Editing Talk:Organization XIII

Shall we had new info on the Organization that was revealed in the Final Mix version.[[User:DarkLordofChaos90|DarkLordofChaos90]]

Yes. BTW, does anyone have the in-battle quotes from Re:COM?
:OMG, they are so hard to decipher,(even in KHII its hard to tell the quotes, and thats in English...) its not even funny. I got some of them down though, if you want them. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes please.[[User:CyberXIII|CyberXIII]] 00:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Heh, just as I realize I don't have it written down, but anyway, from memory....
:::Axel-Doushita, doushita? (what, what? (like taunt)) kiokusitaka? (Got it memorized?) honouniyakkarero! (burn in the flames!) madaowaranze (something about "its not over yet", or it means "its over", or something like that)oiyo, anatagakeshiteiru (I shall annihilate you) moete! (burn!)
:::Larxene- ikazutuyo (lightning)kienai (can't escape!) saigonina(here's the end(for you)!) waruiwane~(how pitiful...) ...kowastyauwa (I'll break you!(referance to the "Oh, I won't break the toy..."))
::I'll put the rest later, since I'm not sure if half of these are right anyway.... [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 03:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Xehanort's Heartless himself does not have an Org cloak in KH2. That is Riku in Xehanort's Heartless' form.

**i found a decent organization XIII myspace...
you guys should check it out..

http://www.myspace.com/ThirteenLostHearts


== Umm... ==

They don't wear hakama...  What the hell?  Where the hell did that come from?  Fix it.

== Suggestion ==

I noticed that in the trivia it mentions that Sora may have recovered his memories of the dead organization members by reading their graves. Couldn't it also be possible that he gained the infomation from Ansems computer? - Redlight11 16/2/09


Possible, but unlikely. Sora really doesn't use the computer exept to go to the Space Paranoids. I'm the one who put that in the trivia and I didn't think of that. I won't mind if you add it in there though. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

Added it and it was removed, that's a no then? -Redlight11

Guess so. iIt really wasn't likely at all. Sora rarely uses it and orobably barely knows how to use such a complex piece of machinary.
-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

== Organization Collage Picture ==

The current Collage Picture we have seems to be lacking somewhat in quality. I propose we use this image I made myself. [http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2392/organizationxiiicollagezz6.png Organization XIII Collage][[User:Bowser the Second|Bowser the Second]] 11:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, go with that. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 18:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== The Nobodies Heartless ==

If Xehanort had a special heartless AND a special Nobody, wouldn't the rest of Organization XIII too? Excluding Xion. 21:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Most probally, to keep a form it seems you need to have a strong heart & to willingly accept the darknes. Xehanort did and so his heartless kept its form (not becoming a shadow,darkside etc) and his nobody was born, chances are the apprentices, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus & Zexion gave there hearts willingly too so theres a strong chance there heartless do, but its unknown if the remaining members gave there hearts willingly or they just became corrupted so there heartless might have been a super powerful, but did not look like them. Ximodnic 17 Febuary 2009

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i think that the organizations problem is that they dont know what or where there heartless is because once they controled roxas if they knew who there heartless were, then they would just send him to kill that heartless so they could reclaim there heart. instead because they dont know who there heartless were they had to start killing as many as possible hopeing that one of them is going to be the right one.
--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 17:03, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

== Death ==

Just a thought I had, has anything official ever specifically said that any members of Organization XIII have died? It's been said that they've been "eliminated", or they've "met their end", with the most specific answer being they've "faded back into Darkness", but nothing has ever been said they aren't alive. But that brings up the fact that Nobodies aren't actually "alive" in the first place. I've narrowed it down to three possible answers: 1-I'm overthinking the whole thing and they all are dead. 2-Only Xemnes is alive because his element is Nothingness and could have used it to save himself. 3-All the members could still be alive somewhere because as Nobodies, they didn't have lives to loose in the first place. The most likely place they would be the Realm of Darkness, since they've faded back into Darkness. 
-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{TNE|text=True, for the fact that they haven't any lives to protect, we can't say they actually "died", did they ? I guess the words that befit this context are "eliminated" or "met their end".

