Editing Talk:Mushroom XIII

{{KrytenKoro|Okay, the Japanese sites I've looked on only list two Mushroom weapons per Mushroom, plus the Premium and Limited, while the Gamefaqs boards claim each mushroom gives all four of either shield or staff.

I did find one Japanese website which seems to say that the shield or staff you get depends on your score, but it was kind of hard to make out what it was saying.

Can anyone with Final Mix verify whether I have the drop lists correct?}}

{{TNE|text=I've played Final Mix and '''yes''', they drop all four depending on the score. After breaking my record for Mushrooms #2 and #5 several times, I must say Gamefaqs have a point. I had already received three Mushroom shields from Mushroom #2 - as far as I can remember...

The Japanese sites also have a point : only that, those are the most frequently dropped shields/staffs for the respective Mushrooms. (Darn, I've sold tons of them.)}}
{{KrytenKoro|Would you be able to handle the Reaction Command and strategy bits for this article?}}

{{TNE|blahtext=Strategy, yes. Reaction command, no. Because my PS2 is under lockdown. I'll have to take a good look at the screens once more to do that.....

EDIT : I put some of the strategy bits in the Trivia section. I entrust the rest to you. =)}}

== XIII ==

{{KrytenKoro|Normally, Jusan would be correct, but the name specifically uses XIII, not 十三}}

{{TNE|text=Got it. Thanks for letting me know. ^_^ Though I wonder why XIII機関 uses ''Jusan Kikan''. Go figure.........

Meanwhile, think we should shift all the Mushroom screens to the right ? The text is pouring out. Literally.}}

==Utimania data to put somewhere==
Putting this here so everyone can access the information and make something out of it. Maybe their own infobox? 

For No. 5, 7, and 10, Weapon and Other is x1.0. Everything else is x0.5.

{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize, odd numbers || B Prize, even numbers
|-
|S || Big Munny x 5, Tranquil Crystal || Big MP x 5, Small Drive x 5,  Big Drive x 5, Premium Kinoko ||  Big HP x 5, Medium Drive x 5,  Big Drive x 5, Limited Kinoko
|-
|A || Big Munny x 5, Tranquil Crystal || [Big MP x 3, Precious Kinoko+] (90%) '''or''' [Big MP x 5, Small Drive x 5,  Big Drive x 5, Premium Kinoko] (10%) || [Big HP x 3, Palatial Kinoko+] (90%) '''or''' [Big HP x 5, Small Drive x 5,  Big Drive x 5, Limited Kinoko] (10%)
|-
|B || Medium Munny x 3, Tranquil Crystal, Drive Recover || [Big MP x 3, Precious Kinoko] (85%) '''or''' [Big MP x 3, Precious Kinoko+] (15%) || [Big HP x 3, Palatial Kinoko] (85%) '''or''' [Big HP x 3, Palatial Kinoko+] (15%)
|-
|C || Medium Munny x 1, Tranquil Gem || [Small MP x 3, Pleasure Kinoko+] (75%) '''or''' [Big MP x 3, Precious Kinoko] (25%) || [Small HP x 3, Happy Kinoko+] (75%) '''or''' [Big HP x 3, Palatial Kinoko] (25%)
|-
|D || Small Munny x 3, Tranquil Stone || [Small MP x 3, Pleasure Kinoko] (65%) '''or''' [Small MP x 3, Pleasure Kinoko+] (35%) || [Small HP x 3, Happy Kinoko] (65%) '''or''' [Small HP x 3, Happy Kinoko+] (35%)
|-
|E || Small Munny x 1, Tranquil Shard, Tent, Drive Recover || [Small MP x 3, Pleasure Kinoko] (55%) || [Small HP x 3, Happy Kinoko] (55%)
|}

===No. 1===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 99 ||99
|-
|A || 90–98 || 94–98
|-
|B || 70–89 || 80–93
|-
|C || 60–69 || 65–79
|-
|D || 50–59 || 55–64
|-
|E || 40–49 || 45–54
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Final Form
*Equipment: —
*Abilities: —

===No. 2===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 99 ||99
|-
|A || 95–98 || 97–98
|-
|B || 80–94 || 87–96
|-
|C || 70–79 || 75–86
|-
|D || 65–69 || 67–74
|-
|E || 60–64 || 62–66
|}

