Editing Talk:Neku Sakuraba

==Death==
{{Uxie|time=11:23, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text=That's odd. Death does not exist? But Barbossa, Hades and even Master Xehanort mention that word or something similar.

EDIT: Well, if there is no such thing as death, that will mean that dead characters might come back, right? I hope so for Barbossa, but we should talk about this on a forum. The mainpage page is about Neku, y'know.}}

{{TalkSephiroth0812|time=11:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text= I think it was once mentioned in one of the Ansem Reports or Secret Ansem Reports that when you separate body and soul then there's "death". Still, death in the sense we westerners think of it doesn't exist, as the heart and/or mind somehow remains and only gets to "sleep" and as long as this heart/mind is still connected to a living one => like TAV, Ansem the Wise etc. they can be "born anew from sleep" like said in Blank Points.}}
{{TNE|time=11:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|blahtext=That'll support characters like ASOD and Xemnas, but not Barbossa or Clayton who literally die, for example. Major plot hole again, Nomura.}}

{{Uxie|time=11:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|luna=There has to be some sort of afterlife. Even something similar to Aslan's Country in the Narnia series is good enough for me, y'know. Good characters (eg: Terra, Ventus) go there; evil characters (eg: Ursula, Scar, Lady Tremaine and her daughters) go to a place similar to Hell.}}

{{17m|text2= I think Barbossa said "undead", Hades is the "Lord of the Dead" and brings back Auron from the dead (yes, he used that term), as for Master Xehanort he said "'χ'... A most ancient letter. Some say 'kye,' but the meaning is the same. Death... A letter that spells endings."

Well okay death does exist in the game but in the universe it's not. Besides, in TWEWY Neku and the other participants are already dead and only their existence are left, and thus making the Game the only way to get back into the world of living. Otherwise their existence will be erased and they, well, ceased to exist.

EDIT: Ventus and Terra are NOT dead. And as for Ursula etc. I think they died, yes, but in their own universe, Disney universe, not Kingdom Hearts'.}}

{{TalkSephiroth0812|time=11:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text=Pretty much seen with Auron, yup. Although I would it rather interpret as such that guys like Barbossa or Clayton just aren't deeply enough connected to a still living heart. Also, Maleficent also made a rather quirky comeback, lol.
People like Terra and Ventus are rumored to return fully though, also they didn't really ''die'' per se. However, going out from Blank Points where all those saying Sora's name and maybe even a possible return of Xemnas and Ansem SoD, who knows what'll happen?}}
{{TNE|time=11:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text=Look back at the journals: they always consider a change of circumstances for the people with the strongest hearts. So something uncanny is ''bound'' to happen to the main characters because of their extraordinary strength of heart.}}

{{TalkSephiroth0812|time=11:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text= Makes the whole thing even more intriguing...seems really like Nomura didn't invent all those original characters just to let them disappear, there will be more to it...especially with the main focus of DDD apparently on that data of Ansem the Wise. }}
{{KrytenKoro|We really need to find the source for this whole "no death" thing, especially with the term being used within the scripts themselves.}}
{{TNE|time=15:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|shocktext=I'm almost certain that it can be found within Director's Secret Report XIII.

Which of course, leads to another direct contradiction between DSRXIII and Barbossa's, Clayton's and Xehanort's words.}}

{{TalkSephiroth0812|time=15:32, 15 September 2011 (UTC)|text=I found the main Nomura-interview in the BBS-Ultimania where he spoke of that, however, of course I can't guarantee for translation Errors:

-- Ansem the Wise says to Aqua “Everything is born from sleep.” What does this mean?

Nomura : In that scene the ones who are calling for “Sora” are the ones who have already disappeared from the world. '''But in the world of KH there is no concept of death, that for example they are just sleeping within Sora’s heart. If you can just wake them up, they’ll be able to return to the world, they would be “born from sleep”.''' That there would be a possibility of this, is what Ansem the Wise is saying. Even Aqua, who isn’t in the realm of light, would be born from sleep.

-- In that case, do the characters we see in that scene have a chance of returning?

