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{{EO|time=15:51, August 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=These videos and the information they contain need to be incorporated into the article. I'm gonna revise the article anyways as I go through Project BBS, but I'm not quite sure where to put everything.
{{EO|time=15:51, August 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=These videos and the information they contain need to be incorporated into the article. I'm gonna revise the article anyways as I go through Project BBS, but I'm not quite sure where to put everything.


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== Draft  ==
== Draft  ==
Is this ready to be posted on the page? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:55, 3 October 2015 (UTC)c


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{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 class="sortable" style="background-color:#F0F8FF; text-align:center; font-size:10px" align="center" width=90%
|- bgcolor="#6495ED"
|- bgcolor="#6495ED"
|width="20%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''World'''
|width="18%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''World'''
|width="5%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Character'''
|width="15%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Area'''
|width="35%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Spawn Trigger'''
|width="25%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Ingredients'''
|width="25%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Ingredients'''
|width="10%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Character'''
|width="18%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Location'''
|width="18%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Spawn Trigger'''
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Dwarf Woodlands KHBBS.png|100px|link=Dwarf Woodlands]]<br>'''[[Dwarf Woodlands]]'''
|rowspan=3|'''[[Dwarf Woodlands]]'''
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[File:Candy ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Apple Pie'''|夢見るリンゴ|<br>Yumemiru Ringo|lit. "Dream Apple"}}
*[[File:Topping ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Gaspberry'''|秘密のラズベリ|<br>Himitsu no Razuberi|lit. "Secret Raspberry"}}
*[[File:Topping ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Merry Mint'''|ハミングミント|<br>Hamingu Minto|lit. "Humming Mint"}}{{FMBbS}}
*[[File:Bottle ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Merry Dairy'''|ロマンスミルク|<br>Romansu Miruku|lit. "Romance Milk"}}
*[[File:Topping ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Nutty Nut'''|ワイルドナッツ|<br>Wairudo Nattsu|lit. "Wild Nuts"}}
*[[File:Candy ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Peach Fantasy'''|ファンタジーピーチ|<br>Fantajī Pīchi|lit. "Fantasy Peach"}}
|Terra
|Terra
|[[Underground Waterway]]
|[[Underground Waterway]]
|Spawn point on top of a waterfall near the exit to the [[Courtyard]].
|Spawn point on top of a waterfall near the exit to the [[Courtyard]].
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[Apple Pie]]
*[[Gaspberry]]
*[[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}
*[[Merry Dairy]]
*[[Nutty Nut]]
*[[Peach Fantasy]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Ventus
|Ventus
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|[[Flower Glade]]
|[[Flower Glade]]
|Area to the left of the path from the Courtyard.
|Area to the left of the path from the Courtyard.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Enchanted Dominion KHBBS.png|100px|link=Enchanted Dominion]]<br>'''[[Enchanted Dominion]]'''
|rowspan=3|'''[[Enchanted Dominion]]'''
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[File:Topping ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Bijou Bean'''|ジュエリービーンズ|<br>Juerī Bīnzu|lit. "Jewelry Beans"}}
*[[File:Candy ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Cherryberry'''|瓶詰めイチゴ|<br>Bindzume Ichigo|lit. "Bottled Strawberry"}}
*[[File:Cake ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Forest Muffin'''|森のカステラ|<br>Mori no Kasutera|lit. "Forest Castella"}}
*[[File:Topping ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Jumbo Almond'''|大粒アーモンド|<br>Ōtsubu Āmondo}}
*[[File:Bottle ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Rose Honey'''|ローズハニー|<br>Rōzu Hanī}}
*[[File:Bottle ingredient KHBBS.png|14px]]{{nihongo|'''Sky Blue Mousse'''|青空のゼリー|<br>Aozora no Zerī|lit. "Blue Sky Jelly"}}
|Terra
|Terra
|[[Waterside]]
|[[Waterside]]
|Near the wall of fire at the northernmost part.
|Near the wall of fire at the northernmost part.
