Editing Talk:Maleficent

==Maleficent's world?==
{{KingdomHeartsFan|text=In a recent video of birth by sleep on its new website we see ven aqua and maleficent discussing terra succumbing to darkness when i noticed that the setting resembled that of a dungeon so it made me think it could be maleficents dungeon. what do you think?}}

{{XNX|text=I saw that. I think they were outside, actually. I think there were thorns in the background.}}

== Name origin ==

{{Maggosh|text=I noticed Maleficent's name is a combination of "Magnificent" and "Malevolent". Should I include this?}}
:...[[wiktionary:Maleficent|Maleficent]].[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:48, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Curse you Internet! Just when I thought I made a discovery,  you do...THIS! GAD! *throws desk at computer*}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=*Giggles*}}

== Wiped from Existence ==

{{Randomnessity|time=04:59, January 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just want to clarify that I saw that right. Wiped from existence? That's got to be pretty serious in the KH universe right? Although I'm sure Maleficent will somehow find a way back from being wiped from existence too.}}

== Alive in coded ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/mobile/mobile/file/943348/57054 it said Maleficent and Pete survived not delted. The coded website right now had episode 7.  --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 02:33, January 29, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
{{Randomnessity|isa=We've told you that we do not consider GameFAQs a reliable source. When we get a more reliable source then we'll what we will. Let it drop.}}

Fine what about this. Told you they are alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSEYx76BPY --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 04:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC) Cococrash11

== The Ring ==

In Birth By Sleep Maleficent is wearing a ring. But she doesn't have it in any of the other game. Maybe that ring has something to do with the next game.[[Special:Contributions/65.247.197.213|65.247.197.213]] 02:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Actually, her original design in Sleeping Beauty had a ring just like it. I assume that they added the ring to the design since Birth by Sleep tells Maleficent's role in the Sleeping Beauty story. Simple as that.}}

==New Page Idea==
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Seeing as though [[Organization XIII]] has their own page, shouldn't we make a page for Maleficent's council of villains seeing as though the group is a major plot point in the original game. But if not a page, how about a template or a category? Any thoughts?}}
{{KrytenKoro|There's no canon name for the group, so a page would be hard to make and keep compliant with the MOS. However, unlike the Organization XIII, Maleficent's group has no real central goal - they all serve Maleficent in finding the Princesses of Heart, but from what we see in KH1, it's all for and about Maleficent - none of the other villains work together. There's no need to cover how Hook and Oogie Boogie plot together, for instance. As such, it is quite simple to cover the story over Maleficent, Riku, and the individual villains' pages.}}
{{Disneyvillainman|talk=But they DO have a centrel goal. Two actually: Find the Keyholes and kidnap the Princess. They're certainly as important as Org. XIII, after all, both team are centrel villains in the games and they each have their own theme music (Villains of a Sort for Malef'cent's Council and Organizxation XIII for, well, Organization XIII). In Kingdom Hearts II, Organization XIII members seemed to work individually without other Organization XIII members when they're not holding meeting in Where Nothing Gathers, just like Maleficent's Council.}}
:okay, let me restate that - they have no central purpose. They have tasks, but only maleficent will benefit from obtaining KH.06:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
{{Danjam|time=[[User:Danjam|Danjam]] 06:45, April 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think KrytenKoro is right as it is un-canon, unlike the Organization. Also, as Kryten mentioned above, "they have tasks but only maleficent will benfit", is the exact same case with the organization; they all have tasks and they all want Kingdom Hearts, but like maleficent, Xemnas will benefit as he has other plans for KH as shown in 358/2 Days.}}
{{Disneyvillainman|talk=My main point is that the group was handled the exact same way as Org.XIII was in KHII. One could argue that Org.XIII was handled differently in Days but the Organization XIII article existed before that game was released so I feel that a similar standard should be applied the Maleficent's Council.}}