Nomura : Yes. The data that Ansem has hidden within Sora is the secret to that revival. When Ansem had become DiZ, and studied the heart and emotions, the results he found he hid within Sora. There are a lot of people who thought that Coded was about finding those results, but that’s not true. The ending of Coded was about finding out that DiZ had done something to Sora, as Namine said, finding out about the data that Ansem hid. What that data is will be revealed in the next game. Two more games aside from KHIII are in the works. 
--- 
The second part is of curious interest because DDD is said to be mainly about Ansem's data, which was already more or less stated by Nomura back when the BBS Ultimania came out.
I got it from the interview archive at http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/159545-nomura-interviews-archive.html }}

Personally, I choose to interpret "in the world of KH there is no concept of death" to only apply where the Heartless or the Keyblade are concerned/involved. (Unless Nomura means "death" as "cessation of existence" here, else the Underworld, Mufasa's death, and any others I'm forgetting would make no sense.)  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I'm confused. If there is no death, then what has happened to the slain villains? I know that Lady Tremaine and her daughters would have become Heartless by now, thanks to their hearts being almost-100% darkness, but for everyone else? [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 15:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

::It may be confusing now, but always remember we don't have the full picture yet. There are holes left which I begin to suspect are intentional. A "cessation of existence" may indeed not be possible as Hades apparently could summon any "dead" being he wanted. Uxie, most of the slain villains can apparently brought back if you know th exact way ''how'' and have enough power, as seen with Ursula, Maleficent or Oogie Boogie as an example. The things that we are missing is simply the explanations for that. {{User:Sephiroth0812/Autosig}}
::Okay, GREAT. We definitely need to post that quote as a citation on the Universe page.
::The way I'm interpreting it, it basically means that there is no complete death. Everything can be brought back, even if it was organically "dead", like the pirates or Auron. It might be in general, or just for these specific characters, but Sora can also revive the disappeared by waking them from his heart. Basically, Nomura is trying to say that in KH there is no concept of total, final death, cessation of existence, as there is in our world -- instead, its basically D&D Death, which is only mildly more irritating than a broken limb.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

== Pre-release ==

Are we quite absolutely certain that this article should be up already? Don't we all remember the mess with Eraqus and the others before BbS was released?

I don't think we should be posting any articles on new characters until they are given a commitment to being in the release, like being in the Famitsu issues. That was our standard last time -- getting special coverage in the magazines counted as commitment, appearing in a trailer or demo did not. I'm really, really uncomfortable with us setting up whole pages for cameo characters the second we get a whiff of them, and I had thought we had all learned from that last time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:For starters, Neku is a main character. We could've done the same for Quasimodo, but we didn't. We had trouble with the supporting characters and often had to remove the page for Jaq — I, for one, have made sure this did not happen again. But with Neku? First of all, we wonder where that scan and all the other KH3D scans actually came from. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 15:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
#How do we know he is a main character? Have SE made that announcement ''themselves''?
#How does that change anything? Why are we setting up half-empty pages for characters that we've only seen one cutscene of? Why are not staying faithful to our verifiability and reliability policies?
#What happened to us agreeing to keep any ''necessary'' updates on the game's own page until release, when can actually do any of this responsibly?
#What happened to us all remembering that this is '''''not a news site''''', it's an Encyclopedia?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

As always, the point is this: by posting this page, we are trying to extrapolate meaning and make guesses based on ''one instant'' of a character's story. For all we know, this cutscene could be the least meaningful part of the character's plot, and yet the page is going to remain defined by our initial impressions here, like always ends up doing. Instead of us being patient and making informed decisions in how we write the page, we're grabbing at scraps. Even worse, we are relying on trailers and demos, which almost by definition are preliminary and subject to change.

Then there's just the question of, why is it so damn important to have the article published in the mainspace "NOW"? Why can't it remain as a draft in the userspace until it, I don't know, has any measure of reliability or usefulness?

