Editing Talk:List of Gummi Ship Blueprints (KH)

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==List of KH Models==

...And you get the point. Are there any stats TNE or myself missed that need to be [[Template:GummiShipKH|added to the coding]]? Also, how do we plan on incorporating such a large table into the current article?--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 13:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:::So you want to include every block's image instead of just the description? Some ships contain over twenty different block types, I think the table would get too big in their cases. But maybe I didnt completely understand how you would list them. Could you make a quick example?<br />

:::Also there is no easy way to include the FM versions of the blue prints because the enemy ships have different appearances in KHFM their stats and blocks are also mostly different, but this can wait for now because I have to get the blueprint images first. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:53, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:::I can't give an example but what I meant is a table similar to those of the Treasure tables, where it says "Command", "Map" etc. would be where the Block image is located, while the actual block name and amount is where the "location" is, and it would repeat with just those two columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

::::I see and that can defintely be done, but it will get messy if we have a ship with 20+ different blocks because then the template will be blown out of proportion even if we use four columns instead of two, a collapsible table could help here. But would that really be necessary? I mean it looks kinda messy now (the Ultimania uses the same style by the way) but its not really that of an important information that we need sort and present it, or is it? If you're missing one treasure chest that is one thing, but can't image someone searching for a gummi block missing on his ship and not finding it. I don't know, what do you think Xion4ever? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:I know I said a month, but I didn't want to wait until the whole article had been done first:

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Like this, basically:

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Should we have a gallery or what? I get rather lost on what I need to find and looking to probably set things right here in this imageless page. [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 07:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

:here's my take on it:

Slightly expanded to have a Japanese/Katakana and romanji box. Still working on how put the name in a better place. I feel it's a bit weird :x [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 19:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

:Good work, this looks promising. I think the name box is big enough to hold both the katakana and the romanjii, what do you think? Also some of the models change their apperance along the corresponding enemies in the Final Mix version, so an image tab would be needed. --[[Special:Contributions/77.184.71.226|77.184.71.226]] 19:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

:::::I'll probably start doing renders from the scans provided. Of course, I'm not going to do them all at once @~@. Maybe a few a day and I will eventually do enemies as well. Still sorting them out so I don't accidentally mix them up. What about the ones that are different from from KH to KHFM? Will that be a separate template or just simply tabbed (probably more than likely tabbed)?  [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 09:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I updated the template and after several tries it's now able to show a FM image:

I also just noticed that we need a different block list for the FM variant, so maybe we should tab the whole template instead. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

:Looks like the best thing to do is to get the whole template tabbed out. Should probably figure out how to put a notes section too, but that's just me being super specific about having ''everything'' on one template for a large page of templates. While it's no necessary, I, personally, feel that it might be a bit useful to note a few things such as how Alexander FM is 199 block and is much more sturdy than most ships. On the other hand, Omega lacks a cockpit, engine, and weapons. Just a small place for minimal notes or something. So far it looks great, except for the whole tab image since it uses different blocks and such. [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 11:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

:The problem with these lists is that some game mechanics work differently in the different games, hence why we have so many different pages for commands. With the information from all the different games added, the page would become cluttered very easily, removing the reason these it exists in the first place: to give an overview. It can work though, if you have a good draft you can post it on the respective talk page.

:Another two things: First the images from the KH Gummi Ship models are already uploaded on the wiki, you can find some links in the topics above or check them out [[:Category:Gummi Ship images|here]]. Secondly there is no need to start the same conversations on every talk page that's affected, if you want to talk about more than one page or have ideas in general you should start a topic on the forums. Thanks. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

== Shiva and Stingray ==

Looking through this I can see that a lot of changes were made to some of the blueprints to make them look like they came straight out of the last Final Fantasy game in which they appeared. The ones based on the aeons -- Cindy, Sandy, Mindy and Ifrit -- as well as Golem and Leviathan, all have the same thing done to them. It'd be worth mentioning where their respective appearances come from, as in which games. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 16:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

:For those, we could probably just do with the official FF art or sprites that best matches the design. For the original KH models, we'd have to get more prosaic, describing stuff like how the Siren appears to have megaphones.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Also, [[User:LexisMikaya/Sandbox|this]] is a really good place to start for each article's content. I think the gummi block bill of material is going to have to be a separate table on the page, similar to how we do the Spirit Boards, but I'll have a mockup of the article infobox up in a jiff.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, done. It will eventually need code to allow for the NA/JP different blueprints, as well as stuff like Cindy A and Cindy B, but this should be enough to get article started.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

:3. Every enemy variant may or may not have a ''Normal'' and ''Fast'' type. These types don't look different but (like every variant) may drop different stuff and can appear on different [[Forum:Notes 37, (KH, Gummi_Routes)|routes]].

:Here is a complete enemy list:

:Starting with the Final Mix I will crop the enemy renders from the Ultimania now. The Japanese version of KH is underway, I'm not sure what can be done about the International enemy models of Shiva and Ahriman at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)