Editing Talk:Naminé

How come namine has no trivia?
{{ILHI|16:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)|Because there is no trivia}}


== Birthplace ==
{{KKD|time=02:20, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|roxas=Namine's page states that she was born in Castle Oblivion. Technically, she was born in Hollow Bastion (When Sora Stabbed himself). Should we change that?}}

{{R&D|time=02:43, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=He did stabbe hinself on HB but she was born on Castle Oblivion. Like Roxas was born on Twilight Town}}

== her memory ==

where does it say she dint have any of kairis memorys?

Because she doesn't. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Well Naminé was born from Kairi's heart while it was released from Sora's body. Because Kairi existed beside her she couldn't have been born with Kairi's memories. [[User:BozPity|BozPity]]

== ...Nobody? Wrong! ==
In chains of memories, she says she is Kairi's heartless. Also, it is implied that Zion from the new DS game is going to be kairi's nobody, so obviously Namine is the heartless. She has also displayed heartless properties, such as emotions (which nobodies are NOT suppose to have) and a lack of concern for others (to begin with, such as tampering with sora's memories).

:Uh... she doesn't say that. You can check the script. Axel also told Roxas that Roxas has emotions unlike Axel or Namine. They're just pretending to have emotions. Furthermore, she's missing the heartless emblem, which even Xehanort's heartless has, and she lacks the form of a pureblood heartless. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 01:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Although this would explain Xion, I don't think so. She says that she is her shadow, not her heartless. Shadow meaning just a part of Kairi. And she did show concern, and regret, for what she did to Sora. On the other hand, I have to point out that naturally formed heartless don't have that symbol. [[User:Rock2060|Rock2060]] 14:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It says in the secret ansem reports that she is Kairi's nobody. [[User:Ultima The High Seraph|<span style="color:#4B0082 ;">'''Philip'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ultima The High Seraph|<span style="color:#8B008B  ;">'''Mccann'''</span>]] 18:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Xion is made up of Sora's memories and she only looks like Kairi because she is reflecting Sora's strongest feelings. Other than that, she really has no connection to Kairi at all, Namine is Kairi's nobody. Xion is a puppet of Sora's memories.

{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 06:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)|auron2= It's kinda hard for a Princess of Heart, someone who has no darkness in their heart, to have a Heartless. Actually, no it's just impossible.}}

== Abilitie ==

In Chain of Memories Reverse/Rebirth It is mentioned that she could have "locked" Riku's heart and keep Xehanort in
apparently making him sleep and causing him to lose his memories of darkness, should be in article

== Re:... Nobody? Wrong! ==
Namine does not specify that she is Kairi's Heartless. She merely says (In both the GBA and PS2 Versions of CoM) that she is Kairi's Shadow. This could very well mean she is either heartless or nobody, or something completely different altogether.
Also remember that because Sora has the power of light, Roxas has the power of light.
If Namine has power over memories, where did Kairi get this power? Much will need to be explained about this enigma, but with the little information given, we can not find out at the time. [[User:Lt.Haven|Lt.Haven]] 20:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

{{Xiggie|text=OK, first off, in the [[Secret Ansem Reports]] it is said that Naminé is Kairi's Nobody! It is true that Roxas has his Light Ability because Sora did '''BUT''' Naminé's powers don't come from Kairi! Naminé has the power to manipulate '''Sora's''' memories and of those around him (his friends), she has this power because Kairi's heart was in Sora's body for quite some time, then when Sora freed his and Kairi's heart, Naminé was born with her powers!}}

== I Wonder.... ==

if namine can use a keyblade, i wonder wich one she would use.....

(First of all, please spell her name right, with "é" not "e".) I think Naminé's keyblade is [[Oathkeeper]] because....

1.) At the end of Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories, Naminé turns Kairi's good luck charm (the keychain of Oathkeeper)into a paupo fruit trinket. That trinket is quite possibley the keychain of [[Kairi's Keyblade]]. If it is, her keyblade and Oathkeeper are counterparts, like Naminé and Kairi.

2.) The Oathkeeper represents the bond between Sora and Kairi, and Naminé, being born from Sora's body using Kairi's heart, is, in fact, Sora and Kairi.

...And all the fact and theories aside, it even looks like it would be her's.