I just don't get why every time we start getting info about a game, we have to go through this whole song and dance before we get made to look foolish by posting trivial or false things, when we could just ''be patient'' and wait until we can do this wisely. It's not like there's any kind of dearth for other stuff to work on in the mean time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I bear in mind that we don't put speculation in — we simply put in what's there. A standard cameo FF character would still have a page longer than this. Like it or not, when we put the page up, it'll be a stub until someone edits it and makes it complete. If there's been any speculation on the page whatsoever, or unsourced information, please edit as you see fit. That screen should have enough translations to get it running, but I'll respect it if you don't wish for the page to be up. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 15:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, there is no explicitly unsourceable bits on the page yet. However, the concept I am referring to is how what we have may ''not'' be representative of his character as a whole, but by putting it up in this manner, the page will be built as if it ''is'' the defining trait of his character.
:I guess, what do the admins think, then?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I've no idea. True that we can't focus entirely on what we have, though. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 16:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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 ::Okay, GREAT. We definitely need to post that quote as a citation on the Universe page.
 ::The way I'm interpreting it, it basically means that there is no complete death. Everything can be brought back, even if it was organically "dead", like the pirates or Auron. It might be in general, or just for these specific characters, but Sora can also revive the disappeared by waking them from his heart. Basically, Nomura is trying to say that in KH there is no concept of total, final death, cessation of existence, as there is in our world -- instead, its basically D&D Death, which is only mildly more irritating than a broken limb.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
-:Does this mean that there is someone that would have lived for millions of years in this series? I beleave that, once a person is ready to "move on", they go to an afterlife-like place similar to Aslan's Country (from the Narnia series), and return when they have to? If death does not exist, then that's the only place left to go once they "die". [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 07:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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 :I guess, what do the admins think, then?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 I've no idea. True that we can't focus entirely on what we have, though. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 16:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
-== Recent deletion and point of order ==
-This page was deleted because it turned out it was plagiarized from The Keyhole. It needs to be written from scratch, relying ''only'' on the published info, and not on other fansites or interpretations.
-Also: Has anything actually confirmed that the character is named Neku in KH3D?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
-:It appears our only confirmation is a small image which shows from his shoulders up.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 02:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
-::That's pretty bad, then.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
-==LEAD SENTICE==
-Please change to:
-{{-}}
-Neku is a character appearing in the upcoming game ''[[Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance]]''.
-'''This part should be changed to <nowiki>==Story==</nowiki>'''
-Sora encounters Neko while looking for Riku. Neku then asks Sora if he will help him in the Reaper's Game. After talking to Sora, he leaves, followed by Sora at a fast pace.
-{{The Inexistentsig}} 02:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
-::That's a bit too much to ask for when the stupid article's protected. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 09:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
-==Publish==
-{{Chitalian8|time=13:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)|neku= So can we publish As if's Neku article yet?}}
-I think it should be.  If an admin doesn't by the end of tonight, I will, using my backwards methods.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 22:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
-==The==
-{{KrytenKoro|The page looks perfect. The only issue I can think of is that, last time I asked, I was told we had no actual source for the character being named "Neku" within KH3D. If you can provide a source for his name, it would be fine to publish. The source could probably be used to cite the "appears in KH3D" bit as well.}}
-http://kh13.com/forum/topic/23254-synopsis-of-extended-kingdom-hearts-3d-trailer/
-Looks like we're moving the article to Neku Sakuraba. --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 17:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
-{{Chitalian8|time=18:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)|neku=I'd say keep it as Neku for now, but still refer to his full name in the article. We've never really had a case of a character with a last name, except for Leon. I'd say wait 'till we can see Neku's journal entry. EDIT: Also, since As if's source gives us a name, we should probably go through with publishing the page now.}}
