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| | =="Somebody" is a HUGE Mistake!== |
| | Normally, I would've pasted this here: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Somebody Buuut...nobody really pays attention to that talk page anymore. |
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| | It's been argued left and right about the validity of using "Somebody" as a canonical reference for complete beings. I'll just get right to my own personal bias: It sounds bloody retarded. But I'm not here to flaunt my own personal experience, I'm here to question it's validity, and provide some nice evidence against it - both '''solid''', ''and'' '''contextual'''. |
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| | The first bout of evidence I will provide is contextual, since it makes for a more intellectual argument. Here are ''exact'' quotes from the games: |
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| | 1-Roxas: "If I had a heart...would that make me somebody?" (358/2 Days) |
| | 2-Roxas: "If I had a heart, you think I could love somebody?" (358/2 Days) |
| | 3-Larxene: "Rewrite Sora's heart, and you can be somebody, not just the shadow of somebody." (CoM) |
| | 4-Larxene: "Then you can actually be somebody---and no longer just Kairi's shadow." (Re:Com) |
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| | I looked through all the transcripts of the game dialogue, and these are all the ones I found relevant to the context of which "Somebody" is referred. I might've missed one or two, but I doubt very much they're all that different. So, in the contextual argument, why is "Somebody" an incorrect reference? It all lies in the English language, and sentence structure, actually. In context of individual sentences, "somebody" is almost always referred to in the same sense as "living a life" is ("I wanna make lotsa munny! I WANNA BE SOMEBODY!"). In that same sense, we don't refer to people as the "Alive" or "Living", just because they're in their own way living a fulfilling life. Sure, they're exactly that, "living", but we do have terminology that focuses on specificity. In the same, "somebody" is always used as a metaphorical allegory in the context of the story. Not to mention, Roxas's own interpretation: Early on in the game, he takes the name "Nobody" quite literally, to where Zexion further expands on it, and simply tells him that an incomplete being is referred to as that. As common sense dictates, if you were to ask yourself a question opposite of the answer, you would use wording that's the exact opposite of the terminology you're familiar with ("If I'm a Nobody now...would I be somebody later?"). Not to mention, the general application of "Somebody" is far too literal. Take a look at quote #4. With an equivalent literal application, would that make Namine Kairi's literal shadow? I thought she just a Nobody? Now she's a Shadow? Same thing, really. A deeper look into the context ''outside'' of the single sentence is required for full understanding before application. Not to mention, Nobodies, Heartless, Unversed, and Dream Eaters all have one magical thing preceding the names: Count nouns, and plurals! "A", "the", they", "them", etc etc. "Somebody" has I believe only once had a count noun preceding it, and even then, it was used in a metaphorical context. Not once has been referred in a plural sense in any of the games. "A Nobody." "The Heartless." "The Unversed." "An Unversed." "A Heartless." "Nobodies." Need I go on? |
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| | Now, that was contextual evidence...largely based on a deeper understanding of English, as well as sentence structure, more importantly. The '''solid''' evidence? I'll let a certain dialogue exchange from Days do the talking: |
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| | (Day 10 Mission - The first mission with Zexion) |
| | Zexion: "Roxas, you and I and all the Organization's members are what we call |
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| | Roxas: "Well, that's not very nice." |
| | Zexion: "With a capital N. It's a name, for those of us who are missing a vital |
| | piece of who we are: our hearts." |
| | Roxas: "I don't have a heart?" |
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| | Capitalization! Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Dream Eaters, all contain capitalized first letters! Once again, it denotes ''naming''. Not once has somebody ever been capitalized in the games outside of the word being the first word in a sentence, and in every one of those instances, it was used a ''terribly different'' context ("Somebody's comin'!"). That right there should be the biggest alarm bell. The second solid proof? Japanese pronunciations. If every one of the games, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Dream Eaters, are all written in Japanese in a way that they're pronounced in their roman forms: Hātoresu, Nōbadi, Anvāsu, Dorīmu ītā. In short, it's the opposite of Romanji (Don't really know the technical term of pronouncing Latin phonics in Japanese...sorry!). However, the application of "somebody" in Japanese has always been used in native Japanese (the romanji might be a bit off...again, sorry!): Dareka, or hitokadonojinbutsu. Which one depends on the context of the sentence, really. |
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| | In short? I'm sorry to say this, but your application of "Somebody" towards "complete beings" is '''''dead wrong'''''. Many before have made this argument, some out of bias, some out of partial proof. I at the very least wanted to provide something solid, and present it in a ''convincing and sensible way''. Am I asking you all to change it to something else? Yeah, I am. This is a wiki, and a wiki should pride itself on providing ''concrete information'', and ''not speculation''. It's a lot of work, but it's worth it. What should you change it to? Just like how "Somebody" isn't a canonical term, there really isn't a canonical term for complete beings. Sure, you ''could'' change it to "Complete Beings", but that's sort of a mouthful, and too literal. So, just go with it the standard, proven route: "Characters", or "Other Characters." I mean, it's ''exactly right''. |
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| | In any case, I apologize for this humongous wall of text, but I was really going for something presentable and easy to understand. Everyone who has thus far argued against it has been right, but they've been wrong in their approach. I'm really hoping to change that here. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 17:25, October 8, 2011 (UTC) |
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| | :You forgot Axel's quote: "We Nobodies can never hope to be somebodies" {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 19:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::Everything you've just said is a rehash of previous discussions, and your proposed solution is completely unworkable. Are you saying that Axel isn't a character? I doubt it, but that implies you haven't really thought your solution through. Furthermore, your main argument against using "somebody" is full of more speculation than what you're criticizing in the use of "somebody". |
| | ::We already are well aware that "somebody" is not a fully official term, just like "Master Xehanort's Keyblade". However, it ''is'' a term used within the scripts to refer to a specific kind of thing, and we are in need of a term to describe this type of being. "Somebody" is neither speculation, nor is it "dead wrong". As we have ''always'' said, if you can provide evidence of "complete being"/"complete person"/"''any other term''" even being ''spoken'' within the scripts, we'll consider it. The last person we had claiming it was used swore up and down it was in one of Nomura's interviews, then buggered off when we asked him to prove it. The closest we've ever found is "humans" or "beings", which is used laughably imprecisely -- Scar is in no way a human, and the script also calls Heartless "beings". If "beings" even means anything in the series, it means "not a Nobody", which is hardly useful. |
| | ::On another note, I find it laughable that you denigrate somebody as "retarded", in a series where enemy races have been known as "Unversed". Calling fulfilled people "somebodies" (a term that's, well, ''actually used in the real world'' in a similar context, as opposed to this "Heartless", "Nobody", "Unversed", "Dream Eater", etc.) is hardly the least of this series's worries with being nonsensical.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::Lol, I do agree. However, I'm a patron of proper citations. "Somebody" is nothing more than made up crap. In any case, I feel this is relevant to share: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki#.22Somebody.22_is_a_HUGE_Mistake |
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| | I'm assuming from their posts that there's some bad blood between you guys. However, I implore you to read each and every post in that discussion, as it's every bit relevant to your wiki as well. Your credibility hinges on it. Dozens of bits of misinformation and misinterpretations are flying around, and I aim to put an end to it. However you approach it, "Somebody" is not a canonical term. Hence, citing it as such is misinformation. Not to mention that "somebody symbol. It's bloody fake, and once more, misinformation. How you approach this issue will ultimately decide where your place in the community is, whether you'll be just another joke, or a valuable source of information. That's how I've set this whole thing up. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 21:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::"Somebody" is not made up, and the symbol is from the ''gotdamn Ultimania''. Somebody is also ''not cited as an official term'', and is left as term for our use only. Gotdammit, if you haven't actually read either ''our'' discussions or SE's OFFICIAL BLOODY PUBLICATIONS, then please don't barge in here and tell us that we're wrong and should do whatever you say. If people who don't know what the f*** they're talking about think we don't have "credibility" because they haven't actually ''researched the bloody series''. |