{{Yuffie Kisaragi|blah=Not everybody can make the é mine luckily can but my sisters can't. back on topic, i think possibly oathkeeper or maybe some new keyblade}}

== Aging? ==

{{Template:XNamineX|text=I'm not sure if the trivia about Naminé aging should appear in the article. It's very possible the game creators just slightly changed her body shape so that she looked more like Kairi in the second game, not because she aged. Also, if that's true, Roxas would've aged too because he's young enough for aging to be visible and/or because his "somebody" aged like Kairi, wich doesn't seem true based on the screene-shots for 358/2 Days. Any comments?}}

{{Xiggie|text=eh, in KHII, Naminé seems taller and... eh... a little bit more adult. However, it is true, Roxas doesn't seem to age from KHI to KHII!}}

I don't think Naminé can age because she's a nobody, and all of the other nobodies stay the same age. I think they're just trying to make her look like Kairi. [[User:Nitrous X|Nitrous X]] 21:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

{{NinjaSheik|text=You guys, you have to remember that Naminé is a special Nobody. Anything could happened to her. And as for Roxas, if you look closely at his face in KHI, you can tell his a little bit younger than he was in KHII.}}

== ...Nobody? Maybe. ==

Xion could be Aqua's Nobody. Xion is a Nobody, and there is no room for another Nobody of Kairi (will be proven below). Aqua, however, appears to be similar to Kairi in several aspects, and Xemnas was talking to Aqua in the Room of Sleep, so with Kairi out of the loop, Aqua is left, and it all fits. But I will avoid excessive speculation and wait until 358/2 comes out.

Promised Proof: Namine stated merely that she was Kairi's "shadow". I don't think she ever said she was a "heartless". Which would be impossible, by the way, since Kairi is a Princess of Heart, and cannot ever turn into a Heartless.
:The Secret Ansem Reports claim that Namine is merely the soul of Kairi, as her heart was with Sora and her body was left behind. Or maybe, not even that.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 19:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

No the Secret ansem reports say that she was created using sora's body and soul.
:As a medium, yes, but she doesn't seem to have kept them. At best, she has a small fraction of his body and soul, as enough was left with Kairi for him to resume human form, and Roxas has enough to seem like a full Nobody.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 19:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:XNamineX|text=Naimné has to be a Nobody. Let's break it down............... She fused with Kairi at the end of KHII, proving she's ''some'' part of Kairi. As of right now that means she could only be three things: 1-Heartless, wrong, Kairi can't create a Heartless for obvious reasons. 2-Unbirth, possible but unlikely, if she's an Unbirth then were's Sora's? also, you'd have to play BBS and 358/2 Days to make that conclusion. 3-Nobody, most likely, she was created with Roxas, DiZ has implied she was a Nobody and she herself once said "I always thought Nobodies were doomed to fade back into Darkness" and then Roxas said "but '''we''' didn't" meaning even Roxas believes She's a Nobody. If she isn't a Nobody, what else could she be? Unless they're gonna add yet another race to the bunch, which is sevrely unlikely.}}
:Oh, no doubt she's a Nobody, that much is explicit. It's just that both bodies she could have been using are already quite in use - she may have a very small fraction of Sora and Kairi's body (so she's more their Nobody child, I guess...), but DiZ explains that this is why her existence is so much more fragile than other Nobodies.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 04:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:XNamineX|text=She doesn't have any of Kairi's body. Kairi's body was right there when Sora stabbed himself with the Dark Keyblade, creating Roxas and Naminé. It's true that Naminé is sort of Sora and Kairi's "Nobody child". It's like this: When Sora stabbed himself, his body created two Nobodies his heart was what made Roxas, while Kairi's heart created Naminé. Then, kairi's heart went back into her body, making her whole, while Sora's heart, because it had Darkness in it, became a Heartless. After Sora's Heartless found Kairi, she realized it was his and somehow gave him his humanity back though Roxas and Naminé still continued to exist. In is unknown how she did this. **facts end here, this is my theory**  I think that between Heart, Body, and Soul, Heart is somehow stronger than the other two. This would explain how Sora, Roxas, and Naminé all had bodies, Kairi used her heart to somehow create another body and soul for Sora. My theory is also backed up by Naminé and Roxas' birth, the faact that two heart were released overpowers the fact that they both came from the same body, thus creating two Nobodies from one body and soul. The point is Naminé can be looked at as Sora and Kairi's "Nobody child" because she ''is'' Sora and Kairi; Sora's body was formed into Naminé by Kairi''s heart.}}