About what you said of Xemnas being alive even as a Nobody - it sounds quite convincing. Take a look at how he disappeared, compared with the rest of the Organisation members. Xemnas disappeared twice (and he didn't disappear like Axel did in Re:Chain of Memories), and when he '''did''' disappear at the end... it was more dramatic than any other member's disappearance.}}

Yeah, but the dramatic disappearance was probably because he was the leader and final boss, but it could've been fake. I think he's still alive. He always said "I am Nothing" and Riku once said that Nothingness probably goes on forever. Also, that picture from Coded with Mickey, Donald, and Goofy looking at someone in one of those cloaks. They looked scared like it was an enemy, which rules out Riku. When I put it all together, it's really sounds true. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

xehanort's heartless was kept alive inside Riku (Chain of memories) so it is possible that Xenmas lives somehow. However I think that it's safe to say that we wont be seeing any of the members of the organization again. Their heartlesses however, remain to be seen. The phrase "eliminated" was used throughout the kingdon hearts games, mostly oin the journel, however it is used by a few of the organization members at some point.- [[User:Redlight11|Redlight11]] 22:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

If you guys have noticed whenever in Kingdom Hearts 2 you kill a nobody enemy they disappear in a flash of light, but all of the Organization XIII members disappear into darkness so maybe they still are alive.[[User:The Luna Diviner|The Luna Diviner]] 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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|text=Its interesting indeed, but I think their "deaths" was just more of the fate of all nobodies is to fade back into darkness since they don't truly exist since they're not beings of either light or dark. Which also explains their get up, its to protect themselves from going back into the darkness. So I think if all of their essence or health (whatever you prefer has been drained in battle, they would be doomed to fade back into the darkness. But that's just what I understand at least. So I honestly think they're gone, not dead physically, but spiritually probably.}}

{{TNE|text=@xNaminex : If I'm not mistaken, Xemnas isn't the only one to "die" like that. Axel did the same too.}}

{{NitrousX|text=What if they created replicas of themselves for their essence to return to.}}

{{The Luna Diviner|text=In a way I agree with Xemnas's line before the final battle, If Light and Darkness are eternal then Nothingness must be the same, Eternal.}}

{{Flashpenny | Remember what Yen Sid said about Nobodies: Heartless are the hearts, but Nobodies are the body and soul. So if you think about it the Organization are really nothing more than ghosts. They're spirits doomed to roam the worlds until they can become whole. Also I think the Darkness they fade back into is supposed to be synonomous with another cruel fate that one fades into after doing bad deeds (coughcoughEternalDamnationcoughcough).

Also do keep in mind that Xemnas '''harnesses''' nothing, he's not nothing itself. Nothingness itself existed long before he did. They said so just before the final battle:
Xemnas: "If Light and Darkness are eternal, then we nothings must be the same... eternal."
Riku: "You're right, Light and Darkness are eternal, Nothing probably goes on forever too. But guess what Xemnas?"
Sora: "That doesn't mean you're eternal."
Xemnas: "No more eternal than that radiance that is yours."
Riku and Sora pointed out that Xemnas really just harnesses nothing and Xemans admitted to it, so that rules out the possibility of him rising back from the dead.

As for Xemnas fooling them with his original disappearing act, that doesn't mean he's not dead. Remember that many of the Organization members who kicked the bucket probably would've done so anyway as they suffered very fatal wounds. Axel got engulfed in a blazing inferno, Vexen got immolated, Zexion got throttled, Lexaeus got his gut sliced open, Luxord got sliced in half and Xemnas got impaled by Sora on a beam of light (yes, that did kill him). Xemnas fooling Sora and Riku was just proving how powerful he truly is: he could fake it. The 2nd one however isn't fake since the army of Nobodies that appear afterwards immediately explode as a result of Xemnas' death.