| | ::::That "symbol" doesn't denote "somebodies", you fool. And once more, it is NOT a canonical term. And when there ISN'T one, you don't just make shit up! Is that so bloody difficult to understand? Also, YOUR uses of the term many differ - placeholder, whatever. But when you CITE it as such, people take it at face value! It's like the motherfucker of false advertisements. You know it's wrong, but you put it up there anyway. And because of THAT, misinformation is spreading. Chain reaction much?--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 22:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :The symbol denotes non-Heartless, non-Nobodies. We reviewed every profile it was used on. If you can't shell out to check the Ultimania yourself, then deal with it. |
| | :No one has ever said that "somebody" is the canonically official term. Please stop making up strawmen.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::Like I said earlier -- it is vital that we have something to use to refer to this type of being. "Somebody" is not nearly as official as "Heartless", no one's disputing that, but unless you can actually provide a suitable alternative, then you're not being helpful.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::Lol. Do you NEED one? What you had before was perfectly fine. You saw no people complaining. However, all of the sudden, there are now TWO Wikis? I'm sorry. But even you have to realize, you're just plain wrong on this one. Here, to help out, I'll quote a commenter from KHU: "Somebodies? How about people? Just ordinary people. That word does exist in the KH universe right?" Or how about "King Mickey refers to Sora as the "human with the key." In such meaning, "Somebodies" would not be an appropriate title. They would just be considered "people," whereas Nobodies are referred to as Nobodies, only because they are, in fact of the series, Nobodies. They are also "people" at times, such as the Organization XIII, but because they are on the brink of existence, and empty shells without hearts, they must also be considered Nobodies. The same goes with the Heartless. We called Xehanort's Heartless by the name of "Ansem" in Kingdom Hearts. This virtually depicts him as a "person" who has lost his heart to the Heartless, therefore making him a Heartless, as well as an individual character simultaneously." Helpful enough? I'll admit I've exhausted my own argument. Which is exactly why I've opened the doors for others to step in. At this point, you're just being stubborn.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 22:08, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::::Hm, I thought we used the term just for categorization of images and articles and not in the text itself. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 22:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::::Categorization is still a form of citation. "Dialectical Materialism" is a very long word. Yet, you won't find somebody abbreviating it "dialism" for sake of categorization. You still need to use factual information. --[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 22:56, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::::::Do you happen to be a user on any prominent KH sites, anon? {{The Inexistentsig}} 23:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::::::I don't really see how that's relevant. This isn't about me - it's about you guys.--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 23:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::::::I think you're missing the point. Categorization is about finding the greatest common divisor, not about exact description or even abbreviations. The premise is to use "fan terms" as little as possible. That's why somebodies is used for everything that is not named specifically by the games or by Nomura etc.. It's broad enough to hold them and is already used in the game (instead of complete being for example) even if the context is debatable. If we use more decriptive terms it would be harder and harder to keep the overview and most characters & enemies would be categorizied up to five times before everyone is satisfied. If you could make three or maybe four terms that can hold all the different beings we collect under somebodies now, that would be really helpful.--[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 23:52, 8 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::"People" is not used to refer to this kind of being, so your friend on KHU is wrong. I'd advise them to actually do any amount of research before mouthing off. |
| | ::"Somebodies" is never used in any discussion of the fiction. It is only used to categorize the heart-body-soul characters, for the purposes of our enemy templates and list of characters in a world. Sooo....yes, we do need a term to use there, if only to have something to enter into the templates. |
| | ::The rest of your comment doesn't make any gotdamn sense. How is using a quote from the game equivalent to cutting the official terms apart?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | We can't use human because unlike Sora not all complete beings in the KH universe are human same thing for people and person they're only used to refer to humans, besides as Shard said we are only using it for categorization and there is no real misinformation in here, there is no real damage in using it for categorization, although I must admit that it wouldn't kill us to mention in the [[Category:Somebody|page]] that it isn't an official term {{User:Xabryn/Sig}} 00:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
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| | Anon, are you what's his name, NeutraVega? 'cause he came in and made the exact same complaints, without willing to put in one iota of work in finding a more satisfactory term. By your own standards, neither "characters", "people", "humans", nor "complete beings" are more official or accurate. Either lower your standards, or find us a quote. If you're not willing to do the actual research and ''contribute'', then you really have nothing to bring to this decision and should be quiet.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | :I find it extremely relevant, if my suspisions are correct. Also, I don't think he's NV, because he would be cursing up a storm if he was. {{The Inexistentsig}} 01:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
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| | *sigh* No, I ain't him. I'm JC from Kingdom Hearts Ultimania. http://www.kh2.co.uk/kingdom-hearts-ultimania/news/the-application-of-kingdom-hearts-terminology.php As you can see, I've made no mention whatsoever of any arguments going on anywhere. And I'd like for it to remain that way. And honestly, I don't really care about any guys you've had problems with whereever. ''I'' brought this forward. Not anyone else. |
| | :You might have brought it up on your own, but you're making the exact same arguments we've heard and countered a thousand times before. Still waiting on ''any'' better alternative you can come up with. "Somebody" is the only option available that's even semi-official, since it was used in the actual games. Not perfect or completely official by any means, but it's all we have to go on unless you have an alternative. {{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}03:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
| | ::Lol, it's not semi-official. It's not even official at all! Once more, it's just crap that you guys made up. And why do you so desperately need alternatives? You DON'T need them. I mean, just read the reader comments at that guest blog. At this point, I can't offer more. But they can. And from what I can tell...they just find the whole thing silly, unnecessary, and plainly nonfactual. And no matter which alternatives are provided, I'm 100% you'll just ignore them and move on...right? Like I said, "Characters" and "Other Characters" works perfectly, compared to "Complete Beings" being far too literal. All I'm saying is...even as a placeholder, it's still under categorization, which means it's a citation. And in this case, it's a WRONG citation. Secondly, the quote that you guys like to flaunt around as being "proof"...once more, please read my argument up there. That quote is debunked under the argument of sentence structure and context. But, I really don't wish to argue that point. I really like to believe that you guys are reasonable enough to just accept that. As it stands, the pickle is now solely in categorization. You need something to replace "Somebody". And I'm saying all you need is BASE categorization. If they aren't of any particular denotations, then they're just characters...--[[Special:Contributions/68.230.252.5|68.230.252.5]] 04:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
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| | == Mysterious Tower Battle Music BBS == |
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| Im sorry Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but this new look is anoying and confusing, if you please.... CHANGE IT BACK!!! | | Im sorry Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but this new look is anoying and confusing, if you please.... CHANGE IT BACK!!! |
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| I think our breaking off from Wikia has earned a mention on the news section on thi Wiki and the Wikia one. There should also definitely be a link on the Wikia-Wiki to this address. If we want thisWiki to get more traffic we need it to be more prominent on the original location.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}15:30, 12 February 2011 (EST) | | I think our breaking off from Wikia has earned a mention on the news section on thi Wiki and the Wikia one. There should also definitely be a link on the Wikia-Wiki to this address. If we want thisWiki to get more traffic we need it to be more prominent on the original location.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}15:30, 12 February 2011 (EST) |
| :I didn't notice the move until now. Until today, I thought that this wiki still was based on Wikia, and I see that several people have been editing there, possibly not knowing anything about the move. Wouldn't there be some way to get people to find this site from the old Wikia site?
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| :For example, you could copy new sections of certain important articles from this site to the Wikia site. According to the Creative Commons licence, this requires attribution of the source of the relevant section (with a link to a page where the article history can be located), so you get a reason to include a link to this site. This link would have to go to the corresponding article on this site, so contributors might notice that the formulations are almost the same, realising that this is where to look instead.