well acuatley they do work together in a way in kh1 you see that maleficent travels to the other villans worlds and helps them  out and you see this in Aggrabah when Maleficent is seen walking with Jafar talking about Jasmine and how to capture her they do communicate with each other to plan out how to get the job done and then they just go to their world or a different world to do their job which is just like the org. does as you see in days where they send them out to world to do various jobs. so yea i'm a big disney villan fan and they diserve a place.
:Okay, you really aren't understanding me. They don't have a goal that they work ''together'' toward. Maleficent aids them in their own little world-conquering escapades, and they hand over their world's Princess of Heart. That's it. Yes, they meet up to talk once or twice, but there's absolutely no unity to either the group or its plotlines.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:39, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
{{Disneyvillainman|talk= "...besides, they remain blissfully unaware of '''our''' other plan."

This quote proves that the group does plan together. They work together just as much as Organization XIII does in Kingdom Hearts II so they definately merrit their own article.}}
{{neumannz|time=20:03, April 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=They don't work together anywhere NEAR as much as Organization XIII does. The Organization has a whole chain of command and a system of assigning and completing missions, while the Disney villains all follow their own agendas, and maybe, MAYBE, they spend a bit of effort looking for a Keyhole or a Princess of Hearts--and the only ones who do even that much are Jafar and Hook.}}
{{Disneyvillainman|talk=What you say about Organization XIII is true but none of that really became apparent until 358/2 Days yet Organization XIII had an article before Days was released when Org.XIII and Maleficent's group seemed to do the same thing. And I'm pretty sure that the only Disney villain who wasn't looking for a keyhole or a princess was Hades.}}
:You keep saying that the Organization didn't appear to work together until Days, but they did it all over the place in CoM. Have you played CoM? And then they show up in groups all the time in KH2, and are given missions to do things. They may have little agendas in KH2 (Xaldin, Axel), but even Xaldin is just doing some overtime there, not outright ignoring his mission.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:22, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{neumannz|time=03:49, April 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=Oogie Boogie didn't care about finding a Keyhole, Ursula, despite mentioning the Keyhole, only cared about taking Triton's power, and obviously Hades didn't care at all.}}
{{Disneyvillainman|talk=@GloriousCHAOS!-Yes, I have played CoM and they did have their own Agendas but other than Axel trying to kill Marluxia, all of the Organization members seemed to take their turns fighting Sora and Riku but planned together in their headquarters, just like the Disney villains.

@neumannz-Ursula had Flotsam and Jetsam looking all over the palace for the keyhole so Ursulsa obviously did care about finding the keyhole. The group also had another goal: building an army of Heartless which Oogie most definately tried to do.}}
:...Axel fought Sora with Marluxia's permission, and then Axel would meet alone with Larxene, Larxene would meet alone with Marluxia, Axel with Vexen, Vexen with Zexion and Lexaeus, Zexion with just Lexaeus...how do you not see that they were acting as a group? Yes, there were factions within it, but they were still a group. The Disney Villains showed up at group meetings, but they served Maleficent, and never got into factions against her. Maleficent IS the Disney villains - they're essentially her glorified henchman. That's what makes the difference.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:40, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

{{Disneyvillainman|talk=I see your point about Organization XIII and I do feel that a category for Maleficent and her associates would be more appropriate, but the [[Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee]] works the exact same way, yet they have their own page as well. I feel that if we can squeeze the information concerning Maleficent's Council into the member's individual article, the same standards shopuld apply to the Restoration Committee.}}

== Disney villans? ==

ok so i've been wandering for a while how did Maleficent get in contact with all the other disney villans to recruit them,anyone know?