Bottom-line: they're dead, deal with it.}}
{{KrytenKoro|If I am remembering correctly, when Nomura said that defeated Heartless return to the ether until reunited with their bodies, I think he said their Nobodies do the same too. So, the Nobodies in the Organization no longer exist - so for example, the personality that is Xigbar no longer is. But when the next reformat is, like when they destroyed End of the World, the defeated Nobodies and Heartless will be reformed as people if they can be. So, Braig can still be, since he hasn't actually "died" yet.}}

== The gravestone Theory ==

I decided to start playing the game again >_>. I just finished Hallow Bastion (The battle of 1000 heartless, etc) and noticed afterwards that the entries for the eliminated Organization XIII members appear in the journal. (Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia and Larxene) This is long before Sora reaches their gravestones in The World that Never Was. Does this not make the theory that Sora gained the information from that source impossible? - Redlight11

I suppose it does. But what event in the storyline would cause Sora to remember them? I restarted the game too, but i'm pretty far away from the war still. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

Hmm well.. Sora did meet Xenmas there, that could have triggered suppressed memories. Also, Sora went into "The relm of Darkness" where he found the picture. That could have triggered something. Or it could have just been that the creaters of the game thought that would be as good an oppertuinity as any to stick the entries in. - Redlight11

huh... probably a combination of the three. I'll change the trivia. Thank you for the info! -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]
No problem.

I've been replaying KH2 as well, and have been checking the journal for updates as many times as possible throughout the game.  I first noticed the other Org. 13 members' entries after the cutscene where you meet Sephiroth for the first time.  No idea why they would choose then to put them in, but I'm almost positive this is when it happens.  Though I suppose they could have also appeared after Mickey tells you that "Ansem" wasn't really Ansem, but I'm not sure.  Cheers.  --[[Special:Contributions/74.218.254.188|74.218.254.188]] 20:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


I got to the place where you fight saix and luxord (where all their graves are) and i noticed why doesnt Xion have a grave if she was somewhat apart of the organization? she ovisuly doesnt survive if she isnt in kingdom hearts II right? And even if somewhat at the end she goes back to her "former self" she still should have a grave like roxas right?

Spoilers -->       Wow, haven't been on here in a while!  Roxas "absorbs" Xion, making them into one being. Also, Xion wasen't truely a Nobody, so she didn't truely qualify as a member of the organization. -- Redlight11


OH MY GOD

WAIT Wait wait...I just thought of something: Roxas does not use two keyblades until after he defeats Xion and leaves the organization, but his tombstone thing has two keyblades.....Ooo the plot holes. --Black Tornado 



BEST THEORY EVER --Zack fair 007 23:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you trying to be funny..?

{{Flashpenny | Actually the names pop up after you kill the Dancers but before you fight Demyx. Remember that this is '''Jiminy's''' Journal. Sora probably only really remembers when he reads it. However I think the way they found out was the Space Paranoids. Remember that Xehanort put much of his data in the MCP and there was data floating all over the place. Perhaps Jiminy saw a few names on the ground or something and remembered what happened in Castle Oblivion.

What I want to know is how Zexion and Lexaeus winded up in the Journal. Sora never met them or knew they existed (I know Nobodies don't truly exist but you know what I mean). Hmmm...}}


I think that he found out about Zexion and Lexaeus ( and other members from KH: CoM )from Ansem's computer ( still why didn't he find anything about Xigbar, Axel, Luxord and Roxas ? ) - Jurrak

Maybe the developers just put the entries in there to inform new comers to the series or those who never played CoM what happened to the other five members of the Organization, so they wouldn't be like "OMG WTF? That wasn't 13! They lied! OMG!" and that Sora never remembered anything about them.

== Larxene's weapons ==

I was under the impression that Larxene's weapons were kunai, not throwing knives as listed in the article. Axel's weapons are listed as chakrams rather than throwing discs so why can't Larxene have her weapons called by their proper names too?


:Hello?
{{KrytenKoro|Because that's not their proper name. They look and are used nothing like kunai.