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| :It would also be nice if this would get people to go away from that annoying Wikia site. I had to add a bookmark to my bookmark toolbar appending '?useskin=monobook' (or '&useskin=monobook' depending on the URL) to the current data in the location bar just in order to read that site! --[[Special:Contributions/212.247.11.156|212.247.11.156]] 23:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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| ::We actually can't advertise this site on the wikia site, as the people who own the wikia site (wikia) would erase that and ban anyone who put it up. The most we can do is put links to this site on the userpages of the people who've left the old site, which we've done.
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| ::Copying the content over to the old site would just make the old site easier to find on google, because of how it's algorithms work. On the long haul, it's better for us to just keep making high-quality, unique content so that we appear higher on google searches.
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| ::Yeah, we know, Oasis sucks.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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| Hey guys, sorry If I am out of place here; but I was wondering if someone could add a SEIWA area to the front page? Thank you for your time, [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 01:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC).
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| :Also, in the NIWA wikis, the logo's color is changed to match each wiki's overall color scheme. Would anyone object to me doing the same here? --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 23:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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| ::By chance, do you mean how some NIWA wiki's have the NIWA logo, [http://media.gamewiki.com/metroidwiki/images/thumb/9/9c/NIWALogo.png/220px-NIWALogo.png like so]?
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| :::Like, in some places it's red while in others it's blue or green or pink in order to match that wiki's theme. --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 02:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
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| ::::Ah, yeah. Minor cosmetic changes would probably be fine. So long as it is simple like a color change or something. ;). [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC).
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| :Hold on, I'll go get the Hi-res version {{User:Erry/Sig}} 02:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Here: http://i40.tinypic.com/5nu979.png {{User:Erry/Sig}} 02:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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| :::Look's good.... especially the High-Def Vision. Also, was that a question? [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 20:32, 11 November 2011 (UTC).
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| ::::Can someone with coding knowledge put [[Template:SEIWA|the template]] onto the main page so that it looks like [http://goldensunwiki.net/Main_Page this]? --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 01:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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| :::::I tried, but the template's coding conflicts with whatever I try. The template's content goes outside my divs, even though it isn't supposed to. --<span style="font-weight: bold">[[User:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF7F">So</span>]][[User talk:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF00">ve</span>]]</span> 01:33, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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| ::::::Will that work? if not, feel free to change it, [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC).
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| :::::::It would look better if it was directly under the Helping out box, but something in the template screws it up when I try to place it there. --<span style="font-weight: bold">[[User:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF7F">So</span>]][[User talk:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF00">ve</span>]]</span> 02:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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| Sooo...it turns out that "past tense" is what is used to describe even in-play events on most high-quality wikis, like tfwiki or wookiepedia. Do we want to start using it as well, or are we happy as we are?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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| I have an option for affiliate that we need to discuss whether we should pursue, so all staff, please show up on the IRC today.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:07, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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| hello im viper i am a lets player on youtube i am currently doing an lp on kingdom hearts and i am wondering if i could be affiliated with you guys i have a link to this wiki on my channel and ill put the link in the video descriptions as well please message me back with an answer thnaks! :)--{{unsigned|Viper5787}}
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| First, please remember to sign your posts. And secondly, what's a LP? A playthrough?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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| an LP means Lets Play what a lets play is its a playtrough/walktrough --[[User:Viper5787|Viper5787]] ([[User talk:Viper5787|talk]]) 02:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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| :I mean, if they're going to put a link in NOT ONLY their channel page, but ALSO the video descriptions we should FULL WELL accept this affiliation. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 02:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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| what are the chances of me actually getting affiliated? --[[User:Viper5787|Viper5787]] ([[User talk:Viper5787|talk]]) 02:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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| :Well considering the fact that your proposed LP will feature a link to the wiki on EACH video, along with your page. That adds more to the chances. I'd say you're 90% clear (I only say 90% because other staff need to input as well). {{User:Erry/Sig}} 04:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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| So what do i do about getting affiliated? is there someone i ask for this or no?--[[User:Viper5787|Viper5787]] ([[User talk:Viper5787|talk]]) 03:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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| Wikipedia shuts down: Why aren't we protesting against SOPA and PIPA? (Wikipedia vs. United States Congress) --[[User:NumberXV|NumberXV]] 17:56, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
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| {{LightRoxas|lea=We're an independent wiki. And I hardly think anyone will notice/care if we black out for a day.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|Also the fact that shutting down to make a political statement is completely at odds with our mission statement, and that unlike wikipedia, we have absolutely no risk from SOPA, as both our material and sources are fair use.
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| You guys are free to make personal statements, but anything like what wikipedia has ("this is what will happen if SOPA passes") would be a bald-faced lie for us.}}
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| {{(Darth - Riku)|time=Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!|text=Okay, we all know you can put a page on your Favorites list but let's say I use computer's at school which reset every day to hook up to the Wiki. With that in mind, what would I put in the URL to directly link to this Main Page instead of The Keyhole which is what comes up every time?}}
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| :Search for khwiki.net--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 17:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
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| {{(Darth - Riku)|time=Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!|text=Thanks!}}
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| ==Mirage Arena==
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| {{(Darth - Riku)|time=Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!|text=The Mirage Arena battle on the main page is wrong and I don't know how, if it can, or if it's supposed to be fixed.}}
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| {{Pea14733|time=16:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|mrhintr2=Done. }}
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| == Look at this ==
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| http://disney.go.com/create/apps/digitalpainter/kingdom-hearts
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| this was on disney.com, its pretty awesome
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| and this is a game
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| http://disney.go.com/games/play3/?content=863188#/games/play3/&content=863188
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| :To clarify: these are official KH things and should be covered somewhere.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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| ==Xehanort renders==
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| I think they make a good addition to the page, at least until we ''finally'' decide to update it. I don't find them to be an eyesore. {{The Inexistentsig}} 19:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I do, especially since they're not even official. Since it's our ''KH3D'' theme, we should at least make it Sora and Riku, or the Wandanyan and Komori Bat. It's more fitting than randomly plopping Terranort and Xehanort on there. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 20:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :::I always thought that the Xehanort render is one of the best ever created, I'd really love to see a more prominent place for it. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 14:31, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::I think it looks great. Sora and Riku already own the logo, let's give the villains a place to shine. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 14:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::Considering that I'm rarely on the Main Page anymore, I think it looks fine. It makes people think "Oh damn, they have renders. This must be a professional site." <small><small><small><small>Maybe. *sniff* Maybe.</small></small></small></small> {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 14:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::::Then we should be using the bloody ''official'' renders! The ability to extract and animate a render from game coding has nothing whatsoever to do with professionalism. I don't care how "cool" the one of Xehanort holding a heart is to people. It just looks so weird the way we randomly plop them, of all characters, on the page. The renders should at least have relevance to the Wiki-theme, which is, in this case, ''KH3D''. If you're all so adamant on using Xehanort incarnations, why not just use Xemnas and Ansem, Seeker of Darkness? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| I have prepared models of the main page using the three of my suggestions:
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| *[http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/TheFinalFantasyXD/?action=view¤t=KHWikiMainPage1.png Option I - Sora and Riku]
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| *[http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/TheFinalFantasyXD/?action=view¤t=KHWikiMainPage1.png#!oZZ2QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1177.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx344%2FTheFinalFantasyXD%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DKHWikiMainPage2.png Option II - Wandanyan and Komori Bat]
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| *[http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/TheFinalFantasyXD/?action=view¤t=KHWikiMainPage1.png#!oZZ1QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1177.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx344%2FTheFinalFantasyXD%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DKHWikiMainPage3.png Option III - Ansem and Xemnas]
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| I personally prefer Option I or II, but I'm willing to compromise and live with III... - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :I'm sorry, this is off-topic, but...damn, how small ''is'' your monitor, ENX? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Calm down, ENX. We're all friends here.