-{{Asif|shonormal= I dunno, Chitalian. Neku expressly addresses himself with his full name, and we've typically given character articles the names the characters themselves refer to themselves by; that is why Leon's article is not called "Squall Leonhart". Since Neku chooses to refer to himself by full name, that is what I believe the article should be named.}}
-{{Chitalian8|time=19:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)|nekutalk= I thought we named characters based on their journal entries, but I'm fine with either name.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|[[Mickey Mouse]], [[Donald Duck]]. If we have a full name for a character, that needs to be the article title.
-Leon's case is a bit odd. We might want to take it back up for discussion, but my impression was that he had renamed himself, similar to [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]] or [[DiZ]] (prior to the end of KHII).}}
-{{KrytenKoro|Mmm... the article now has a problem. I can definitely hear the "Sakuraba Neku" bit, that part is fine, but now we're relying on translations of the audio from a fansite? There's absolutely no way for us to verify that the translation is accurate, as the audio and the text are impossible to make out. If we want to publish the article, we have to reduce the story synopsis to what is absolutely verifiable—otherwise, it needs to stay here.}}
-{{Asif|sho=[http://www.ff-reunion.net/kh/2011/09/17/tgs_kh3d_play_demo_impresson Here]. This is the original text; if you can translate it for us and verify it, then the information stays. If not, I'll take the information out.}}
-{{17m|time=12:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)|text= I thought I'll just put it here, just in case. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvNgouXG4k KH3D's TGS 2011 Trailer HD] clear audio, and Braig's dialogue can be read. Also, those two lying on the floor might be Ienzo and Even}}
-:Yeah, that translation seems to be accurate. Go ahead and use it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
-{{Chitalian8|time=22:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|neku= So is the article ready for publishing?}}
-== Shiki? ==
-According to [http://sqex.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/kh3d-famitsu-details/ SQEXGAL's translation of the Famitsu article], Nomura hinted to Shiki, Neku's partner, appearing (or at least being referred to) at some point.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
-{{Chitalian8|time=02:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|nekutalk= Meh, Neku's enough of a cameo for me. I'd prefer to see Joshua.}}
-== Neku introducing himself ==
-No one noticed that it is somewhat similar to what happened in TWEWY? For reference:
-'''Shiki:''' ''"How, for the last time... Tell me your name."''<br>
-'''Neku:''' ''"...... Neku. Neku Sakuraba."''<br>
-'''Shiki:''' ''"Neku, huh? Cute name."''<br>
-'''Neku (thinks):''' ''"Shut up."''
-I find it awfully similar to what happens at the end of the trailer, although it might be just my paranoia acting up. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 09:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
-Sorry if I'm not allowed to "up" it, but I'm really curious. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 10:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
-:It sounds interesting, but I think it's too tenuous to put on the page, especially since it relies on a trailer. Let's see what the final script is, maybe that will match TWEWY more.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
-== Twister ==
-It is just me or the Twister played during that video is the [http://twewy.wikia.com/wiki/(CD)_Track_21 remix] not the [http://twewy.wikia.com/wiki/(CD)_Track_26 original version] --{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}21:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
-:You're right, fixed. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
-== Voice Actor ==
-{{Chitalian8|time=02:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)|neku= I'm guessing [http://i.imgur.com/PyS8V.jpg this] isn't a good enough source for a VA?}}
-{{Asif|sho=I wouldn't say so yet. Remember, we noted that Jesse McCartney was doing voice acting for a Kingdom Hearts game, but didn't mention what role or game (it was obviously BBS and Ventus) until it was officially announced. We could say something similar in this case, but no definite statements can be made as of yet.}}
-{{NinjaSheik|text=I read something similar to that at [http://www.khinsider.com/ KHInsider], but I don't know it's valid enough to count as a source. The people think it's most likely. But yeah, we should wait.}}
-== Neku vs. Neku Sakuraba ==
-English credits list him only as "Neku". What shall we do about the article title? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 04:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
-:Neku calls himself by his full name in-game...pretty early on too. Not sure how you missed that, unless you skipped cutscenes. [[User:Ultima Spark|Ultima Spark]] ([[User talk:Ultima Spark|talk]]) 07:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
-::Or missed the trailer... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 12:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
-:::I did not miss either, thank you very much. But cutscenes are a very unreliable and poor basis for article titles. Just look at [[Xehanort]] and tell me that works out well. I know he was called by his full name in early magazine scans, but the Journal trumps magazines in my opinion, so I'd like to push for the move to "Neku". - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 14:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)