^ First, leave your name at the end of your comment using four ~'s.  As for your question, we don't know.  The only Disney villain we see her recruiting is Pete in Birth By Sleep, even though we don't see him working for Maleficent until KH2 (wonder what he was doing during KH1?)  It probably isn't all that important, anyway.  [[User:Key of Destiny|Key of Destiny]] 16:02, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

==Diablo==
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Why does Diablo redirect to here? This page has almost no information on Diablo. It's like having Iago redirect to Jafar's article. I know he doesn't do as much as Iago but I think there's enough information on him to merit his page. I mean, the White Rabbit does just as much as Diablo and he has his own article, and what the White Rabbit did wasn't crucial to the story of the game.}}

{{R&D|time=14:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=Do as you please and make an article. Good Luck. Any problem with the redirecting, just ask!}}

{{Disneyvillainman|text=Alright. I'll whip one together.

EDIT: I'm afraid I can't. Since the page name is already a redirect, I'm unable to make a page called Diablo and you can't edit a redirect page (or at least I couldn't)}}

{{R&D|Time=01:07, June 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=I can start the page. You can edit from there on.
EDIT: The page is protected. That's why. I'll try to get it un-protected.}}

{{Disneyvillainman|text=Thank you!}}

== I have a problem with this sentence ==

''One by one, each of the Disney villains failed to resist the darkness in their hearts and each met their demise at the end of Sora's Keyblade, with the following exceptions: Pete, (whom Sora did not encounter at this time), Hades (who is immortal and merely gave into his anger), Jafar (who turned into a Genie and was sealed in his lamp) and Captain Hook (who merely fled).''
The number of exceptions (Pete, Hades, Jafar, Hook) is greater than the number that actually "meets their demise" and fail to resist the darkness (Oogie Boogie and Ursula). This should be simplified to "defeated". [[User:Xerruy|Xerruy]] 19:08, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is true. It's actually a very useless sentence. I vote for it to be edited.[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 06:22, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

==Hell==
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Is it worth mentioning that Maleficent in Birth by Sleep is the first time someone speaks a curse word in the Kingdom Hearts series. Yes, I realize that Axel said it in Chain of Memories, but that was only in a text bubble. Susan Blakslee actually spoke this particular line.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Yeah, I think it's mention-worthy.}}
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Then I'll go ahead with it if no one else has already.}}
:Since when was "hell" a curse-word?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
::The definition of a "curse word" is subjective. Different people are offended by different things. Opinionated statements shouldn't be on the wiki (including that bit about Axel if it's still in his article).{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
:::By Disney standards, any word that has a strong negative connotation that is known by the majority of people is considered a curse, such as the word Hell. --Evnyofdeath 01:36, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
{{Disneyvillainman|text=I just brought it up because of that bit on Axel's article which I believe at one time was mention on the main page under the "Did you know?" section before the BBS clock was there.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=22:41, September 19, 2010 (UTC)|text= Honestly, I don't think that "Hell" in this instance is counted as a curse word, since it's referring to the location itself. The way Axel used it would be more considered a curse.}}
Even Axel wasn't technically using it as a curse. He wasn't cursing anything, he was using it for emphasis. Maleficent was actually closer to cursing someone (by suggesting that she will expose them to the powers of hell; it was a threat/curse, not just emphasis). That said, I still don't think either should be mentioned, since what is and is not considered a "bad" word is subjective.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

And also, Maleficent was the only one to canonly curse since Axel's line in Re:Chain of Memories was changed to "try to make it enjoyable Sora." And Demyx only said "crap" in a manga which is not canon because it is an adaptation of the games that makes them funny. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 22:13, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
:Huh, why would maggosh delete my note from the trivia section? If it was notable on Axel's page, why wouldn't it be notable here? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 00:02, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

You know what would be a good way to find out? Ask him. Personally I don't think either of them are suited to be trivia.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|YMX=Neither do I. That's why I removed it.}}

{{Disneyvillainman|text=Two things:

1. Wait a minute, Maggosh, before didn't you say it was mention worthy before? Why the sudden change of heart?
2. Couldn't we at least mention something along the lines of her using Hell in this game rather than Darkness as in the first game?}}
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 {{Randomnessity|time=04:59, January 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just want to clarify that I saw that right. Wiped from existence? That's got to be pretty serious in the KH universe right? Although I'm sure Maleficent will somehow find a way back from being wiped from existence too.}}
---[[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 06:24, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
-I don't think she has been. I think that the Maleficent seen in Coded and Re:coded was the digital Maleficent, created by the writings of Jiminy's Journal. It would explain why none of those pixelly stuff appears when she teleports, or why she seems to have turned into a complete idiot ("Data world? I care nothing for such nonsense!"). I mean, sure she has made a fool of herself before, but she's still very clever nonetheless.
 == Alive in coded ==
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 Fine what about this. Told you they are alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSEYx76BPY --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 04:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC) Cococrash11
-Seriously, what do we have to do go get this bitch to stay dead?! --[[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 21:57, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 == The Ring ==
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 {{Disneyvillainman|talk=I see your point about Organization XIII and I do feel that a category for Maleficent and her associates would be more appropriate, but the [[Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee]] works the exact same way, yet they have their own page as well. I feel that if we can squeeze the information concerning Maleficent's Council into the member's individual article, the same standards shopuld apply to the Restoration Committee.}}
-Ahh, but here's the difference between the HB Restoration Committee/Org. 13 and "Maleficent's Council." The Committee and Organization have '''''official''''' names. This "Council" does not. Just putting my opinion out there. [[Special:Contributions/66.215.20.249|66.215.20.249]] 03:50, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
 == Disney villans? ==
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 ^ First, leave your name at the end of your comment using four ~'s.  As for your question, we don't know.  The only Disney villain we see her recruiting is Pete in Birth By Sleep, even though we don't see him working for Maleficent until KH2 (wonder what he was doing during KH1?)  It probably isn't all that important, anyway.  [[User:Key of Destiny|Key of Destiny]] 16:02, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
-The best bet is she used the alure of the Heartless and the powers of darkness to travel between the worlds and found the most powerful people who were willing to work with her. She also probably had assistance from Xehanort's Heartless. --[[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 21:55, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
---[[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 06:29, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
-She sent Pete out to travel to various worlds to find the darkest people in those worlds. He would then offer them an alliance with Maleficent in exchange for the dark powers she could share with them (mainly, the control over the heartless). If they refused, he would kill them and turn them into Heartless.
-That's how she ended up with a band of minions, and an army of Heartless.
 ==Diablo==
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 . Wait a minute, Maggosh, before didn't you say it was mention worthy before? Why the sudden change of heart?
 . Couldn't we at least mention something along the lines of her using Hell in this game rather than Darkness as in the first game?}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=00:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=We have the quote don't we? That seems like enough to me.}}
-{{Disneyvillainman|text=Correction: we have the quote from the movie in the origin section, not the BBS quote in the BBS section.}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=00:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=How about we replace the movie quote with the BBS one, since this wiki focuses on the characters' Kingdom Hearts incarnations anyway?}}
-{{Maggosh|YMX=Yes, I agree. I believe the quote was "See for yourself, all the powers of Hell!"}}
-{{Disneyvillainman|text=Good idea. I agree.}}
-==Quote==
-In the Maleficent battle with ven in BBS, when putting you to sleep what does Maleficent say?
-One quote is: INto sleep you fall forever  and the other is:
-All who dare I something something, from this sleep you shall never wake [[Special:Contributions/134.151.33.152|134.151.33.152]] 20:26, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
-== Kingdom hearts: Rise of the Darknes...? ==
-What did I miss here? Who put that in the coded section?--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- [[User:Dark-EnigmaXIII]] 14:17, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
-{{Chitalian8|time=14:21, December 4, 2010 (UTC)|neku= No such thing as Rise of the Darkness, I'm afraid.}}