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| :::Part of what attracts me to the Xehanorts is that I haven't seen these renders a million times before. There's uniqueness to it, because most people don't have access to unofficial renders. Also, the pictures of Sora and Riku feel much too static. They just stand there, not doing anything; at the very least we could use their fighting poses. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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| I'm not saying the render of Xehanort holding the heart isn't cool. It was excellently made. It's just not ''official'', and we promote the usage of ''official'' material here. It's been our policy to ''always'' use official images if we have them before turning to fan-made ones; this has always been the case with articles, and I see no reason why it should not hold true here. I guess I'm just against the random usage of Terranort, when you get right down to it. I don't see any logic behind it other than the fact that he's posed the same way Xehanort is. Personally, I'd prefer to maintain the ''KH3D'' theme or just leave Apprentice Xehanort on there alone without Terranort or a second character. For those interested in what it would look like, here's a model of the Wiki's main page using Sora and Riku's battle poses:
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| *[http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/TheFinalFantasyXD/?action=view¤t=KHWikiMainPage4.png Click Me]
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| Honestly, I quite like the way this looks. But here's another idea: Since the current Wiki-theme is emphasizing the Square-created characters so heavily and there's no way to persuade me to not fight against the usage of the Xehanort images, why not just use a Disney character, like Mickey or Yen Sid, who is still relevant but belongs to neither category? Even a plain old Moogle would suffice... We seem to be using these images simply because they're "unique" in comparison to the same, dry, official ones, why not just use characters who would stand out against the surplus of Square's? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :At least in my view, the reason these two are most appropriate is:
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| #Unlike the other suggestions, these characters are posed to ''specifically highlight and draw attention to the welcome notice''. They point the viewer to it, rather than just being fluff for hte sake of fluff.
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| #It creates some parity for the already heavily protagonist-based layout.
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| #Without getting into too many spoilers, the current game (and saga) revolves almost totally around these characters and their actions. If we could replace Terra-Xehanort with Young Xehanort in a similar pose, that would be slightly more ideal.
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| #Using these images instead of Disney or Final Fantasy images highlights the franchise's ever-increasing focus on its own content and characters in favor of just crossovers, and on a second level, highlights our own community's amazing efforts and creations.
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| #Although we have a policy of using official material on the articles, ''this is not one of the articles''. This is ''our main page'', whose primary purpose is to serve as ''our'' face and advertisement, to both direct readers to the articles and to, well, peacock. That's why half the page is various "featured" sections.
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| ENX, I certainly understand if you don't like the specific layout, characters used, poses, anything ''aesthetic'' about it, but I don't think that the issue of them being unofficial is truly a fault in this context.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Let me respond to your words accordingly:
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| *Using two images really squeezes the text of the welcome notice in a way I find discomforting. I see no reason to keep Terra-Xehanort if I'm forced to live with Xehanort, but Young Xehanort cannot be added as a replacement to Terra-Xehanort, or else one of the images would be pointing ''away'' from the welcome notice, due to the way both characters are facing the left side of the page. I see no reason why we could not just use Young Xehanort, since we could say he's holding his hand out "towards the welcome notice," and it's offical material. Not to mention it'd loosen up the text in the welcome notice a bit. Right now, the images we're using may as well just be fluff used simply because they're fluff on the grounds that they're not official. Not to mention the poses are rather corny in my opinion.
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| *I never agreed with the Wiki's merging Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort together with Terra-Xehanort being the main article (may be the source of some of my discomfort in terms of this). I saw the logic behind it, but I never supported/agreed with it, the same way I never supported/agreed with changing "Xehanort's Heartless" to "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" or "Lingering Sentiment" to "Lingering Will." But I digress. The point is, I'm very unhappy with the usage of Terra-Xehanort, since that was only a ''Birth by Sleep''-relevant character. If you want something that applies to the whole series, than we may as well use characters who ''appear'' in the whole series or change the Wiki-theme to be relevant to the entire series rather than a single game. Thus I still suggest using the Young Xehanort render alone. This way, he's relevant to the Wiki-theme ''and'' still serves the same purpose as the Terra-Xehanort and Xehanort renders.
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| *Young Xehanort is, in essence, the main antagonist of ''KH3D'', thus it would emphasize him as such. The fact he's an antagonist in and of himself contrasts the protagonist-heavy Wiki-theme, which, may I point out, uses ''KH3D'' ''protagonists''! I've always been big on consistency, especially in terms of aesthetics, so using Young Xehanort would really ease my present discomfort, and it serves as a fair compromise in my opinion.
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| *Young Xehanort, again, accomplishes the same things alone as the two Xehanort renders: he emphasizes "the series' ever-increasing focus on its own content." I in no way deny that the community is skilled and creative, but you're basically saying we're all in favor of using fanart, which is all these renders are. I could see the Keyhole doing something like this, but since this is a more official site where we emphasize the official content and enforce its usage so heavily, this creates a discomforting contradiction. A user page is where the community's skill and creativity should be featured, and no where else. Not to mention using the main page to emphasize the community's more creative side and "skill" strikes me as a bit snobbish and conceited.
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| *True, this is not one of the articles, but the main page is the "first impression" our readers/visitors get of our site. We want to "advertise" that we're serious about the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series and promise reliable, ''official'' content right from the very get-go. The usage of these images contradicts everything we stand for in my opinion, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want to delve deeper into a site that is so unprofessional with its images and how they're handled. You may as well cover the entire main page in fanart and unofficial content. I'm not buying your "various featured sections" argument, either, simply on the grounds that we use these sections to "advertise" ''official'' content, for the most part.
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| ::I truly do not mean to be as antagonistic or difficult as I seem to be coming across with all of this. I truly hope we can reach some sort of middle-ground. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 14:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| It's just two pictures. Nothing big. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 14:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :''Young Xehanort cannot be added as a replacement to Terra-Xehanort, or else one of the images would be pointing away from the welcome notice...''
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| :''If we could replace Terra-Xehanort with Young Xehanort in a '''similar pose''', that would be slightly more ideal.''
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| :[[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 14:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Y'know, maggosh, we could simply mirror Young Xehanort's image... {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| *ENX, the main page is already defined by our community creating a window into the KH universe. It's a simple fact that Square Enix hasn't produced a ton of "official art/text/coding for introducing the series to readers of a wiki", so a lot of creating that window is our own work (and seriously, it is ''really'' stretching it to call these fanart). We can't advertise that we're serious about the work if all we're doing is reposting the text and images from the games, instead of organizing them into some legible, cohesive body.
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| *"Fluff" and "unofficial" are completely unrelated. As I said earlier, these images have a very specific purpose: ''they point the reader's eye towards the welcome message''. They are not simply there for decoration. You're trying to say that, basically, a turn lane sign is equivalent to the flowers by the side of the road.
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| *I totally agree with a Young Xehanort image, if we can produce one that has the same "traffic sign" function (cloaked or uncloaked). As for the relevance of these Xehanort images...I didn't want to spoil KH3D too much, but it's a 99% chance these "two" characters showed up in KH3D, and in the end the game is explicitly about "forms of Xehanort".[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 19:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| For God's sake, why do we need the images in the first place?! Aesthetically speaking, they're an eyesore, and we've gotten by for so long without them that it hardly seems necessary to add them.