*HP: —
*Form: —
*Equipment: Sleeping Lion
*Abilities: Combo Plus

===No. 3===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 500 || 500
|-
|A || 490–499 || 495–499
|-
|B || 450–489 || 470–494
|-
|C || 400–449 || 425–469
|-
|D || 350–399 || 375–424
|-
|E || 250–349 || 300–374
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Wisdom Form
*Equipment: Follow the Wind, Draw Ring
*Abilities: Draw

===No. 4===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || — || —
|-
|A || — || —
|-
|B || 85 (cannot go further) || —
|-
|C || 70–84 || 77 (cannot go further)
|-
|D || 60–69 || 65–76
|-
|E || 50–59 || 55–64
|}

*HP: 1 (start), 2 (after 10), 5 (after 50), 16 (after 75)
*Form: Wisdom Form
*Equipment: Final Crest
*Abilities: Charge Berserk

===No. 5===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 00'03"00 or less || 00'03"00 or less
|-
|A || 00'03"01–00'05"00 || 00'03"01–00'04"00
|-
|B || 00'05"01–00'10"00 || 00'04"01–00'07"00
|-
|C || 00'10"01–00'30"00 || 00'07"01–00'20"00
|-
|D || 00'30"01–01'00"00 || 00'20"01–00'45"00
|-
|E || 01'00"01–01'40"00 || 00'45"01–01'20"00
|}

*HP: 1000
*Form: Final Form
*Equipment: Bond of Flame, Sleeping Lion
*Abilities: Fire Up, Combo Plus

===No. 6===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 00'31"00 or less || 00'31"00 or less
|-
|A || 00'31"01–00'40"00 || 00'31"01–00'35"00
|-
|B || 00'40"01–00'45"00 || 00'35"01–00'42"00
|-
|C || 00'50"01–01'05"00 || 00'42"01–00'55"00
|-
|D || 01'05"01–01'20"00 || 00'55"01–01'12"00
|-
|E || 01'20"01–01'30"00 || 01'12"01–01'25"00
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Final Form
*Equipment: Sleeping Lion
*Abilities: Auto-Lock Magic, Combo Plus

===No. 7===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 00'03"00 or less || 00'03"00 or less
|-
|A || 00'03"01–00'05"00 || 00'03"01–00'04"00
|-
|B || 00'05"01–00'10"00 || 00'04"01–00'07"00
|-
|C || 00'10"01–00'30"00 || 00'07"01–00'20"00
|-
|D || 00'30"01–00'40"00 || 00'20"01–00'35"00
|-
|E || 00'40"01–01'00"00 || 00'35"01–00'50"00
|}

*HP: 1000
*Form: Master Form
*Equipment: Photon Debugger
*Abilities: Thunder Up

===No. 8===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 99 || 99
|-
|A || 95–98 || 97–98
|-
|B || 85–94 || 90–96
|-
|C || 60–84 || 72–89
|-
|D || 55–59 || 57–71
|-
|E || 50–54 || 52–56
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Master Form
*Equipment: Final Crest
*Abilities: Charge Berserk

===No. 9===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 99 || 99
|-
|A || 95–98 || 97–98
|-
|B || 75–94 || 85–96
|-
|C || 70–74 || 72–84
|-
|D || 60–69 || 65–71
|-
|E || 50–59 || 55–64
|}

*HP: —
*Form: —
*Equipment: Final Crest
*Abilities: Charge Berserk, Air Side Slash

===No. 10===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 00'36"00 or less || 00'36"00 or less
|-
|A || 00'36"01–00'39"00 || 00'36"01–00'37"00
|-
|B || 00'39"01–00'55"00 || 00'37"01–00'47"00
|-
|C || 00'55"01–01'20"00 || 00'47"01–01'07"00
|-
|D || 01'20"01–01'40"00 || 01'07"01–01'30"00
|-
|E || 01'40"01–02'00"00 || 01'30"01–01'50"00
|}

*HP: 1000
*Form: —
*Equipment: Rumbling Rose
*Abilities: Finishing Plus, Air Combo Up

