me like a monkey on a pile of bananas hahaha. The only reason I said that Leon bit was because he's there protecting the people of Radiant Garden, which is what a ruler should do. So that's where I got that idea from. I never once said tho that the entire HBRC were the rulers, I'm just saying Leon is like a morale leader for all the other people. Can we AT LEAST put in there something about it being rulerless, like maybe one of the few worlds with no ruler ( others being TWTNW, End of the World, Neverland cuz no one ever said who their leader was, Peter Pan i'm guessing, and i don't know i think there are more.)? Until, God willing the game makers do this, Ansem the Wise makes it back to RG. Also I still don't understand how using "assuming" isn't speculation at times after reading what you said.}}

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 13:56, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= er....... meant to say "one of the few worlds with no ruler at the moment" or some variant. I just woke up so I'm kinda drowzee. YAY Pokemon references!!}}
{{TNE|time=13:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=Next time, word your questions as simply as possible.

Leon is a morale leader of sorts, but he's not the only one. And about HB being rulerless, it's already implied from the after-BBS section, when the apprentices banished Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, that Xehanort would rule HB. Then after Xehanort's defeat, HB was left rulerless. If it's already implied, why make it express ?}}

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 14:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= because people (like me sometimes) are sometimes too thickheaded to see the implications and understand them hahaha.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=14:18, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=Using weasel words like "assuming" and others like it do not ''automatically'' make something speculation, but it would be better if they were not used. If something is not confirmed by the game designers, other people involved in the creation of the game, or in the game itself, it is speculation, and speculation should not be on the articles.}}