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| *While the renders may come directly from the coding of a Square Enix game, they are the work of one user, and one user only, a ''fan-created'' rendition of offical material. It's not the work of the community. Again, it's something a user would host on his or her page and say "Look what I made!" Sounds like fanart to me. Flaunting our "community"'s skill comes across as snobbish and conceited, a bad first impression of our Wiki on the so-called audience you seem to think these images are capable of attracting. Using what Square has provided for us (you really think they give a damn about a Wiki?) is not simply "copy/pasting" it. It's using it to our advantage. The point is, we're the unofficial "official" ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki. Ergo, it makes more sense to emphasize the usage of official material.
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| *My standpoint on the situation is simply this: Unless you ''know'' that the images are intended to draw one's attention to the welcome notice, they may as well ''be'' fluff added just for decorative purposes. The "turn lane sign and flowers by the side of the road" ''are'' the same when all the flowers do is make the turn lane sign look nice. If you actually want to emphasize the turn lane sign, then change the bloody sign itself! Don't just plant more flowers, because that's what sticks out. The flowers. Not the sign. Thus the images are fluff, and unofficial fluff at that (that's why I said I'd prefer official fluff over unofficial). Honestly, how many times do you see a "Welcome to <insert town name here>" sign and say "Ooo, what a pretty sign?" Plain and simple: You ''don't''! You compliment the pretty flowers or shrubbery growing ''around'' the sign, if you don't completely ignore the sign altogether, which most people do. The images have and adverse effect, at least for me: they draw all my attention to themselves, and not the welcome notice as intended.
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| *There is no appearance of Terra-Xehanort at all in ''KH3D'', and the most you ever see of Xehanort is his hand. If you're trying to suggest relevance to ''KH3D'' and the whole "forms of Xehanort" thing without spoiling the game, then use forms with more prominence, like Ansem and Xemnas, as I suggested. If you must used a posed T-render, I see no reason why one could not be produced.
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| And that's that. Tune in next week when "Battle of the Main Page Xehanort Renders" continues >_> - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 22:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| 1. I'd say that there's a large difference between making a work of art from scratch and taking resources from in-game and posing them using a pose from in-game. The renders are basically just a fancy way of photoshopping a character out of the game. Regarding the crack about the "community", while the renders are not the work of the whole community, it shows that the wiki has a diverse collection of editors with a wide variety of skills. Aren't we ''supposed'' to flaunt the resources that we have, and the quality of our wiki? That's what makes people want to read it.
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| I hate to be the one pointing this out, but I believe that the reason behind them being an "eyesore" to you, ENX, is due to your small screen resolution and web browser. IE improperly wraps the text, based upon the images provided. Even in my strange screen resolution (1366x786), the main page looks quite good. [http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/KRCCFNF/PorleEnX.png I see no problems.] {{The Inexistentsig}} 04:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :Okay, how about we use [[User:Erry/Main Page|this]] then? If everyone is okay with it, that is. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 06:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Not a big fan of that big space between the images and the logo, but I'll live with it. Yes, yes, YES!!! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 13:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :::I still like the Xehanort images better. They diversify the theme and show off our community. [[Special:Contributions/67.52.57.114|67.52.57.114]] 16:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::We could always make a version with KH3D Antagonists, this is just the first draft, with the protagonists. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 01:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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| {{LightRoxas|groose=I fail to see this as an issue of this gargantuan size. They're just bloody renders. ENX, I know you feel like using unofficial renders is wrong, but in know way is it anywhere close to fanart - the models were still made by Squeenix, and so even if they are posed by an external force, the main gist of it is still the same. I'm all for using official renders, provided they can bring attention to the text/logo/whatever we choose to have in the middle. If we can't find images of sufficient quality, there should be no problem with bringing in unofficial models.
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| *Erry, I like it. I do agree that the white space seems like a bit too much; perhaps you could shrink the KHWiki logo and fit it up higher? Also, I like the idea of an antagonist version. If we really wanted to be dynamic, we could even have it be a random draw between a variety of these sets of images, so as to give a different feel every time you visit the site. That might be more work than anyone wants to do, though.}}
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| {{ErryTalk|time=12:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)|text=Made the images bigger so now there's less space. Take a look again and tell me what you think.}}
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| {{LightRoxas|riku=Lookin' good! I would definitely feel compelled to spend time here if I saw that.}}
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| I just wish there was a way to move the "Featured" sections down without totally destroying the page so we could get Sora to the right far enough where we could fight "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" between him and Riku (so they're framing the logo), and then have the welcome notice directly beneath the images. But other than that, I'm really liking this, Erry! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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| OR we could actually finish remodeling the main page as opposed to slightly changing the aesthetics. {{The Inexistentsig}} 20:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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| == Enemy sorting ==
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| Why are the pages for the different types of enemies inconsistent as to how the enemies are sorted? The Heartless are sorted by type of enemy (like all of the Red Nocturne, Yellow Opera, Green Requiem type enemies together), the Nobodies appear to be sorted by when they appear in the game, and the Dream Eaters are in alphabetical order.
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| Shouldn't they all be sorted in a uniform fashion? [[Special:Contributions/131.128.130.106|131.128.130.106]] 18:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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| :They're supposed to be supported roughly by their order in the Journals, although there's a bit of winging it for the Heartless. If the Nobodies and Unversed are out of whack, they need to be fixed. Dream Eaters are currently all-alphabetical because we don't have a source for the Journal order yet.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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| == SEIWA update! ==
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| When someone gets a chance, please update the SEIWA box and post news, we have a new member! [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 23:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :Thank you. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 01:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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| ::You're welcome! [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 03:22, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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| == 3D Spoiler Tag ==
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| So it has been more than two weeks, shouldn't we be removing the spoiler tags by now? --{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}15:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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| :Well, if you feel like it's time then why don't you start doing that? {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I'll get started right away --{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}16:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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| == Change Style and Format? ==
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| So, with the Kingdom Hearts 3D [Dream Drop Distance] excitement dying down and excitement for KH1.5HD building up, I think we should update the site's style and main page. Either with a 10th Anniversary theme or a KH1.5HD theme, or even a neutral style. And we could get the ball rolling on any format changes to the main page that have been agreed on. What do you guys think? [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 06:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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| I'm cool with either one. The KH Wiki always has the best designs. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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| :I would suggest moving this to the forums, so that it can be stickied if there is enough interest. {{The Inexistentsig}} 19:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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| :Ok, I'm kind of new here, so how do I do that? [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 04:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
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| :Never mind, I can see that it's already been done. [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 03:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
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| == Redirects... ==
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| Why do all of the pages on this wiki have SOOOO many redirects? It makes it very difficult to use the back button... [[User:ToaJuaraevo01|ToaJuaraevo01]] ([[User talk:ToaJuaraevo01|talk]]) 17:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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| :Redirects does not effect the back button in any way and redirects allow easy access to other pages. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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| ::To make it easier for people to find what they're searching for. Just use the listed back button instead of a single click, or open new tabs.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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| It's like a redirect of a redirect of a redirect. [[User:ToaJuaraevo01|ToaJuaraevo01]] ([[User talk:ToaJuaraevo01|talk]]) 19:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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| :Instead of complaining about it and essentially wasting our time why don't you tell us what the page is so we can fix it? {{User:Erry/Sig}} 01:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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| ::[[Guard Bonus]] is the only page that does that on this wiki. It's fixed now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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| ALL OF THEM! [[User:ToaJuaraevo01|ToaJuaraevo01]] ([[User talk:ToaJuaraevo01|talk]]) 16:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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| And there's your answer. I used IE, too, before I used Google Chrome. I remember that the back button was faulty on IE.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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| == Canon ==
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| Which versions are considered canon? I am getting confused, what with all the originals and the RE:'s and "Final Mixes".
