Editing Talk:List of Kingdom Hearts series tracks

{{cleanup|All of the hidden lists should be reformatted into sections for each song; each boss track should be entered in that boss's infobox with all composer info etc.; alphabetize list and add in all tracks}}
==About==
{{EO|time=11:04, February 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=About the ''BBS'' music, I have found several links to OST's on YouTube, which contain the supposed titles of the songs. Considering I haven't found any ''BBS'' OST available for sale online, and nothing like KHInsider confirms this track's release, I'm not sure what to do. The titles are believable, using this as an example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8gswWCnGc&feature=related

If this is so, I'd like to be the one to update the page. It all depends on the community's judgment.}}
:Well, if there's no OST out yet, then they're obviously titles made up by fans.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 11:50, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
{{Randomnessity|isa=The OST is out in Japan. Someone stated they bought it. That could have been a lie of course.}}
::Yeah, it's a lie. A soundtrack hasn't been announced.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 20:17, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
{{Randomnessity|isa=Darn lying Youtubites.}}

==Night on Bald Mountain/Night on the Bare Mountain==
{{SLH|time= 23:10, April 30, 2010 (UTC)|happy= Is it Night on the Bare Mountain or Night on Bald Mountain, becasue in the film ''[[wikipedia:Fantasia (film)|Fantasia]]'', it says Night on Bald Mountain, the original.}}
True, but the released Kingdom Hearts soundtracks name the track "Night on the Bare Mountain". I don't know why.  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 23:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

its night on bald mountain in the kingdom hearts credits as seen by this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_NOCzkRZXQ 86.30.108.115 23:18, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
its about 2 mins and 30 secs in 86.30.108.115 23:19, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, first of all, both titles are translated from Russian anyway and mean the same thing. Second, "Bare" should be what's considered official to KH at the moment. "[[Kingdom Hearts Final Mix - Additional Tracks]]" uses "Bald" but ''[[Kingdom Hearts Original Soundtrack Complete]]'' uses "Bare". It's a retcon of sorts.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 07:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

i think we should go with what it says on the credits as that is what it was officially called when it was played in the game sequence, if this was the page for the soundtrack it probably should be called what it says on the track listing but its not its the in-game boss music therefore the song name in the credits should be official [[Special:Contributions/86.30.108.115|86.30.108.115]] 13:42, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
:Uh huh. Because the Official Soundtracks ''aren't'' official somehow? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 01:53, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

:completely missed what i was saying i wasnt saying that night on Bare mountain  wasnt the ''official'' name of the song i was saying that night on bald mountain is how it was named in the credits so thats what it should be called here as this is the 'in game ' music not the soundtrack music i cant make it any clearer than that [[Special:Contributions/86.30.108.115|86.30.108.115]] 21:16, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

::The song is officially credited at the end of the game, and honestly, the Original Soundtrack Complete is only released in Japan, right? Unless they've gotten special permission to rename the song due to their slight remix of it, I think we can write it off as a typo. "Bald Mountain" is the name of the actual location in the film, and that name is used in both Kingdom Hearts and the Final Mix soundtrack, so it's fair to say that we've got both context and majority on this one.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
:::You don't need "special permission" to rename a piece of music in the public domain, especially when the "name" is a translation in the first place.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 06:49, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, I didn't know it was in the public domain. I thought there might be some kind of issue if they had misnamed it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

== Shrouding Dark Cloud. ==

It says in the opening paragraph that this theme is associated with Heartless Bosses. I thought Destiny's Force played against Heartless. It played against Darkside, Parasite Cage, Behemoth and others. Can someone get rid of that statement? ([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 22:57, August 14, 2010 (UTC))

Both themes play during Heartless Bosses. So the statement is accurate since it doesn't say it plays during ALL Heartless Bosses.[[Special:Contributions/76.108.136.28|76.108.136.28]] 21:11, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

==Seriously==
The edit warring here needs to stop. Leave it until the OST comes out. <big>IS THAT HARD?</big>--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 21:30, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{ErryTalk|zexiontext=In that case, I guess you should remove the names from the 358/2 song titles, after all, the OST isn't out.}}

Do it, if that's what you really want.--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 21:33, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{ErryTalk|zexiontext=Actually what I was going for is that you can't have one game have its songs with a name when it has no OST while another that '''also''' has no OST have '''no''' names.}}

Uh, what? I don't understand your accent.--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 21:41, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

==Needed?==
{{LapisScarab|time=22:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=Why do we need this page? It seems to me that it would be better to have the boss music listed on the appropriate boss' page. Perhaps containing it in the template like we do with World articles?}}