Nomura has officially named them knives, and they look and act like [[wikipedia:Stiletto knives|Stiletto knives]]. There's absolutely no reason to call them kunai, and we have official word that they're knives.}}

{{Xiggie|text=The only chance we'll change it is that is anything else is stated in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days}}



I hear somewhere that they were called "Shock Charms". But I can't remember where..- Redlight11
{{KrytenKoro|Shock Charm is their name, like Way to the Dawn is the name of Riku's Keyblade.}}

I never really understood that. It's named Way to the Dawn on the menu screen, but yet Riku says it is called Soulstealer.
"You don't need the power of darkness, or my weapon soulstealer yet".

{{KrytenKoro|Soul Eater. Soul Eater is the name of his sword before it becomes a Keyblade.}}

== Fading ==

i know this sounds silly, but since the nobodies are not beings of either light or dark, then why do they fade into the ''darkness''?

{{Xiggie|text=I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it has something to do with the fact that to become a nobody, you need to become a Heartless/lose your heart and that is a process of Darkness...

...I think I read somewhere that the body and soul fades into the darkness to "reunite" with it's heart or something...}}
{{KrytenKoro|I forget where it was explained (maybe in the Director's Report), but when a Nobody is "killed", the body and soul it contains dissipate in order to reunite with the original heart. If that heart is still a Heartless, the body and soul are just kind of "in the ether", though I suppose Nomura might write it that they just return to being a Nobody. Basically, as long as Sora doesn't kill full people, he could nuke every single Heartless and Nobody and the world would go back to the way it was before.}}


I have my own personal therioes about this. It's alot of speculation into the actual biology of KH (theroy in quotes) "Heartless and Nobodies aren't natural, they were created... albeit accidently. If a creature like a Nobody is defeated, I beleive that they fade into the Realm of Darkness and not into non-existance. Unless they die a natural death, they will continue to live in some from. Similar to the way the Veil Lizard Xion attempted to defeat without her keyblade. It continued to apper to her because the heart wasn't released. But would it and other Emblem Heartless apper again? Possibly"  It's a little farfetched, but I think that the Organization might still be alive in the Dark Realm. - Hyperwire_2.0

==Job Classes==
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|text=Just hypothesising, but what do we reckon the corresponding Job Classes are for those not yet known? The ones in italics are my personal theories:
*Xemnas -- [[wikipedia:Jedi|<font color="white">'''Jedi'''</font>]], judging by his weapon (I'm kidding :P)
*Xigbar -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Gunner|<font color="white">'''Gunner'''</font>]] or [[w:c:finalfantasy:Sniper|<font color="white">'''Sniper'''</font>]]
*Xaldin -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Dragoon|<font color="white">'''Dragoon'''</font>]]
*Vexen -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Alchemist|<font color="white">'''''Alchemist?'''''</font>]]
*Lexaeus -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Warrior|<font color="white">'''''Warrior?'''''</font>]]
*Zexion -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Blue Mage|<font color="white">'''Blue Mage'''</font>]]
*Saïx -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Berserker (Job)|<font color="white">'''Berserker'''</font>]]
*Axel -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Assassin (Job)|<font color="white">'''Assassin'''</font>]]
*Demyx -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Bard|<font color="white">'''Bard'''</font>]]
*Luxord -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Gambler|<font color="white">'''Gambler'''</font>]] (and, to a certain extent, [[w:c:finalfantasy:Time Mage|<font color="white">'''''Time Mage?'''''</font>]])
*Marluxia -- ???
*Larxene -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Ninja (Job)|<font color="white">'''''Ninja?'''''</font>]]
*Roxas -- [[w:c:finalfantasy:Samurai|<font color="white">'''Samurai'''</font>]]
*Xion -- ???
I presume that the corresponding lesser Nobodies will usually have the same name as the job class, since this is the case so far apart from Dancers (and possibly Sorcerers, depending on what Xemnas is classed as)
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{{KrytenKoro|
#Red Mage/Onion Knight (who start with nothing but are more powerful than anything)
#Sniper
#Dragoon
#Defender
#Viking
#Berserker
#Assassin
#Bard
#Gambler/Time Mage
#Necromancer (FFV for GBA)
#Monk
#Samurai
#Darklord
}}

You forgot Zexion, whom I'm going to guess is Blue Mage.  [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC) No name yet

==Weapon references==
I've probably noticed only a minute amount of references that the weapons have based on their names but I'm sure others can find 'em.