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| {{User:ToaJuaraevo01/sig1}} 18:44, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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| :All the REs and Final Mixes are considered canon, as well as the full games and HD Remix {{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}18:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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| ::The most recent versions of each game are considered canon, supplemented by the novels.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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| :::Although KHX isn't canon, as I've heard. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 06:12, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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| {{SoRiKa|riku=Hey guys I was just wondering, since the Mirage Arena tournaments are over and everything, shouldn't we take down the Mirage Arena link in the top right corner? I'm not complaining or anything just seems weird to keep it up it's almost like a link to nowhere if you really think about it: the rounds and finals are all over but the link to all of them is still up.}}
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| {{SoRiKa|riku=Okay, so I'm pretty much guessing no one here actually edits (and/or cares to check)this talk page anymore. But, I was wondering, what with the upcoming release of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX and all, why are we still using the theme (or background and logo, whatever you call it) for 1.5? 2.5 is gonna be II and Birth by Sleep (don't know why I felt the need to clarify that). I certainly don't see the sense in keeping the Kingdom Hearts/CoM and Days renders from 1.5 for the logo. So, to get to my point, who else feels the need for a change?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)|text=I also would like to be apart of this again! In fact, I've already made a concept background, though I haven't had time to post a picture in my [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab|Gadget Lab]].
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| I think the main reason we're still with the KHHD1.5 theme is in part because of the lack of a release date. When we brought this up last year, we knew the game would be released in March. Plus, at the time, we soon got artwork, renders, and other things we don't really have for KHHD2.5, yet. Not to mention, HD1 was released just 4 months ago. Most likely, we'll leave things the way they are, at least until we get a release date.}}
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| :It's not even the release date. It's that we have no materials to switch up the themes. Since I manned the KH HD 1.5 theme, and partially, the KH3D theme, we haven't had any material for 2.5 (Boxart, to use in the logo, argyle-like pattern for the background.), pretty much everything we know is what colors we'll be using. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 09:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)|default=I think 2.5 will use the same background theme as 1.5 so there's no need to change the skin. What we could do once 2.5's release date is announced, is change the logo and icons to suit 2.5's games. The logo could be updated to whatever new models, of Sora, Riku and Kairi, 2.5's box cover will have. And on the main page, we could replace Sora, Kairi and Riku with their KH2 renders and Roxas, Axel and Xion with Ventus, Terra and Aqua to match BBS.}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=19:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)|text=I would imagine that, like the logo, the color scheme would probably be a little lighter. And, of course, the icons would probably change (have to incorporate the Mark of Mastery and Recusant's Sigil now).}}
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| ==Technical Difficulties==
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Is anyone else experiencing issues with the wiki? I tried to get, but it says that the site was experiencing technical difficulties. I think it stopped now, but I want to make sure if anyone knew why the site was acting glitchy.}}
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| The site went down the other for a little bit and was messing up then...I haven't ran across any problems on my end...yet. Anything specific on what problems you're seeing? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 21:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=It wouldn't load for the most part. A few times, I got a white web page saying that it's having technical difficulties, but that's it. I think it's okay now.}}
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| ==Changing the characters in front==
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| I haven't got much time to type this out, but I was wondering... We have the players' avatar parts in [[Player_(KHχ)|here]], and colour palettes for their hair and skin and stuff. I wonder if we could design some players for the front page? Is it possible to turn this thing into a contest of sorts, or would it be too complicated?
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| Obviously Ephemera and his Chirithy have to appear somewhere there as well. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 08:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :We could have Ephemera, Chirithy and the robed figure as a trio on one side and on the other side, we could have Players. Rather than designing some Players specifically for the magazine, we could ask the wiki's KHX-playing editors to send a screenshot of their Players and we can crop it out for the main page. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Why don't we use some of the Foretellers? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :::I considered that too, but we'd only have three of five Foretellers so some Unions might feel left out. Are there any "main" Unions or are they all on an equal standing to each other? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::Why not three Foretellers on one side and the other two + Ephemera/Chirithy/Unknown on the other? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:10, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :As for designing new players for the front page: Let's just say it's not impossible but without deeper understanding about flash and the game's coding it would be a very complicated puzzle with hundreds of pieces that can change their sizes and orientations. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 12:11, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| I wasn't thinking so much about Flash or the game's coding (let's be honest, something like this would run from ActionScript, HTML5 or something of equal power, and could easily be ported to mobile devices). What I was thinking of, instead, was on these lines:
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| Have someone with Photoshop, use the colour palettes available here to modify skin, eyes and hair, and then match the costumes to the respective body. There, character is made! And besides, how gaily decorated a character is would depend on in-game purchases, something that not all of us could do. We stick with stuff that is readily available to us so as not to flout laws. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 12:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :You're right, it's not that that complicated to change the hair or skin color but the costumes themselves are not made of one piece that is simply pasted over the body but every part (hat, boots, upper body etc.) consists of many different shapes, the images I uploaded here are just the preview pictures of the avatar menu not the whole costumes. Maybe I don't understand how you would change the costumes though. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 13:32, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| There's this picture from KHInsider; wonder if we could use the avatars here? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 16:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| Honestly, I don't think we should use random people's avatars (it feels a bit plagiarise-y). How about we use all five Foretellers and have three Foretellers + Chirithy on one side and two Foretellers + Ephemera on the other side? That excludes the robed figure, but he's already in the logo and he's not even a named character anyway. It also does mean that there's four characters on one side but Chirithy is teensy so it shouldn't look cluttered. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :I agree with FM. We can't just go and use other people's avatars, and I'm sure nobody would mind having four (or three-and-a-half) characters on one side. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| Hang on, hang on, hang on: Plagiarise-y? The parts are predominantly from within ''Kingdom Hearts'' for crying out loud. Sure, there are some original-looking clothes, but then there are going to be people dressed up as Shiki and Neku and goodness knows who else.
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| I suppose if we created our own avatars, that'd work, but then someone else would complain that we "stole" their idea, when in actual fact, EVERYTHING COMES FROM SODDING SQUARE ENIX AND DISNEY. If this was Animal Crossing, where we could sew our actual own patterns on to dresses, then I'd be worried about plagiarism. Also, I would like to see Unchained X's terms and conditions; surely there have to be some around. There ''has'' to be a EULA for us to read, to see just how the avatars can be used etc. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 17:56, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :I don't really see it as plagiarism, but if I were playing the game, I would create a unique (or as unique as possible) avatar, and it would be weird to see the exact same avatar on our Main Page. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :::It's definitely legal to do, just maybe not in good taste. We could use our own avatars (which is why I proposed we use avatars of KHWikians who play the game) but I think it does have more sense to have the Foretellers on there. They're really plot-essential. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::These are not images of random avatars but promotional material by SquareEnix to display the new (and old) costumes. If we wanted to use the Foretellers the Clocktower scene would probably fitting, I uploaded it without background and in higher resolution [http://www.mediafire.com/view/blteb8559lylpzu/Foreteller_and_Unknown.png here]. It would also be possible to construct a similiar image with their Keyblades if needed. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:47, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ===Gathering Avatars===
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| Right now, I am scouring the Net for KHX avatars displayed on Famitsu and KHInsider news articles. I'll also be separating those from people who are playing KHX for KHInsider and who have uploaded their own avatars. Will share them once I've done all I can; I'd like to know what you folks think about what I'm about to gather and show. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 17:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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| EDIT 17:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC): Never mind, let's forget this section even existed. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]'''
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| ===Renewed Discussion===
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| I would like to renew the discussion of new character decals for use on the main page. I have a few ideas:
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| *The Foretellers on one side. Ephemera, Skuld, and the Nightmare Chirithy on the other.
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| **This one requires an update to the logo, I feel, to avoid redundancy (I personally don't like the idea of Ephemera appearing both on the main page and in the logo). What if we replaced Ephemera with the Player and alternated back-and-forth between male and female versions, kind of like we did with the various logos for our ''KHIIHD'' theme?
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| **Maybe in place of the Foretellers, we could use the symbols of each Union (the Stations of Awakening)?
