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| :We use it until we get a render. Unless someone can clean up the image for us and extract the render... {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 01:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC) | | :We use it until we get a render. Unless someone can clean up the image for us and extract the render... {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 01:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| == The Possessor and the Thresholder should have two separate articles == | | == The Possessor and the Thresholder should have separate articles == |
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| Why are the Possessor and the Thresholder sharing one article? This article make it seem like ALL Possessors are connected to the Thresholder just because one Possessor possessed it. If the Possessor shall share an article with the Thresholder, shouldn't the Gargoyle Knights and the Gargoyle Warriors be included in this article too? Because you know, when you defeat a Gargoyle Knight or a Gargoyle Warrior a Possessor comes flying out of it. | | Why isn't it two separate articles for these two? This article make it seem like ALL Possessors are connected to the Thresholder just because one Possessor possessed it. If the Possessor shall share an article with the Thresholder, shouldn't the Gargoyle Knights and the Gargoyle Warriors be included in this article too? Because you know, when you defeat a Gargoyle Knight or a Gargoyle Warrior a Possessor comes flying out of it. |
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| Also, if the Possessor and the Thresholder shares one article, why doesn't the Guard Armor and the Opposite Armor do so too. They have at least a better reason to share one article than this has. The Guard Armor actually transforms into the Opposite Armor while the Possessor and the Thresholder are two different things, just like Terra and Master Xehanort. We don't see them sharing one article. Instead we see the possessed version (Terra-Xehanort) having an article of its own. | | Also, if the Possessor and the Thresholder shares one article, why doesn't the Guard Armor and the Opposite Armor to so too. They have at least a better reason to share one than this. The Guard Armor actually transforms into the Opposite Armor while the Possessor and the Thresholder are two different things just like Terra and Master Xehanort. We don't see them sharing the same article. Instead we see the possessed version having an article of its own. |
| Now you might say "But that's what we're doing here too". Actully, no, you're not. If this article were equal to the Terra-Xehanort article then Master Xehanort (the possessor of Terra) would have its '''main''' article to be fused inside the Terra-Xehanort article. Master Xehanort wouldn't have its own article. | | Now you might say "But that's what we're doing her too", then no. You're not. If this article were equal to the Terra-Xehanort article then Master Xehanort (the possessor of Terra) would have its '''main''' article to be fused inside the Terra-Xehanort article. Master Xehanort wouldn't have its own article. - [[User:JTD95|JTD]] 11:34, 4 June 2011 (EDT) |
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| The Possessor and the Thresholder sharing a boss battle is simply not a good enough reason to keep these two in one article. At least not in my opinion. - [[User:JTD95|JTD]] 11:34, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :I agree with JTD's proposal of a split. With the current logic of this article, then the Gargoyle Knight/Warrior would also have to be merged with this page. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 13:58, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
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| There was a [[Talk:Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn|similar]] discussion quite a while ago. Not exactly the same, but following a similar principle.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}14:11, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :I've read that discussion before, and if it hadn't been for that one, I probably wouldn't have started this one.
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| I can understand why the Shadow Stalker and the Dark Thorn share one article. Once you defeat the Shadow Stalker it transform into Dark Thorn. In other words, it evolved. It got a different shape, it got a different name, but is still the same (same thing goes for the Guard Armor and the Opposite Armor, but that's not point here).
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| However, with the Possessor and the Thresholder; they're not the same. The Thresholder is a door. The Possessor is a Heartless, and it doesn't exist only one single Possessor, but thousands of them. We've only seen one of them possessing the Thresholder. Some of the others possessed some Gargoyle Knights, some possessed the Gargoyle Warriors and some just flew around and attacked Roxas during Days.
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| Again, the Thresholder is a door and the Possessor is a Heartless. These two should be separated. - [[User:JTD95|JTD]] 14:43, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :I am in favor of the argument, but not the.... arguments. The Thresholder is a ''boss fight'' and the Possessor is an ''enemy''. The Possessor stopped being a direct boss fight when it was introduced in ''Days'', where you actually fight it. This article covers the boss fight well, but doesn't really cover the enemy itself; there is no strategy section for the ''Days'' Possessor. It is by this reasoning that I believe the articles should be separate. Give the Possessor its own page, because it certainly could use one. If not, then we should, as was stated above, merge the Gargoyle Night and Warrior with this article, because they are essentially the same thing as the Thresholder, albeit not having to fight the Possessor directly when you encounter the Night/Warrior.
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| :On an unrelated note, ''Christ'' I was immature back in the day. Obnoxious, too. How did you guys put up with me? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 15:02, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
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| ::The main problem here is that the Possessor and Thresholder fights are ''not'' distinct, not even as little as the Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn ones are, or any of the Organization boss fights. Hell, Tentaclaws are more distinct from the Leechgrave, and they're literally its arms. I agree that, if possible, separating the two due to the Possessor being a normal enemy in Days would be ideal, but like the Blizzard and Volcanic Lord, they are simply not disentanglable.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:29, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
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| Currently we are using the KH2 Possessor image. However, we do have a [[:File:Possessor KHD.png|Days]] version. Something wrong with the Days image?--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 00:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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| ==Possessor and "Servant of Darkness"==
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| So... I saw a lot of people that say that Possessor are inside the Gargoyle Warrior and Gargoyle Knight but this is never stated in ANY official sources, and you will say "But you can see them be 'released' after their death". But if someone look closely, the creature that exit from there is not the same creature that exit from Thresholder.
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| Taking a closer look, the creature that exit from the gargoyles don't have any spike or mouth, making him different from Possessor, and this creature can be seen in others occasion since are summoned like "pojectile" from Dark Thorn, Hydra and Number 10.
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| https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/khwita/images/c/c3/Servitore_Oscuro.png/revision/latest?cb=20181108210639&path-prefix=it
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| So... there is actually no source that confirm any true relationship between the Gargoyles and the Possessor at all since the creatue we see from the Gargoyles is a completly different one.
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| Just wanted to point out this.--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.33.104|93.41.33.104]] 15:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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