{{Bananaphone|time=22:19, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=You are right. It does seem better in the article. It should be removed. But I would wait for someone else's opinion.}}
{{ZexionFan321|time=22:25, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|hades=I personally like this page.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=23:06, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=*@Bananaphone: That was my intention. I couldn't actually remove the page even if I wanted to; only admins can.
*@ZexionFan: Can you elaborate? Give some reasons as to why we should keep the page.}}
{{ZexionFan321|time=14:35, September 25, 2010 (UTC)|hades=Not sure why but it just seems necessary.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=18:29, October 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=That doesn't really help. I'd like some more input from other users though.}}

==Birth By Sleep themes==
{{Bananaphone|time=22:19, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=Opposed to what the artivles say, not all the titles are unnamed. Alot of these tracks are from previous games. e.g. The Encounter which plays against disney villains in KH2 also plays against disney villains in BBS. Maleficent, Gantu Captain Hook all have it, and Experiment 221 and Peter Pan also have music from previous games. What about these titles? Aren't these official? Shouldn't titles like Vim and Vigor and The Encounter be added to BBS Bosses?}}

Many themes are also reused for Days so why do all of them read "title unanounced?" Just because a game specific OST hasn't come out doesn't change the fact that we already know the names of the songs.

Although the songs are identical, the titles ''for that game'' have not been released, so ergo, "title unnanounced." {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}}

Okay so how does that make them different songs? They're not even remixes which may have different titles than the original, the only difference between them is the game. I mean do different radio stations use different tittles for the same song? No, they use the same one because it is the same song, seriously should I use a different names for the champion theme for Pokemon Gold and Silver than the one used in Pokemon Crystal? Also don't say that that example is irrelevant just because it is an unrelated series.

Wow, I keep forgetting to sign my posts. I also posted the second and forth comments in this section.[[Special:Contributions/76.108.136.28|76.108.136.28]] 05:21, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
:That example is irrelevant because it is an unrelated series.
:Wait for the OST to come out. There is no basis in policy to be guessing at names for what it sounds like.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 18:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's the same song used in two different games under the same circumstances, it was a perfect example. As I said should I just consider them to have different names just because it has never been said that they do or don't. This isn't guessing, it is a conclusion reached based on facts. Seriously just because it is used in a different game doesn't mean it's a different song, if it was a remix it could be considered different but it's not.

:To be frank, your opinion here doesn't matter, because it is directly contradictory to the wiki's policies.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 14:26, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
But what if the soundtrack remains unreleased? It can't say title unannounced forever. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 01:46, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Umm, yes, it can.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}02:49, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

What if the internal names for the tracks used by the game were used? Especially for days and recoded? [[Special:Contributions/134.151.33.152|134.151.33.152]] 11:38, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

== coded ==

We need to start updateing the article with the bosses from Coded and Re:coded. I would but I don't know what the games various bosses are asside from Sora-Heartless and Roxas. [[User:LightoftheDarkness|LightoftheDarkness]] 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Soundtrack ==

There will be an OST for Days, BBS and recoded, so I guess we can finally update this page with official names :) [[User:Silvertitan|Silvertitan]] 17:43, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
:GODDAMN IT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST THIS. AS PUNISHMENT I AM SENDING YOU TO THE DEPTHS OF THAT OTHER PLACE WHICH ISN'T HEAVEN.
:Don't know if you noticed, but I'm angry. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 07:33, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

What's with the personal attacks and threats, Maggosh? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:04, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

== Ventus-Vanitas ==

Don't we need to add Ventus-Vanitas to the Keyblade Graveyard section of Birth by Sleep? Also is Unbreakable Chains the theme used for Ven's fight against Vanitas inside their heart or for the Ventus-Vanitas fight with Aqua? [[User:LightoftheDarkness|LightoftheDarkness]] 03:12, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

==TBA Titles==
{{LapisScarab|time=07:03, January 19, 2011 (UTC)|text=Since the recent Soundtracks are unlikely to cover all of the songs with "TBA" titles and this can be a significant source of conflict, I'd like to suggest a change in the policy we use for songs. Specifically, music that has been officially named in past games, but not in the more recent ones. For example, The Encounter in KHII is used several times in BBS, but it has no official title for that particular "remix".