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| *The ''KHX'' 1st Anniversary character artwork (extracted) on the left. The ''KHX'' 2nd Anniversary character artwork (extracted) on the right.
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| Thoughts? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 12:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :I don't really have any thoughts on the actual plan, but try to keep spoilers to a minimum. I don't play KHUX so I don't know if the existence of those characters are spoilery things or not, but it's just a reminder. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:27, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::In my opinion, if Ephemera can be in the logo, he can be on the main page. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:32, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::I decided to go with the ''KHX'' 1st and 2nd Anniversary artwork because of the issues we were having with the Foretellers, Player avatars, and "spoiler-y" characters like Skuld and Ephemera. Here is what I came up with:
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| :::Thoughts? I'd say it looks pretty good! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 21:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::Wow, it looks great! :D--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::Thanks! The only thing that annoys me are the two Chirithys :P A few more supporting votes, and I'll consider this green-lighted and update the main page accordingly. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 21:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| It looks amazing! Really nicely done! (What is Riku wearing? O_o) {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks! I believe it's supposed to be Goofy's outfit :P Shall I update the main page, then? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 21:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::No, it's his normal KH1 outfit. The lighting in the picture just makes it look like it's colored differently. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 23:27, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::It actually is supposed to reflect Goofy's. The artwork posted by Nomura shows a Goofy hat and ears doodled on Riku. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 23:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::[http://images.khinsider.com/KINGDOM%20HEARTS%20X/Artwork/Promotional%20Media/1st%20Anniversary02.png Cute.] Thank you so much ENX!! It looks amazing I am so happy the main page looks centered again :') {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 23:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::You're welcome, ANX. I'm happy to see it this way again, too! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:59, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::Kairi's is supposed to be Donald, too.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:29, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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| == Color Block ==
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| @Anyone who's good at coding: Can someone fix the Cleanup of the Month so that it is the correct color? I attempted to replicate the format of the others with this box but I failed and did not save my changes. Thanks! {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 15:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :Fixed it! {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:50, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you, TSH, you're my HERO. <s> is shot </s>Do you think you can fix the Mirage Arena headline as well? It seems to be a white bg only on RoundedBlue. (I don't know why). {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 16:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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| :::I'm afraid I can't. I have no idea why it is not colored green and especially why only in RoundedBlue. Btw, it also happens to the SEIWA wiki links.
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| :::EDIT: I think it has something to do with the tables that those templates use. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::Bah humbug! I don't understand any of those tables! Thanks for your help! {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 18:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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| ==A Couple Pages Need To Be Deleted==
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| These two pages need to be deleted: χ (Disambiguation) and Twig. <br/>
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| I stumbled across the first one that needs to be deleted. There's already a χ (disambiguation), with the lower case "d", so there's no need for the one with the capital "D". <br/>
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| The second one I made as a redirect for [[Undead Pirate]] because on that page, it said one of the pirates names is "Twig." Turns out it was spelled incorrectly and it's actually "Twigg" (which I corrected). So since Twig is the incorrect spelling, the page should be deleted. <br/>
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| Thank you! --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 00:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC) <br/>
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| :We actually have a page for deletions [[KHWiki:Pages for deletion|here]]. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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| Oh, okay thanks. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 05:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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| What are we doing with this, if anything?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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| :Little blurb in the Trinity Archive box, maybe? {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 16:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Wasn't it just something Nomura did for fun for the fans - you know, as a way to say "thank you for attending"? So, it's not really canon, right? If that's the case, then there really isn't anything to do with it besides put in the TA.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:43, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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| :::I'm not sure if it's canon or not. He just said it isn't in the game, but that doesn't mean it's non-canon. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::Hmm, that is true. It looks like an anonymous user already added the scene in Naminé's and the Lingering Will's pages, though.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:34, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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| == This needs to be covered ==
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| http://www.khinsider.com/news/Kingdom-Hearts-Stain-Glass-Clock-Exhibition-Opens-at-Shinjuku-Station-on-Jan-9th-8021 {{unsigned|KrytenKoro}}
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| :A clock? --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 00:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::The Dive to the Heart Stations artwork on the clocks. Did you click the link or just read it? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 05:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::My question stands. A clock? Why do we need to cover a bunch of pointless merchandising? --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 19:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::Because it's OFFICIAL Dive to the Heart artwork. They may not be the characters' canon Stations, but it's still artwork, which we do cover. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::::But we've already covered all the artwork present here. It's the same stuff just cropped and pasted over stained glass patterns. Anyone can do that with five minutes and a copy of photoshop. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 17:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::::Dude, what part of OFFICIAL ARTWORK are you NOT getting? So what if the foreground character artwork is reused, the Station artwork in the background is the important part. Just look at Xion's, hers strangely ''doesn't'' feature Roxas. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::::::You're starting to fucking bug me now. Don't do that. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 07:47, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :I disagree, the "new" Dive to the Heart stations are mere collages of already existing artwork and hardly canon when the central characters don't even have their eyes closed. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::I second this. It's just random merchandise. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 19:36, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :Hm, why is it called a "memorial" clock when apparently nobody died? Semantics aside, it's a grandiose ad campaign in a major public area – I assume, Kryten, that you want this in the Trinity Archives? This is a pretty unique case, we haven't exactly set a precedent for running this kind of story on the main page before. Right now, I'm against it, but I'm curious as to why you'd like it featured, Kryten. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 05:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::I wanted this covered as an actual article, because it's an official Kingdom Hearts production. We cover merch already, I'm not clear why this is different.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a "memorial" is "something, especially a structure, established to remind people of a person or event". Not necessarily in relation to someone dead. There ''is'' a [[Kingdom Hearts Ultimania#Kingdom Hearts Series Memorial Ultimania| Memorial Ultimania]] for the series, remember?. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Not really? ''Barely?'' I mean, we've covered the soundtracks, which are obviously directly tied to the games, the manga and the trading card game - remember that one lol? - but our stuff on merchandise is ''really super'' light. I mean, look at the acrylic stands. Those actually feature ''new artwork'' by Nomura, yet we didn't bother with them at all. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 17:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::To be fair, we have an article for [[The Sceptre and the Kingdom]], a non-canon promotional comic written and illustrated by non-Square personnel. This is an officially sanctioned promotion, we've got articles for things even more loosely related to KH. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 21:51, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::::[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-01-09/square-enix-displays-kingdom-hearts-stained-glass-clock-in-shinjuku-station/.110790 Anime News Network did an article about it], just to let you guys know.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::::Our scope ''includes'' all that merch. Not having an article about it ''yet'' is not the same as consensus that we ''should not'' have one.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::::::Well, it's ultimately your call lol. If you feel it's important enough, then go right ahead and make a page on it. Me personally though, this just falls a wee bit into the insignificant territory though - it's just clocks that reuse the same stock artwork, not much different from the million and one...I dunno, Pink Floyd clocks! The only difference is that these are official SE merch. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 09:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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| Unchained X is under the "Re-releases and remakes" section of the home page, but we now know that it's actually a sequel to KHX that takes place in the Unchained realm, so shouldn't it be put under the "Timeline of the Kingdom Hearts series" section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.102.24.151|76.102.24.151]] 08:32, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :What is the source, by the way? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:38, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::Nomura, actually. I definitely ''do'' recall him calling it a sequel, but I can't recall which interview it was. Could be a mistranslation though - KH13 doesn't have the world's most reliable translators. That said, even IF it is a sequel, it still doesn't entirely change its status as a remake of the browser game, since it adapts it beat by beat ''until'' it passes by it. It's pretty difficult to classify, so, really, typical Nomura nonsense lol. --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 22:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Sorry, it took me a while to find it. [http://www.khinsider.com/news/Expanded-Dengeki-Interview-with-Tetsuya-Nomura-on-KINGDOM-HEARTS-2-8-7963 Nomura: Ephemer and Skuld are becoming considerably more important in the second season of KH Unchained X. Although the story of KHX (PC) has concluded, the story of Unchained Chi exists in another dimension. The relationship around that will be told in the second season, so please wait for the next report.] --[[Special:Contributions/76.102.24.151|76.102.24.151]] 17:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Back Cover and the Timeline==