===No. 11===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 00'15"00 or less || 00'15"00 or less
|-
|A || 00'15"01–00'17"00 || 00'15"01–00'37"00
|-
|B || 00'17"01–00'19"00 || 00'16"01–00'18"00
|-
|C || 00'19"01–00'22"00 || 00'18"01–00'20"00
|-
|D || 00'22"01–00'25"00 || 00'20"01–00'23"00
|-
|E || 00'25"01–00'30"00 || 00'23"01–00'50"00
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Wisdom Form
*Equipment: Rumbling Rose
*Abilities: Combo Minus, Finishing Plus

===No. 12===
{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" align="center"
|-
|Rank || A Prize || B Prize
|-
|S || 50 || 50
|-
|A || 44–49 || 47–49
|-
|B || 40–43 || 42–46
|-
|C || 30–39 || 35–41
|-
|D || 25–29 || 27–34
|-
|E || 20–24 || 22–26
|}

*HP: —
*Form: Wisdom Form
*Equipment: Final Crest
*Abilities: Charge Berserk

== Journal Entry-type things ==

{{NitrousX|text=I noticed that a couple of them have brief descriptions in italics, are these journal entries, or something else? And where can they be found for the other members of Mushroom XIII?}}
{{KrytenKoro|They are the mini-game tip that appears at the top when you attack. The journals, however, are available in a zip file I placed on the main talk page.}}

== THE PICTURE... ==

why does the mushrooms XIII have 13 pictures of the same heartless???[[Special:Contributions/74.233.43.216|74.233.43.216]] 20:00, April 16, 2010 (UTC) +lempicka+

Because that's pretty much what the Mushrooms XIII are. Plus, there are variations in size worth mentioning. [[User:Tamroc7|Tamroc7]] 21:20, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
:Speaking of which, what happened to all the in-game screens of the Mushroom XIII ? {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 01:48, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Mushroom XIV? ==

{{Organization 13|time=[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 17:49, April 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I know Xion wasn't invented back then but should'nt there be a 14th mushroom?}}
{{KrytenKoro|You pretty much answered your own question.}}
:She's not ''really'' one of them anyway.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 21:16, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
{{TNE|time=00:48, April 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=And if Xion were really planned back then, it'd still be 13 mushrooms because Xion and Roxas were meant to fuse, or one of them was meant to be eliminated.}}

== Misbehaving Mushroom ==
Is there a prerequisite something that you have to do in order to spawn Mushroom I at the Memory Skyscraper? Every time I go there, only a bunch of Nobodies greet me and I'm getting tired of seeing them. I've gone as far as I can possibly go in the plot; only the final battle with Xemnas awaits me at the end. The other mushrooms don't seem to give me this problem; is anyone else experiencing it? If it helps, this is my first play through on Standard mode. [[Special:Contributions/60.52.33.58|60.52.33.58]] 17:15, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'll help you out, because it seems no-one else wants to, even though it's a few years late.
When it says "defeat Xemnas", it means "finish the game". At the Battle Report, it will prompt a game-save. Do so, and it will say it saved the game before final battle before stamping your file with a Completed icon (a crown) and dump you back at the Altar of Naught. Mushroom I is where specified. I was puzzling over this a lot too. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.70.98|82.17.70.98]] 09:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Size if the mushrooms ==
Even if they are scaled differently in the game the model stays the same (with the exception of the number on their back), that's why I think showing all 13 images separately is rather pointless. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 23:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I would prefer we just show the backs of the models in a gallery.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== I-XIII ==

<s>Shouldn't we be using roman numerals since they have the roman numerals on the back of their coats? [http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy24/Chainoffire08/mushroomxiii_zpsc05b0934.jpg]</s> {{User:Chainoffire/sig}}

EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw the journal entry. [[User:Chainoffire|Chainoffire]] ([[User talk:Chainoffire|talk]]) 06:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

== "many say" ==

Needs to be removed.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== No. 10? ==