Maybe Xion is rare and was formed without a person losing their heart, that would explain the fact that her name could be moved around to be "No I"--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart]] 16:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

==We need a personality section !==

{{troisnyxetienne|text=The trivia section has gone out of hand, again. A lot of the info there is about Naminé's personality and her ability to feel. Think we should create a personality section for Naminé, just like we did for the other main characters ? That should help reduce the size of the trivia section.}}

{{Template:XNamineX|text=There. I all the trivia about Naminé's emotions and made a completely new section called ''Special Nobody.'' You can change the name, I just didn't know what else to put.}}


{{troisnyxetienne|text=Special Nobody sounds okay... I mean, she '''is''' one.}}

==Voodoo?==
In the manga and Chain of Memories there is that doll in the cage right? I think the Organization captured her and that is a voodoo doll to keep her from escaping.--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart]] 16:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=We wonder......}}

== i wonder to... ==


i wonder if namine is ever going to date sori becuase i looked on all those pictures on google.com and there was a lot of pictures of sora and namine...... i wish they can date even though roxas is inside of sora


fan art most likely. Nomura paired all the characters up already (Kairi-Sora; Naminé-Roxas), so we have no right to say who goes with who. [[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 02:37, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

==Well, if Kairi could...==
Becasue Kairi could weild a keyblade, does that mean Namine can, too?--[[User:Xepscern|Xepscern]] 11:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

{{XNX|text=Really, the only reason Kairi ever used that Keyblade was because Riku let her. Riku was Duel-Wielding and allowed Kairi to use one of his Keyblades. SO I guess if someone ever allowed Naminé to use a Keyblade, she could, but it would be because of Kairi. I always thought it would e AMAZING to see Roxas and Naminé fight off Heartless with the Oblivion and Oathkeeper, bit that's just me.}}



==Namine and Roxas==

I think about this a lot...since Sora and kairi love each other, doesn't that mean Namine and Roxas do too?? [[User:Ninabean822]]
{{EO||text=This isn't true. Nobodies don't possess hearts, thus, they cannot love. While Roxas and Naminé have something like a heart because of their strange births, Love is something they cannot feel becasue of who and what they are...}}

oo right....forgot about tht...but u no...on occasion...Namine does show some emotion at times....so does axel. [[User:Ninabean822]]

and don't forget roxas a example of roxas' showing emotion would be xion's death--Firaga44 05:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

{{NitrousX|text=They may not have hearts but they can still feel emotion, as seen throughout the series. I think they make a great couple!}}

==Aging==
Nomura stated that Nobodies don't age. Naminé is evidently an exception. [http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/130181-latest-famitsu-interview-tetsuya-nomura.html "Nobodies don’t age; they exist as they were at the time of becoming a Nobody."] [[User:Plackers|Plackers]] 11:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
{{EO||talktext=Naminé is an exception to this rule because of her strange birth. So is Roxas, for that matter.}}

== Naminé is a real nobody  ==

Naminé is a real nobody because she is what was left behind from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body I think Naminé used Sora's body and soul at first but remember when Kairi used her heart to turn Sora human? well I think she gave Naminé part of her soul and body in return to be able to give Sora the soul and body she was in pocession of.(Naminépower)
                                                                                             No thats not true Roxas has Soras body and soul Namine has nothin at all she is a true non-being and as we all know,No one in kh can give their soul and body to someone they would surely die if that was true![[Special:Contributions/74.103.8.60|74.103.8.60]] 14:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)13 keyblades

== Naminé ==

If she was born using Sora's body and soul why is she still Kairi's nobody wouldn't she have to return her existence to Sora and not Kairi.(Naminépower)

True engough that Naminé was born from Sora, but she was born with Kairi's heart. Therefore, she is Kairi's Nobody and that's why she reutnr to her true self.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:52, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

yes but she is was in pocession of Sora's body and his soul as far as they tell us so wouldn't that have to be given back.(Naminépower)