== Unversed ==

the unversed sction needs more images couse there is only 3...and i veseen more just 2 types of unversed in this world... i would myself annd images(and i tried), but for some reason they didn't work....
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 {{Cecil|text=It was added in the Trivia section that this world looks similar too FFVII's Shinra, I don't see a resemblance, but, even if there's any, since I saw the BBS Version of Radiant Garden I ''have'' found a stronger similarity to another FF location, Balamb and Galbadia Gardens.  To explain, both are "floating" or "hovering", both have a ring below them, in the FFVIII Garden's case, these are flotation rings, in Radiant garden they might just be for style and to hold the water jets, but they look very alike, except of course that the FFVIII gardens are much more technological and are schools, RG is a castle.  And let's not forget that they are both named "Gardens".  What do you think, is it Trivia worthy?}}
-If you can back it up- Hollow Bastion and Midgar are similar, but keep in mind that Kingdom hearts was designed to have a different style, but still retain somethings. I doubt that one of the main KH original worlds would be built after a FF one, and gardens are just a good,
-beautiful bit of scenery. I have a few in my book. Tetsuya may also be having an idea similar to J.R.R Tolkien's that to much industrialism is bad, and that 's one of the things that ruined Radiant Garden's appearance.[[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 06:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
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 == Who's the leader right now? THERE WILL BE SPOILERS ==
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 == Unversed ==
-the unversed sction needs more images couse there is only 3...and i veseen more just 2 types of unversed in this world... i would myself annd images(and i tried), but for some reason they didn't work....[[User:P456|P456]] 20:39, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
+the unversed sction needs more images couse there is only 3...and i veseen more just 2 types of unversed in this world... i would myself annd images(and i tried), but for some reason they didn't work....
-:I don't know about the others but i don't know al the Unverseds that appear in there and in any other world but if you could give me a list i would be glad in help--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 22:06, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
-I have seen Blue Sea-Salt, Arch Raven, Scrappler and Mandrake. Idon't know if there is more, but those i have seen.[[User:P456|P456]] 11:47, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
-Done, Thanks for your help--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 12:44, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
-OH and there is also Chrono Twister. [[User:P456|P456]] 20:45, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
-== Final Fantasy VIII? ==
-So a number of you have probably already noticed this, but the name Radiant Garden seems to hint at a connection to the Gardens from FFVIII (Balamb, etc.). One of the pictures (the birth by sleep one) in particular looks like the flying Gardens from FFVIII. Any word on this and if it's more than just speculation? Considering the connection between the two games and the fact that Squall/Leon is from there, I feel like it was intentional. It'd be nice to confirm though.  jse334
-I find it funny that eight members of Org. XIII came from Radiant Garden (excluding Sora's Heartless/Nobody creation), and then there's the connection people make between RG and FFVIII. Seems like 8 is a very important number here. Of course, whether or not they intentionally used the number eight for a connection to FFVIII is beyond me. [[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 20:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
-== New Images? ==
-{{ErryTalk|text=I'm planning on uploading 4 pictures which all include English text, one is the facade of the castle(from the central plaza), the other is the exterior(the outer fountain area, beyond the walls), a close-up of the facade(directly in front of the castle doors) and the fountain plaza, any objections?}}
-:Is it at all possible for you to turn off the English patch before taking the pictures?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:59, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
-{{ErryTalk|text=It is possible}}
-{{ErryTalk|text=Okay, I've added the photos, now I have the photo of when the Radiant Garden was first surrounded by darkness, I'll post it once I get it in Japanese.}}
-==Curious Design==
-{{ErryTalk|text=I noticed something that could go into trivia, but it's unlikely:
-There's a design that's on both the Castle in the Radiant Garden and the Land of Departure, except it's inverted by each other, like it's upright on the Land of Departure but the other way round on the Hollow Bastion:
-http://i47.tinypic.com/e0rk0w.jpg
-See what I mean?}}
-{{No.i|time=18:05, May 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I never noticed that before. I think it should go in the trivia. Do you think it might be some symbol of light? Since Radiant Garden and Land of Departure are both light based worlds.}}
-{{ErryTalk|text=It's also located on the doors into the actual castle. It could be a sign of light, either that or they just ran out of designs, haha.}}
-== KHII world image ==
-Is it really the exact same as the Hollow Bastion image? If so, we need to rename [[:File:Hollow Bastion KHII.png]] to "Radiant Garden KHII.png"[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-== Heartless ==
-Which Heartless still appear in this world after it becomes Radiant Garden?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:10, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-== Non-dark enemies ==
-Claymore (during Space Paranoids episodes)
-Something like Claymore also appears in ReCoM at Castle Oblivion.
-Of course, by its nature, it could be considered a trap like the guillotine in Halloween Town, since you can't destroy it. It might just be mentioned in the area descriptions for both worlds (since it is permanent).
-Also, Honey Bee shows up as a full-fledged enemy at Twilight Town and 100 Acre Wood. Have we ever gotten a render of the bees? Can anyone extract one?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
-== Surroundings ==
-Is that water that surrounds the Radiant Garden logo in the BBS image?[[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 15:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
-{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 04:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)|auron2= As far as I can tell it is, but in KH2 it looks more like land, which puzzles me.}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=04:45, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=Well, Radiant Garden did sort of go to hell and back between BBS and KHII. Maybe the water dried up.}}
-{{Maggosh|flint=Keepin in mind the Rising Falls in Hollow Bastion, I'm finding it hard to believe that ALL of that water dried up in a year.}}
-{{ErryTalk|text=The water was there in BBS, then it's still there in KHI, but suddenly gone in KHII, except the fountains are still there and the 'rising falls' in KH2FM+ are there so maybe only the town has the water now?}}
-== this doesn't seem right ==
-{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 06:53, August 2, 2010 (UTC)|xigbar= ''As with Destiny Islands and Twilight Town, the only characters native to this world are either Kingdom Hearts-original characters or Final Fantasy characters.''
-Yea that's wrong to me since Merlin is now living in Radiant Garden, and he's a Disney character}}
-{{KrytenKoro|He ain't native to it, though. At least, as far as we know. If BBS says he was always from there, then it's just DI and TT.}}
-{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 04:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|luxord= Yea that's what I thought after I had posted it. As far as we know, he's lived there since Birth By Sleep since we see him there, but you're right we don't know if he's always lived there. Thanks for helping clear this up for me}}
-{{ErryTalk|time=17:47, 3 May 2011 (EDT)|edea=Wrong, he was there in BbS and KHII, but not in KHI, he moved to Traverse Town then. Anyways, The World that Never Was falls into that range as well since only the main Nobodies are native to that world, nothing else.}}
-== Dark Depths ==
-<blockquote>In ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]'', the '''Dark Depths''' area of [[Hollow Bastion]] becomes the name of an area in [[Radiant Garden]] which contains a large cliff overlooking the remains of [[Maleficent]]'s old castle. The Dark Depths can be reached if one proceeds through the Great Maw, and it is also where the player has the option to face [[Sephiroth]] in a boss battle. When Cloud faces Sephiroth, their battle also takes place in this area.</blockquote>
-== A Small Error ==
-The mention of Terra-Xehanort trying to 'release his darkness by throwing himself into the dark realm' (or whatever the exact line was) conflicts with other explanations of that scene on this site. If I'm not mistaken, Terra-Xehanort attempted to lock Terra's influence out of his heart, but failed when he locked his own (Master Xehanort's) influence as well.[[Special:Contributions/24.215.77.122|24.215.77.122]] 18:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin
-:What happens is that Terra managed to take control of the body for long enough to lock away both of their hearts.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:30, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
-::[[Talk:Master Xehanort's Keyblade#Master did it?|Not quite.]]{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}18:05, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
-== Japanese Name ==
-RG has its Japanese name: {{nihongo||輝ける庭|''Kagayakeru Niwa''}}. Should we add it to somewhere? Or is it just a translation of the worlds name? {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 19:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
-:Source?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 20:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
-:[http://i.imgur.com/R3FfJNV.png Here]. The Kanji name appears after the Katakana name. {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 14:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
-::However it's pronounced in-game should take precedence. The kanji is probably just there to provide the intended meaning to those who wouldn't understand otherwise (furigana, or at least the game's attempt at it). The novels do this at times as well. [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 00:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
-::Even then, it's the official just-there-to-provide-the-meaning of the world's name. Maybe we should add it in the infobox under the Katakana name? {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 17:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
-After watching the [http://youtu.be/yCqv3ENnuwI?t=22m2s cutscene in Japanese], I conclude that it's just Aerith translating "Radiant Garden" into Japanese after she says it in English. I'm not sure about putting it in the article, but I'd say definitely not in the infobox.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 19:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
-== Logo change in 2.5 HD Remix ==
-In the HD Remix the "the" of Radiant Garden seems to be omitted: [http://youtu.be/RNxFr2iJC7E?t=46m41s] --[[Special:Contributions/92.78.56.125|92.78.56.125]] 11:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
-:That's what I'm seeing from the English version as well. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 20:57, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
-== Geography ==
-Each room should be able to get a short paragraph about it; furthermore, the use of the second-person should be zealously avoided. In-universe all the way, chaps.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)