Is there something to be said about how No. X is apparently female, according to the Information scroll?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:I made the same mistake of editing the mushroom's part to use female pronunciations. I recommend just leaving the page as it is and refer to her as if she's genderless. {{Uxie/Sig}} 02:01, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::I don't think that's right. If it explicitly says that it's a female, than we should refer to the Mushroom as a female, no? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 02:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
We don't have to change pronouns (see Pokémon), but I'm just wondering if it's worth a note somewhere. (I know we're not gonna get an explanation anytime soon...)  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 02:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:::It blatantly says all Heartless, Nobodies, etc., unless they are characters, are genderless in the MoS. It's probably just an inconsistent translation error; why would just one or two Heartless have genders while the other Mushrooms don't (I believe No. 8 is called male for no real reason...)? No. 10 is "it" again in the Journal, as well. It can be a Trivia note, but the pronoun should be left as "it" on the actual article to reflect the MoS, rest of the game, rest of the article, and the other articles in general. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 03:46, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:I should think so too. If every other Mushroom is referred to as 'it' in the journals and reports, then we shouldn't overthink it when Mushroom X is mistakenly referred to as 'she'. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="dodgerblue">Trois</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="darkslateblue">nyx</font>]]''' 14:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::As far as the MoS is concerned, that's because they are species and not individuals. The bosses (including the XIII) are individuals, so it's possible for them to have gender if the game says they do. As far as this instance, can we get a screenshot of the Japanese version of the battle scroll? We can check whether the gender connotation is present in the original -- if not, then this should just be a trivia note about a translator error.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
http://imgur.com/XJ32R42  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:::It doesn't use any specific gendered words.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Drop Rates? ==

Anyone ever figure out whats up with these drops? I'm getting the same level 2 (plain mushroom +, joyous mushroom +) from both the high end and the low end (4, and 11) when I complete the requirement for the mushroom. How do I get the good stuff?--[[User:Amantis|Amantis]] ([[User talk:Amantis|talk]]) 07:29, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
:You have to get better scores, and the Lucky Lucky abilities help.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
::So the score listed on this page is the lowest required score? Cause I've been reaching all of those numbers
:::Yeah. See the tables above. 2, 5, and 8 are probably the easiest to get high scores on.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

== Rewrite to sections. ==

Each Mushroom appears after a certain episode is completed, so proposed new design for all sections.
*Infobox with rank scores
*Name, location, and episode (boss) clear requirements
*Basic mini-game requirements
*Quick description of tactics and (!) counter-strategy
*Quick description of how it references its Org member

===No. 1===
{{Mushroom
|name=No. 1
|SA=99|SB=99
|AA=90–98|AB=94–98
|BA=70–89|BB=80–93
|CA=60–69|CB=65–79
|DA=50–59|DB=55–64
|EA=40–49|EB=45–54
}}
'''No. 1''' appears at [[Memory's Skyscraper]] after [[Xemnas]] is defeated. Sora has 30 seconds to hit it as many times as he can.

No. 1 will continuously attempt to use [[Reversal]] to get behind Sora, but this will allow Sora to use his own "Reversal" and "[[Quick Slide]]" reaction commands. Once both commands expire, No. 1 will dash at Sora, knocking him back. If Sora can get behind the Mushroom with either Reversal or Quick Slide, the Mushroom will become confused and drop its guard. (!) The key to defeat it is to wait past Reversal for the more effective Quick Slide, which instantly makes the Mushroom open to damage—it is also possible to make the Mushroom vulnerable using Reversal, but requires at least two uses and often sends Sora in the wrong direction, negating its effect. The window on Quick Slide is very small, and Sora can only deal nine hits at a time, so it is wise to use Wisdom Form or Final Form in order to deal them as quickly as possible.

Like Xemnas, this Heartless has the "Reversal" reaction, and like the Memory's Contortion battle, the key to dealing damage and avoiding being stunned is to use good timing with the reactions instead of mashing them as soon as possible. Its large size is a reference to Xemnas's role as the superior of Organization XIII, and its location is a reference to the first battleground with Xemnas.


::This one continues to advocate this rewrite, and placing images as tabs in the lead infobox. Also for Flantastic Seven.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:41, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:::The current infoboxes are quite a mess with all the rewards. If we can make it look clearer, that would be better. I'm not sure about the images as tabs in the lead infobox, though. 13 tabs is quite a lot. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:51, 24 February 2019 (UTC)