Naminé is nothing of Sora. Not body, not soul. It is possible she inherited Aqua's body, like Roxas might have inherited Ven's. This would explain both of their bodies missing, and the likeness of Roxas (and quasi likeness of Naminé to both Aqua and Kairi).[[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 02:44, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Umm... Twins??? ==

{{NitrousX|text=What's this "Twins" business in the Trivia section? I don't think that's right.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Well, many believe because when Sora stabbed himself with the Dark Keyblade, Roxas and Namine were born at the same time. Plus, they kinda look alike, don't you think? People believe you might even call them twins.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I guess... but I like them more as a couple.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Me to.. So...What're we going to do about it?}}
{{NitrousX|text=I dunno... but I think the couple trivia and the twin trivia should be on separate bullets.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Well, I won't agrue with you. Do as you see fit.}}

== Naminé and Xion ==

Has anyone else noticed Xion looks more like Kairi than Naminé does(Naminépower)

Yes, we all known for a looong time.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

==Name==
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:12, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Alright, so we all know that whenever a Nobody joins Organization XIII Xemnas anagrams their name and adds an "X" somewhere. But what about Namine? She didn't join the Organization so... who named Namine?}}

In most of the fics I read, either Xemnas or Marluxia. My guess is Xemnas.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:14, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:17, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't think it was Xemnas. Xemnas obviously likes the letter "X" and there is no "X" in Namine. Nor is it an anagram of anything I can think of. As for Marluxia... possibly?}}

They probably didn't know who Namine's Somebody was. They just gave her a name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:29, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

== Dead Fantasy? ==

{{XionXIV|time=18:22, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|hooded=Looks like Naminé[http://montyoum.deviantart.com/art/Lunar-Eclipse-2-138628096] is coming up in a Dead Fantasy video. Also,what type of keyblade is that? Seems to me that it's made-up.}}

{{Faythoffenrir|time=18:35, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=You appear to be correct about that being Naminé. The creator of Dead Fantasy likes to make up weapons. (He gave Rinoa a Gunblade) Or so I heard.}}

Wish I knew how to do those text boxes.....

Anyway, it IS Namine using a fanmade Keyblade called Lunar Eclipse. And by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgXF7lEpGI&feature=channel

Well, yeah.....Should this be added to the trivia section or something? As a non-canon appearance in Dead Fantasy. [[User:Rucario|Rucario]] 10:35, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|No. We don't do non-canon appearances, or we'd have to mention every fanart and cosplay.}}


I don't mean about that. I mean, let's say '''for example''', Sora appears in Final Fantasy C (Other than X and V, it's the only Roman Number I know, it's 100), then it's a non-canon appearance, right? But appeared in a highly recognized game/movie/picture. THAT's what I mean, even the Star Wars wiki (Which is bigger than it's own good) do this stuff, as Darth Vader, Galen, and Yoda appeared in Soul Calibur 4 (Or 5?). [[User:Rucario|Rucario]] 11:23, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
:That kind of stuff would be "semi-canon", since those are works by the same publisher. I hope it's at least clear how Kingdom Hearts appearing in another Square Enix production is an entirely different situation than Kingdom Hearts appearing in a fan-video.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:35, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
I admit defeat there. [[User:Rucario|Rucario]] 13:56, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Didn't we have something to this effect for Kairi's page at one point? Apologies for bumping a month-old topic.}}

== Keyblade ==
Ok, I know that this might sound a little weird, but shouldn't Namine be a keyblade wielder? I read somewhere around the wiki that the keyblade is connected to the soul (or was it body, I can't remember), so, since Namine was born from Sora's body and soul, shouldn't she be able to wield the keyblade as well? --[[User:Random Ranaun|Random Ranaun]] 07:33, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, while the soul thing is a bit off (it's been very much explicitly said that it's the heart the soul belongs to which decides who is eligible to wield, and I always thought Namine is a reproduction of Kairi's body and soul through Sora), Namine actually should be able to use the Keyblade since Kairi very much has the ability to wield it. Whether this will be touched upon remains to be seen. [[User:Xev154|Xev154]] 17:24, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

removed[[User:Xev154|Xev154]] 23:23, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

she is made from kairi's heart and soul and sora's body the ability of wield the keyblade come from the heart, yes Kairi can wield the keyblade but she was never choose by any keyblade so she only can wield other people keyblades
Namine never tryied to wield a keyblade so she may wield one but she never did it--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 17:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