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| Since the story of Back Cover stretches back further and ends before KHχ, shouldn't it be listed first on the timeline? [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] ([[User talk:Bob4894|talk]]) 04:29, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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| :Sounds good.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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| :Do flashbacks count, though? --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 16:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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| ::Normally I would say no, but the flashbacks are like half of the movie. And since it still ends before I still think it should be listed first. [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] ([[User talk:Bob4894|talk]]) 14:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Honestly, it wasn't clear to me if they were actually being portrayed as flashbacks, or just the timeline rewinding for each new chapter. The feeling that I got was more like each Case was like a step in a staircase -- overlapping the timeline of the previous case but just a wee bit shifted forward at the beginning and end each time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::That's true, it basically zigziags back and forth throughout the story. Either way though, I think it should be listed before χ for the ending alone. The same idea as CoM going before 358. [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] ([[User talk:Bob4894|talk]]) 00:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Update==
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| Hey, guys, doesn't the front page, specifically the Featured Article and Media, needs to be updated? I don't think we've changed it since last year?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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| :YES. Most definitely. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 08:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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| ::YAY! A reply! I was thinking, after seeing your Christmas theme, we choose articles to match. For Featured Media, maybe we can use Santa Claus, or one of Sora and co.'s Christmas forms, for example. And for Featured Article, maybe we change it to Christmas Town or Decisive Pumpkin. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:53, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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| == Maleficent and Jafar boss pages ==
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| We don't usually split different forms of the same entity (see [[Game:Xemnas]]). Why are these split?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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| :I think because they are treated as separate characters in the journal. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:59, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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| Characters like [[Samson]] -- I don't remember ever seeing them actually named, and I'm concerned this is a [[Glut]] situation. We need to go through all the KHUX character pages and confirm these names.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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| == A couple changes ==
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| Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ should be under the "Timeline of the Kingdom Hearts series" section. It should be placed after Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] and before Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]. It might not be a separate game than Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross], but it's still a separate title, and should be in the timeline alongside the other titles. It would make Kingdom Hearts III the 13th title in the series, which I believe is intentional. Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ is a sequel to Kingdom Hearts χ[chi], and Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] is a continuation, as well as a rebranding, of Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ. Also, the name "Kingdom Hearts χ" should be changed to "Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]" and the name "Kingdom Hearts Union χ" should be changed to "Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]". That's the games' proper titles. It's "Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover", "Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]", Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ", and "Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]". --[[Special:Contributions/73.71.161.160|73.71.161.160]] 05:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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| :We actually just had a discussion about this last month on our forums, see [[Forum:The Unchained / Union X Situation|here]]. Basically, although I think we should split them up as well, it's kinda hard to determine exactly what is ''Unchained χ'' and what is ''Union χ'' in terms of story, which is probably the most important part, because the rebranding was rolled out simultaneously in the Japanese and global versions, but both were in different locations in the story. I can't remember the exact quest numbers, but they are significantly different. So despite the fact that they are different game titles, because ''Union χ'' was rolled out as just an update, it's very hard to differentiate it from ''Unchained χ''. We've opted instead to refer to the two collectively as ''Union χ'', which is what Square Enix is also doing (see timeline on [http://www.kingdomhearts.com the official website], which references ''Union χ'', but doesn't mention ''Unchained χ''. The Japanese website is more detailed but also doesn't mention ''Unchained χ''). As for the titles, there's actually an issue with the MediaWiki software (the software that runs our wiki and others like Wikipedia). It can't handle (at least not now) titles with brackets "[]" in them, because brackets are used so often in wikitext, such as when making links and assigning categories. So we can't actually rename the pages as ''Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]'', ''Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ[chi]'', ''Kingdom Hearts Union χ[cross]'', etc. Technically, Dream Drop Distance is officially ''Kingdom Hearts [Dream Drop Distance]'', but we can't do that, either. There's really no work around for it. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 16:22, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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| ::Since the main page now has a separate "Updates and Remakes" section, shouldn't Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] be moved to that section and Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ be put in its place where it was in the Timeline section? Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] is to Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ what Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind is to Kingdom Hearts III. An update that changes the title screen with a new name and continues the story with new content. The Timeline section should be "Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover, Kingdom Hearts χ[chi], Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ, Kingdom Hearts Dark Road, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep", etc. And the Updates and Remakes Section should be "Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross], Kingdom Hearts Final Mix, Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories", etc. Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ and Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] might not be two different games, but they are indeed two separate titles and should both be represented on the main page with all the other titles, especially if you are now including updates and remakes. --[[Special:Contributions/108.248.164.72|108.248.164.72]] 02:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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| :::See KSM's reply right above your comment. Unchained X got renamed to Union X, so it's the same game. Re Mind is still separate from KH3. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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| ::::Unchained χ and Union χ[Cross] are the same game, but two separate titles. I thought the icons on the main page were all of the KH titles, not just the games. Or else χ Back Cover and Re Mind wouldn't be on there. χ Back Cover is a movie, not a game, and Re Mind is a DLC extension of KH3, not a whole separate game. And Union χ[Cross] is a downloadable extension and rebranding of Unchained χ. The first half of the game is still referred to as Unchained χ. Technically, if someone downloaded Unchained χ before it was rebranded to Union χ[Cross] and they chose to never update their game, they would still have Unchained χ. That's still technically what the non-updated vanilla base game is called. It's still a title that happened and counts. You're acting like Union χ[Cross] is just a renaming of Unchained χ, but it's also an extension with continued story. It was advertised as a sort of "season two" of Unchained χ. Also, one of the sections on the front page is called "Updates and Remakes." Union χ[Cross] is an update, is it not? --[[Special:Contributions/108.248.164.131|108.248.164.131]] 12:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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| :::::Unchained χ is a forced update though, even if you had a version prior to 2.3.0/2.5.0 you wouldn't be able to play it. The whole situation was a nightmare, that's why we voted to replace Unchained χ icon with Union χ icon. Everything that is part of Unchained χ is part of Union χ now. The same can't be said about Re Mind which is mostly separate from KHIII. I don't have anything against adding the Unchained icon back to the timeline and putting the Union icon in the update section though. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 17:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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| Weren't they originally listed as separate titles? I can't recall since at the time I didn't really do much than just refer to this wiki now and again, but I think they were. And honestly, with a ''second'' rebranding on the horizon, it's gonna be difficult to keep track of everything otherwise. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 17:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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| == Making articles? ==
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| I can’t seem to find any option anywhere to create pages (outside of clicking on links for articles that don’t exist). Help me out please?
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| :If you search for the name of the page you want to make, it will say "Create the page ... on this wiki!" You just click the red link and create the page. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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| == "Get Started Helping" ==
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| We probably already have this, but if not, can we have a forward-facing page that has links to the main maintenance pages, for editors who want to help? I know I often forget this stuff.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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| *[[:Category:Articles with unsourced statements|Unconfirmed statements]]
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| *[[:Category:Articles with unconfirmed statements|Unconfirmed statements]] (pt. 2)
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| *[[:Category:Articles in need of citations|Unconfirmed statements]] (pt. 3)
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| *[[:Category:Articles currently being restructured|Disorganized pages]] (pt. 2)
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| *[[:Category:Articles in need of expansion|Incomplete pages]] (pt. 2)
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| *[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Split|Misnamed pages]] (pt. 2)
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| *[[:Category:Articles pending moves|Misnamed pages]] (pt. 3)
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