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
*[[Bijou Bean]]
*[[Cherryberry]]
*[[Forest Muffin]]
*[[Jumbo Almond]]
*[[Rose Honey]]
*[[Sky Blue Mousse]]
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|Ventus
|Ventus
|[[Audience Chamber]]
|[[Audience Chamber]]
|Columned area to the left of the entrance. If Red Hot Chilis appear, leave the area and return.
|Columned area to the left of the entrance. If Red Hot Chilis appear, leave the area and return.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Aqua
|Aqua
|Waterside
|Waterside
|After exiting the [[Forest Clearing]], in the corner of the cliff on the left side.
|After exiting the [[Forest Clearing]], in the corner of the cliff on the left side.
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Castle of Dreams KHBBS.png|100px|link=Castle of Dreams]]<br>'''[[Castle of Dreams]]'''
|Terra
|[[Palace Courtyard]]
|Go over to the fountain in the center and defeat four Red Hot Chilis. If another four appear, exit the area and come back.
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[Birthday Cake]]
*[[Chocolate Valentine]]
*[[Crystal Soda]]
*[[Crystal Sugar]]
*[[Rich Marshmallow]]{{FMBbS}}
*[[Wedding Cake]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Ventus
|[[Mousehole]]
|Far end of the area accessible through the hole on top of the end table with a clock in the [[Wardrobe Room]].
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Aqua
|Foyer
|Underneath the stairs on the left side. If you don't encounter a single [[Bruiser]] beforehand, re-enter the area until it appears.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|[[File:Radiant Garden KHBBS.png|100px|link=Radiant Garden]] <br>'''[[Radiant Garden]]'''
|All
|[[Fountain Court]]
|Defeat four [[Blue Sea Salt]]s in the recess adjacent to the stairs. If Red Hot Chilis appear instead, leave the area and come back.
|style="text-align:left"|
*[[Moogle Coffee]]
*[[Nebula Nectar]]
*[[Rocket Soda]]
*[[Soy Milk]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Disney Town KHBBS.png|100px|link=Disney Town]]<br>'''[[Disney Town]]'''
|Terra
|[[Raceway]]
|Defeat four Blue Sea Salts in the blue walled roof across from the exit of [[Pete's Rec Room]], only accessible via Air Sliding. If a [[Chrono Twister]] appears, leave the area and come back.
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[Melodious Grape]]{{FMBbS}}
*[[Prickle Pepper]]
*[[Toonbasco]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Ventus
|Raceway
|Roof leading from the exit to Pete's Rec Room. Defeat four Blue Sea Salts. If none appear, leave the area and come back.
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Aqua
|Raceway
|After exiting the [[Raceway Registration]], immediately to your left against the wall with the hidden Mickeys. Must defeat a few Blue Sea Salts beforehand.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|[[File:Olympus Coliseum KHBBS.png|100px|link=Olympus Coliseum]]<br>'''[[Olympus Coliseum]]'''
|All
|[[Town Near Thebes]]
|Southeast corner. If only Red Hot Chilis appear, or none appear at all, leave the area and come back until Red Hot Chilis and Prize Pots appear together.
|style="text-align:left"|
*[[Cotton Cloudcandy]]
*[[Heroic Orange]]
*[[Nutty Nut]]
*[[Thundercracker]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=2|[[File:Deep Space KHBBS.png|100px|link=Deep Space]]<br>'''[[Deep Space]]'''
|Terra,<br>Aqua
|[[Turo Prison Block]]
|Far end of the hall
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=2|
*[[Balloon Melon]]
*[[Bizarro Bean]]
*[[Cream Fluff]]
*[[Galactic Caramel]]
*[[Fizzy Tizzy]]
*[[Star Syrup]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Ventus
|[[Durgon Transporter]]
|In the airlock leading to the [[Ship Exterior]]. Defeat the first wave of enemies that appear in the room, after which the Prize Pods will appear. If a second wave of enemies appears instead, exit and re-enter the room and try again.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Neverland KHBBS.png|100px|link=Neverland]]<br>'''[[Neverland]]'''
|Terra
|[[Skull Rock: Entrance]]
|Small cliff accessible via Air Slide from [[Skull Rock: Cavern]]. If [[Jellyshade]]s and a [[Triple Wrecker]] appear, leave the area and come back.
|style="text-align:left" rowspan=3|
*[[Dancin' Lemon]]
*[[Golden Jam]]
*[[Honeybunch]]
*[[Mermaid Salt]]
*[[Rainbow Syrup]]
*[[Whipped Dream]]
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|Ventus
|[[Mermaid Lagoon]]
|On the ledge accessible from the Cliff Path. A Wild Bruiser will appear alone first, followed by the Prize Pods and four [[Yellow Mustard]]s. If the Wild Bruiser and Yellow Mustards appear together, exit the area and re-enter.
|-bgcolor="#dfdff0"
|Aqua
|[[Indian Camp]]
|Far end of the area. Appears alongside a Wild Bruiser.