But, in ''Birth By Sleep'', Kairi touched Aqua's keyblade, meaning that she was to become a keyblade wielder. Since Namine was born from both Kairi and Sora, who can both wield the keyblade, shouldn't Namine be able to wield it too? Maybe it was because she didn't want to fight, so she never summoned it? Or maybe it has something to do with her being an unstable being as Ansem the Wise stated? --[[User:Random Ranaun|Random Ranaun]] 21:31, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


I think that kairi can only wield other peoples keyblades she never summoned one only used one that Riku gave her so if Roxas give to her one of his keyblade she would probably wield ot with no problem, besides if she could summon one she would use it agaist Marluxia or something like that--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 22:21, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, disregard my earlier comment. If Xion is any evidence, Namine definitely should be able to wield it. I guess since Kairi never actually used the keyblade before, then Namine didn't know how, and she had no idea she could use the Keyblade. [[User:Xev154|Xev154]] 23:23, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

== False trivia ==

*It is worth noting that Naminé is the only humanoid Nobody in the series who's name does not have an "X" in it. She is also the only Nobody whose name is not an anagram of her original self. This is made even more unusual due to the fact that Organization XIII found her. This may be because she is a very unusual Nobody. Tetsuya Nomura may also have done this to emphasize the fact that, although she is a Nobody, she is not part of the Organization. It might also be because she doesn't possess any abilities that could be used in combat. Yet another speculation is that Kairi had no darkness in her heart, and thus, Naminé has no "X" in her name. 

This trivia is false. The "X" in the organization's names are given to them by Xemnas, not "naturally bequeathed" upon them. So... this trivia is false, noting the "X" part, and that it is complete speculation. Can I get rid of it? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 23:29, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
:Is it false, or just a non sequiter?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:18, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
::._.

::Can I delete it anyway? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 00:25, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh sure. I basically hate all trivia, so my default opinion is "If it doesn't fit in article, chuck it."[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

== Exacly what is Namine she has no soul,body and heart!Nothin! ==

I wanna know Namine has no componets yet she exist I read all reports but still she exist she has no body but she does and no soul but she does I mean how!?What is she!?

Namine is strange as in the ansem reports she is a true non-being at the true word but yet she still exist but doesnt at the same time how?!I mean Namne also has powers where did she get the memorie powers from and who and why was she born!?Namine is like Kairi and Soras special nobody child!?right?

== Namine(kairis nobody) and Kairis heartless?! ==

I read the ansem reports and it said Kairi had a nobody a.k.a Namine and a heartlesss but how I dunno read secret ansem report 8 or 9 its one of those two.This is not a forum or a fan-theroie just a confused question as to why the report says that!?[[Special:Contributions/74.103.8.60|74.103.8.60]] 15:39, September 9, 2010 (UTC)13 keyblades

{{Pea14733|time=15:53, September 9, 2010 (UTC)|text= Kairi doesn't have a Heartless because she is one of the Princesses of Light. That means her heart lacked Darkness, which is needed to form a Heartless.}}

Yeah I know that but why does the reports say that?[[Special:Contributions/74.103.8.60|74.103.8.60]] 15:57, September 9, 2010 (UTC)13 keyblades
:It's confusingly worded, but Ansem is talking about ''why'' she does not have a Heartless, using a hypothetical Heartless as an example, and then saying that Kairi lacks that darkness needed for it to exist.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see I misread it well thx but also I was wondeing about Namine she is very strange!

I mean how can Namine exits without a body and soul but she does but than again she has a body and a soul but she doesnt at the same time.I mean how can she have no componets for a being while she has an apperance her appearnace means she has a body and a soul but she is a non-bieng.I mean is Namine like a new catergory that will be expalianed in kh3(I hope) I mean I dunno what is she nothing can exits without componets(excluding purebloods and unverse)but she does so she must have some but they say she doesnt but why does she have a apperance then I mean Im kinda confused Namine is kinda like a unverse but then again shes not Im really confused now this is not a forum or a fan-theroie still a confused question!