In cases like this, I think we should put the most recent official title in place of  "title unnanounced", but add some sort of disclaimer. So for Gantu in the BBS section, we put "The Encounter", but place a notation of some kind to indicate that there is not an official name for it yet. Here are a few options I though of:

#Have an asterisk next to each title to indicate that it is a variation of the song, but the title has not been officially confirmed, with a notation earlier up on the page stating this, in much the same way certain rooms are marked on [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki talk:Project World|Project World]]. 
#Simply have a paranthetical next to the song like there is now, only changing it to "officical title unnanounced" or something to that effect.
#For cases where a soundtrack hasn't been released at all (Re:coded, BBSFM), note at the tp of the section that an offical soundtrack has not been released yet.

It's just an idea, but one I think could satisfy both sides. I'm proposing this more for the soon-to-leave Wiki, since the Wikia-Wiki will likely relax on this policy anyway. Thoughts?}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=I'm all for the asterisk idea. The BBS versions of KHII tracks will most likely not be released, and it's pretty clear what the tracks are.}}
I can't think enough to answer right now, but I'll just throw up this link: [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Project Music]]  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 07:08, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
{{ErryTalk|time=03:15, February 3, 2011 (UTC)|saix=Well, since [http://i52.tinypic.com/2v2gyrl.jpg I have the OST], it contains no older songs, even the songs for Olympus Coliseum and Mysterious Tower aren't there. So we'll have to use the older names. I'll go and put them in now and if we need to it can be reverted.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=11:19, February 3, 2011 (UTC)|text=This is an ''idea'' I'm proposing. The current policy is still to avoid using unnanounced names. Leave the titles as they are until we decide to do something different.}}

==Reorganization==
{{Asif|sho=So, running with the format from the Final Boss Battle page, should we reorganize this page so that battles are categorized by song rather than by world? That way we can include samples of each song in a clean and organized manner.

'''EDIT 02:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC):''' I made [[User:As if!/Boss Music|a draft of what the page would be like]] if we were to reorganize the battles by song. Any thoughts? Note that I have only completed ''Kingdom Hearts'' and its Final Mix counterpart, so don't look at any sections beside those.}}

I kinda like it like that. Do the rest of the sections, and let's see what we get.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
==New idea==
So, here's my new idea. I got one, see.

We cover EVERY song, talk about it and how it differs between games, list its composers what have you, and detail everywhere it appears in games. We ALSO list every soundtrack it appears on. Afterward, we farm out all the appearance info to all the world, boss, and character infoboxes. Thoughts?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
:I agree. That would definitely make this more organized. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 20:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
::I agree with this. Similar to what VGMdb has (at least for the composer part). {{User:Erry/Sig}} 22:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
:That sounds Great! Finally, something that I can help out with!--[[User:Raph the Great|Raph the Great]] ([[User talk:Raph the Great|talk]]) 07:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

What are your intentions for the Notes below?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 04:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
:They should be incorporated into the respective track's write-up. I think I'm missing a chunk, but it should be obvious as we go through anyway.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

==Notes==

*"[[Le Sanctuaire]]"<ref>French for "The Sanctuary".</ref>
*"[[La Cloche]]"<ref>French for "The Bell".</ref>
*"[[L'Oscurità dell'Ignoto]]"<ref>Italian for "Darkness of the Unknown".</ref>
*"[[L'Eminenza Oscura I]]"<ref name="Eminenza">Italian for "Eminence of Darkness".</ref>
*"[[L'Impeto Oscuro]]"<ref>Italian for "Dark Impetus".</ref>
*"[[L'Apprenti Sorcier]]"<ref>French for "The Sorceror's Apprentice".</ref>
#"A Date with Fate"<ref>An arrangement of ''[[finalfantasy:Successor|"Theme of CRISIS CORE 'Successor'"]]'' from ''[[finalfantasy:Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-|Crisis Core: FINAL FANTASY VII]]''</ref>
#"Hau'oli, Hau'oli"<ref>Hawaiian: "Rejoice, Rejoice"</ref>
#"Mákaukau?"<ref>Hawaiian: "Ready?"</ref>
#"Musique pour la tristesse de [[Xion]]"<ref>French: "Music for the Sadness of Xion"</ref>
#"Forze dell'Oscurita"<ref>Italian: "Forces of Darkness"</ref><!--

THE OFFICIAL SITE HAS A TYPO. THE ACTUAL ALBUM SPELLS IT "Oscurita".

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* The link between Sora and Roxas is referenced during "1st Mov. : Sora - Allegro con brio", which includes a snippet of the melody from "[[Roxas]]".

==Red links==
So is this for just the soundtracks? We also need to have a page for the piano collections if so. {{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:All official tracks should be listed on this page, per the above discussions.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 08:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::So then we a)need to have a page for Piano Collections music descriptions b)need to update this page with more than khII and kh songs, because this is a generic music page? {{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}20:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)