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=2|[[File:Mirage Arena KHBBS.png|100px|link=Mirage Arena]]<br>'''[[Mirage Arena]]'''
|rowspan=2|All
|[[Risky Riches]]
|Eight Prize Pods appear in the second-to-last wave of Round Three.
|style="text-align:left"|
*[[Dancin' Lemon]]
*[[Open Sesame]]{{FMBbS}}
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|[[Treasure Tussle]]
|Prize Pods spawn on the third wave of Round Three and appear on both platforms.
|style="text-align:left"|
*[[Open Sesame]]
*[[Starry Sky Delight]]{{FMBbS}}
|}
It has a lot of empty space that we should trim first, and the characters should have br instead of commas. I am somewhat confused though, what is the intent of this version compared to the previous? Is it to replace the images for readers whose computers won't load them? If so, would it be possible to do both image and word (for world at least) to try and fill some of the blank space?
:Also, why are we putting the ingredient nihongo on this page instead of the Ice Cream page?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:27, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to remove the images. Adding world icons could make this table look prettier, I agree. I put the ingredient nihongo (and icons) here because if we're removing the locations from the Ice Cream page, it'd make more sense to redirect the ingredients here, where most of the information is kept. I assume most readers search for an ingredient name because they're missing it as part of a recipe and want to see where it is; if they're redirected to the Ice Cream page, they'll only see what recipe their ingredient belongs to, which would be useless knowledge to them. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:37, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::Wouldn't it make more sense to put this table on the Ice Cream page, then? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Locations of this manner basically serve as a strategy section for the Prize Pods, so they make sense here, but that also means the table is fairly packed. Aesthetically, I think it would look nicer to have the ingredient nihongo on that page, and have this one focus on where to find the Prize Pods that drop them. It would leave both tables less cluttered than repeating the same info in both places.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:39, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::::So which article would the ingredients redirect to? The locations should be on that page. I have no problem with this table being on the Ice Cream page and this strategy section linking to that page. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::Maybe we could make a "List of Ice Cream Ingredients" page and put it on there. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::We can put the world on the ingredients/ice cream page, I guess.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:05, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Why can't all the information (nihongos, worlds, specific locations within the world) be all in one place rather than scattered across pages? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::It's not all part of the same information. Some of that is information for the Prize Pods (specific locations), some of that is info for the Ice Cream (nihongo and world). Trying to combine that all into one page would mean bloating this page with information on the Ice Creams; trying to put too much information about items on an enemy page already makes it difficult to organize and categorize, and that kind of thing doesn't really work too well if you have to start making tables (we do the Mushrooms because you can handle those with quick, simple prose). There's no real need to create a ''third'' page if we already have the Ice Cream page, so it makes the most sense to have the walkthrough portion on how to hunt Prize Pods on this page (it's not like the way you hunt them depends on the ingredients at all, you just get that world's set of ingredients at random no matter what), and all the item data on an item page.