Such as one of Saix's weapons, Lightyear, may be named after Buzz Lightyear, or Zexion's joke weapon could be a reference to Zexion's cooking talents. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== When Did Xion Fall? ==

{{XNamineX|text=For the ''Ultimat Fate'' section, in what place was Xion disappear? I'm pretty sure she fell sixth, after the Catsle Oblivion inncident and before Sora wakes up. I don't want to read the spoilers because I want to play the game itself first, can anyone confirm sixth place for me please?}}

She did indeed fall sixth, after Zexion and before Roxas. [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I can't belive I still don't have a name yet

== Hey did anyone ever notice . . . ==
{{PrincessAndie|text= Hey guys! Did anyone here ever notice how similar this place is to Organization XIII? Here are the familarities i've picked up

1. Admins rule the site. Xemnas and the other older members control the Organization.

2. Older members of the wiki greet newer members and help them make talk bubbles. Older Organization members greet new members and give them their names.

3. Members often become best friends with the members that greet them. Organization members often become friends with other members they get paired with.

Does anyone else see how close these are?}}
{{TNE|text=And the next thing we know, is that this wiki is going to be redecorated in celebration of ''Days''. See [[User:Azul81677/Main Page]].}}


You forgot that both editors and nobodies feel nothing...I'M SO EMPTY INSIDE! [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I'm like the lesser nobodies that don't have individual names

{{PrincessAndie|text= * angerly * HEY EDITORS DO FEEL THINGS! WE LAUGH, CRY, AND GET MAD LIKE I AM NOW!!!!!! I guess visitors are sort of like the lesser nobodies, but not really, cuz you feel things, unlike nobodies.}}

i think riku is a nobody

Nope, not a visitor anymore. Yay, I've decided to sacrifice my life to this place...
And ''I'' think that Squall, Auron and Cloud are all secret lovers. Totally. [[User:Keyblade Mage|Keyblade Mage]] 12:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

{{JudgmentDay95|time=15:47 18 September 2009 (UTC)|text=Another interesting thing to notice is that the Nobodies share many similarities with the Homonculi from Fullmetal Alchemist. Examples:

1. Both the Homonculi and the Nobodies are not complete beings (Homonculi lack a soul, and Nobodies lack a heart).

2. Both have access to unique powers and hardly show signs of aging.

3. In addition, both are led by a higher power. The Homonculi are led by Father (or Dante in the original anime) and the Nobodies are led by Xemnas.

4. Finally, both the Homonculi and the Nobodies (or at least the Organization and Naminé) look similar to how they appeared as humans, with some minor differences.}}

Well, I might as well throw in my two cents. Their seating in WNG is the same as the Gotei 13 Captain's positions in Bleach. Plus it's the ''number 13''. Anyone want to build on that? [[User:Maggosh|Maggosh]] 01:04, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|OMG!! Thar R totly 13 Knights of the Round Table and 12 Apostles + Jesus = 13!!!}}

Heres another thing that i noticed and i didnt see it in the info on them but everyone in the organization Has the letter X in there name kinda strange--[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 23:59, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not. They have an "X" in their name to remind themselves that they are Nobodies. Everyone knows that.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:01, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Then why dosen't Namine have an X in her name she a nobody smart one --[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 03:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Probably because the Organization didn't know that she was Kairi's Nobody at the time. Or maybe it's because Namine is a specail Nobody.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

== 358/2 Days Opening ==

Should that be put here? It introduces all the XIII members, so i assumed you could watch it for info. Probably not, but it would still be good to see it up here![[User:CaptainLarryDuck|CaptainLarryDuck]] 09:53, November 5, 2009 (UTC)