-I knew it, I just wanted see if it was "confirmed"... yeah, right, like if that gonna happen. Thanks, Chitalian8--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- [[User:Dark-EnigmaXIII]] 14:24, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
-== What is Maleficent? ==
-There seems to be a debate on what creature Maleficent is. She is a Somebody, we know that for sure. But what kind of Somebody is she? Is she a witch/sorceress or she a fairy? She is referred to as all of these things in the Kingdom Hearts series. The result of this debate is an Edit War on Maleficent's article going on between me and a few other members.
-I personally say she is a fairy. More precisely, an evil fairy. She is Disney's version of the '''''Evil Fairy Godmother''''' from Charles Perrault's original story, half of which the Disney version is based on. In the original story, all the fairies were sisters, so presumably, Flora, Fauna, Merryweather and Maleficent are all sisters.
-I'm sure I'm right.
-What do you think?
-[[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 20:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-:According to the journal:
-:*KHI: "''A sorceress of awesome power''"
-:*KHII: "''A sorceress of frightening power''"
-:*BbS: "''A terrifying evil fairy with a command of dark magic''"
-:*CoM: "''A witch who commands the darkness''"
-:I think the general consensus is witch/sorceress, since only BbS classes her as a fairy (disregarding the movie). {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=8:35pm, December 30, 2010 (UTC)}}
-Yeah, I see what you mean. I think the article should call her a fairy, considering that's what Disney refer to her as.
---[[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 20:38, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-Why wouldn't they all be true? And as long as they are, it doesn't matter which description is used at any given point.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 20:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-Yes, and since they all work, for consistency we should go with the majority (sorceress), especially since we usually do not count the Disney movies as canon, so that does nothing to add to the fairy side of the argument.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 20:53, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-Yeah, I guess so.
---[[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 21:12, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-{{Disneyvillainman|text=All are technically correct. However, Kingdom Hearts tends to lean towards sorceress as seen above. However, Disney themselves classify her as a fairy and even expressly state that she is not a wizard/witch in this advertisement for Disney Land (0:45): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwDb0c44A8}}
-Hmmm...
-Well, so far there is a tie in the "majority vote" opinion. Re:coded says "fairy" now. That's 2 for "Sorceress", 2 for "Fairy", and 1 for "Witch". The article currently says "fairy sorceress", which is pretty appropriate if we are going with a Majority vote.  [[User:ETHAN1994|ETHAN1994]] 18:07, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
-=="and their memories of her bring her back to life."==
-What's the source for this? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:12, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
-:"But by using her last bit of evil power, she was able to come back again some time later."
-:Merryweather: Haven't we seen this somewhere before?
-:Fauna: Yes, dear. I wonder whose it was...
-:Merryweather: Oh, Malefi---
-:Flora: No! We mustn't remember her name! Oh dear...
-:Merryweather: She was a mean ol' witch! Oh no! The memories are coming back! What'll we go!? Oooh---what'll we do!?
-::The implication of that scene is pretty clear that something bad will happen if the fairies remember Maleficent's name, and they rush to inform Yen Sid that they have inadvertently remembered her name. Maleficent is immediately shown resurrecting. According to the reports, she used her evil magic to revive herself, so it seems pretty clear that she did some kind of Voldemort-style magic, imbuing her own name with the magic power to revive her.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
-:::However, Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Pete happily say her name with no ill effect before that, so it seems to be limited to the fairies, or maybe magical beings in general.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
-== Dark Road ==
-''However, Maleficent uses her dragon form to swiftly kill Hoder, Heimdall, Helgi, and Sigrun, with Hoder's brother Baldr bearing witness.''
-I haven't played/watched Dark Road, but on Baldr's page it says it might have actually been his darkness that killed them instead. Should this be corrected? --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 05:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
-:I also haven't kept up with DR, so this needs to be double-checked.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
-::Baldr (possessed by his darkness): "''Hoder? Oh, no. In fact, I'm the one who got rid of her. Hoder, Heimdall, Helgi, Sigrun... The younger ones, Bragi, Urd, and Hermod were especially easy.''"
-::The cutscene ("The True Story") then goes on to show the darkness striking Hoder down while Baldr watches, and then the possessed Baldr killing everyone else. So I think it's safe to say that Maleficent isn't the one who finished them off. —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 02:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)