::Mostly, though, I think the table looks a bit cramped having the nihongo and strategy paragraph at the same time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
My gripe is when you search for an ingredient, you're redirected to the Ice Cream page which doesn't describe its location in detail and doesn't guide the reader on where to find that information. In my playthrough, I had an issue where I was missing a few ingredients (since I never hammered the Prize Pods enough) and needed to find the Prize Pod location via ingredient rather than world. We can't expect readers to know the layout of our wiki in order to find information, so I think we should put a "see also" template at the top of the section. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:33, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
::Ooooooooh, that makes sense. What if we got rid of the world column on the ice cream article, and instead turned the ingredient names into anchored links to this article, so that you can click on the ingredient there to find where the prize pod is here?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Does the table still look cramped? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
:One thing I definitely wanted to get changed was splitting the ingredient list by character. Would it be possible to revise the table to a multi-cell entry format, similar to [[World Cards]], where instead of three columns for character, location, and ingredients, we had one cell with something like:
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|width="20%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''World'''
|width="80%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Location'''
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Dwarf Woodlands KHBBS.png|100px|link=Dwarf Woodlands]]<br>'''[[Dwarf Woodlands]]'''
|'''Terra — [[Underground Waterway]]'''<br>On top of the waterfall near the exit to the [[Courtyard]].<br>[[Gaspberry]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Nutty Nut]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|'''Ventus — [[The Mine]]'''<br>Lit, eastern{{?}} side of room, after defeating [[Monotrucker]]s and [[Red Hot Chili]]s.<br>[[Apple Pie]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Merry Dairy]]
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|'''Aqua — [[Flower Glade]]'''<br>West{{?}} of the path to the Courtyard.<br>[[Gaspberry]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Peach Fantasy]]
|}
This would make it easier to tell whether you have gotten all the ingredients from a world for the character you are playing as, and reduce having to hop back and forth between pages. Also, reduces the cramp just a little bit more.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
:The ingredients of a world are different for each character? Do we have a list of all these somewhere? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::I'm guessing the ingredients for the Ice Cream that activate the exclusive Command Styles are character-exclusive as well. If you want, I can give you the full list of ingredients by character tomorrow. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Here it is:
;Terra
*DW: Gaspberry, Nutty Nut
*CoD: Birthday Cake, Crystal Sugar
*ED: Bijou Bean, Rose Honey
*RG: Nebula Nectar, Rocket Soda, Soy Milk
*DT: Prickle Pepper, Toonbasco
*OC: Nutty Nut, Thundercracker
*DS: Bizarro Bean, Galactic Caramel
*NL: Dancing Lemon, Golden Jam, Whipped Dream
*MA: Dancing Lemon, Open Sesame
;Ventus
*DW: Apple Pie, Merry Dairy
*CoD: Chocolate Valentine, Wedding Cake
*ED: Cherryberry, Forest Muffin, Jumbo Almond
*RG: Moogle Coffee, Rocket Soda, Soy Milk
*DT: Prickle Pepper, Toonbasco
*OC: Cotton Cloudcandy, Thundercracker
*DS: Cream Fluff, Star Syrup
*NL: Dancing Lemon, Honeybunch, Rainbow Syrup
*MA: Dancing Lemon, Open Sesame
;Aqua
*DW: Gaspberry, Peach Fantasy
*CoD: Birthday Cake, Crystal Soda
*ED: Rose Honey, Sky Blue Mousse
*RG: Nebula Nectar, Rocket Soda, Soy Milk
*DT: Prickle Pepper, Toonbasco
*OC: Cotton Cloudcandy, Heroic Orange, Thundercracker
*DS: Balloon Melon, Cream Fluff, Fizzy Tizzy
*NL: Dancing Lemon, Mermaid Salt, Rainbow Syrup
*MA: Dancing Lemon, Open Sesame
:::These are taken from the BBS BradyGames guide. FM ingredients are missing, though. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::Everyone has the same FM ingredients in every world (there's only one, shared, new Ice Cream), so that can just be copied from the existing table.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::Is it readable the way I depicted it, with the name, then strategy, then ingredients? Should the strategy perhaps be moved into a separate column to the right, with the hard stats in their own column to the left (still in one cell)?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 class="sortable" style="background-color:#F0F8FF; text-align:center; font-size:90%" align="center" width=65%
|- bgcolor="#6495ED"
|width="20%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''World'''
|colspan="2" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Location'''
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|rowspan=3|[[File:Dwarf Woodlands KHBBS.png|100px|link=Dwarf Woodlands]]<br>'''[[Dwarf Woodlands]]'''
|width="40%"|'''Terra — [[Underground Waterway]]'''<br>[[Gaspberry]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Nutty Nut]]
|width="40%"|On top of the waterfall near the exit to the [[Courtyard]].
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|'''Ventus — [[The Mine]]'''<br>[[Apple Pie]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Merry Dairy]]
|Lit, eastern{{?}} side of room, after defeating [[Monotrucker]]s and [[Red Hot Chili]]s.
|-bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|'''Aqua — [[Flower Glade]]'''<br>[[Gaspberry]], [[Merry Mint]]{{FMBbS}}, [[Peach Fantasy]]
|West{{?}} of the path to the Courtyard.
|}
|}

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