Editing Talk:List of Gummi Ship Blueprints (KH)

{{Azul|time=04:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Do List pages usually have tags?}}

==Table tryout==
''Attempting to work on the table for this page. I need: 1) a space for the Kingdom Hearts version of the blueprint, 2) a space for the Final Mix version of the blueprint, 3) a space for the blueprint name, and 4) a space for where the blueprint is obtained. If anyone can help me out with this, I'll be grateful!''

''EDIT 22:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC) I need to confirm what kind of stats the KH1 gummi ships have, and where to put the obtention details, and how we're going to make a space for the FM version of the blueprint. HELP PLEASE!!'' <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="goldenrod">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#CC0000">Ensemble !</font>]]'''
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{{GummiShipKH
|name=Kingdom
|image=[[Image:Model Highwind.png]]
|Defense=3
|Speed=1
|Attack=1
|How=Default model obtained at start of game
|Missing stat=<whatever stat we need here>
|Missing stat2=<whatever stat we need here>
}}
{{-}}

==List of KH Models==
{{GummiShipKH
|name=Kingdom
|image=[[Image:Model Highwind.png]]
|syslv=-
|comlv=COM. LV1
|defense=★★★
|speed=★☆☆
|attack=★☆☆
|blocks=Cure-G x1, Fire-G x2, Thunder-G x1, Aero-G ◄ x1, Aero-G ► x1, Aerora-G ◄ x1, Aerora-G ► x1, Protect-G {{gb|cu}}x5, Protect-G {{gb|we}}x12, Protect-G {{gb|py}}x4,  Protect-G {{gb|cy}}x6, Protect-G {{gb|co}}x2, Protect-G {{gb|do}}x2
|how=Default model obtained at start of game.
}}
{{-}}<!---
{{GummiShipKH
|name=Hyperion
|image=INSERT IMAGE HERE (most likely in unused images category
|Defense=3
|Speed=3
|Attack=3
|How=Kill 5,000 Heartless, learn all Summons, then talk to Geppetto
|Missing stat=<whatever stat we need here>
|Missing stat2=<whatever stat we need here>
}}
{{-}}
{{GummiShipKH
|name=Geppetto
|image=INSERT IMAGE HERE (most likely in unused images category
|Defense=3
|Speed=1
|Attack=1
|How=Geppetto's House
|Missing stat=<whatever stat we need here>
|Missing stat2=<whatever stat we need here>
}}
{{-}}
{{GummiShipKH
|name=Cid
|image=INSERT IMAGE HERE (most likely in unused images category
|Defense=3
|Speed=1
|Attack=0
|How=Kill 500 Heartless, then talk to Geppetto
|Missing stat=<whatever stat we need here>
|Missing stat2=<whatever stat we need here>
}}
{{-}}
{{GummiShipKH
|name=Leon
|image=INSERT IMAGE HERE (most likely in unused images category
|Defense=3
|Speed=2
|Attack=3
|How=Kill 4,000 Heartless, then talk to Geppetto
|Missing stat=<whatever stat we need here>
|Missing stat2=<whatever stat we need here>
}}
{{-}}--->

...And you get the point. Are there any stats TNE or myself missed that need to be [[Template:GummiShipKH|added to the coding]]? Also, how do we plan on incorporating such a large table into the current article?--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 13:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:How does that look? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 15:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::Dang it, Shard. There you go again one-up'ing me. Haha. ^_^ It looks great. Nice job. I am quite curious, though. How did you obtain the levels ["COM.LV1"], and the blocks? The guide only lists the defense, speed, attack, and how it is obtained. Did you physically remove the ship apart to get the blocks? o.o--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 17:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::The SYS and COM levels are from the Ultimania, the block list too but there is a gamefaq that also covers this information [http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/516587-kingdom-hearts/faqs/19538 here]. I'm currently working on a way to make the block image insertion easier. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:27, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:I see. I will leave this alone then until you finish your test/coding edits.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 17:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::The blocks should be an image on the left cell of a 2x2 table while the actual name and amount are on the left cell. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 17:44, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::So you want to include every block's image instead of just the description? Some ships contain over twenty different block types, I think the table would get too big in their cases. But maybe I didnt completely understand how you would list them. Could you make a quick example?<br />
:::Also there is no easy way to include the FM versions of the blue prints because the enemy ships have different appearances in KHFM their stats and blocks are also mostly different, but this can wait for now because I have to get the blueprint images first. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:53, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::About the images: Some are already uploaded -> [[:File:CindyB KHFM.png|Cindy type B KHFM]], [[:File:CindyA KHFM.png|Cindy type A KHFM]], [[:File:CindyA KH.png|Cindy type A KH]], [[:File:CindyB KH.png|Cindy type B KH]] That is all of them from the unused images category.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 18:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't give an example but what I meant is a table similar to those of the Treasure tables, where it says "Command", "Map" etc. would be where the Block image is located, while the actual block name and amount is where the "location" is, and it would repeat with just those two columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I see and that can defintely be done, but it will get messy if we have a ship with 20+ different blocks because then the template will be blown out of proportion even if we use four columns instead of two, a collapsible table could help here. But would that really be necessary? I mean it looks kinda messy now (the Ultimania uses the same style by the way) but its not really that of an important information that we need sort and present it, or is it? If you're missing one treasure chest that is one thing, but can't image someone searching for a gummi block missing on his ship and not finding it. I don't know, what do you think Xion4ever? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:Erry's idea sounds ideal if each individual Gummi Ship/blueprint had it's own article. You could have separate tables: one, like Shard has above, showing a rundown of the ship information. Then, you could create a tab table like Erry proposed to show the blocks used in the ship. Or, if we want to keep all blue prints on this page, how about this? Use Shard's table for all blue prints. However, create a new section- as in, <nowiki>==NEW SECTION==</nowiki>- on the blueprint page with Erry's tab chart, showing the Gummi Blocks each blue print uses. Just a thought.

I must agree with Shard though, that the coding would be pretty massive. Not only that, but the chart would look disproportional if the collapsible/tab information was rather large. If the Ultimania is doing it as the table above shows, I'm okay with that. I agree that the Gummi Blocks should be shown, but as to be it in Shard's table, I think not. I call for a reformating of the actual article. What about the information not listed on the above table? [The gummi ship routes explaining where the blueprint can be obtained.] I find it much easier to list in the tables "Dropped by Omega enemies" versus "Dropped by Omega enemies, which can be found on the Hollow Bastion-End of the World route."--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 21:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:I know I said a month, but I didn't want to wait until the whole article had been done first:
{{nihongo|Kingdom<br>|キングダム|Kingudamu}}
{{GummiShipKH2
|name=Kingdom
|kana=キングダム
|romaji=Kingudamu
|image=[[File:Model Highwind.png]]
|syslv=-
|comlv=1
|defense={{st}}{{st}}{{st}}
|speed={{st}}{{sto}}{{sto}}
|attack={{st}}{{sto}}{{sto}}
|b1=Cure-G|q1=1
|b2=Fire-G|q2=2
|b3=Thunder-G|q3=1
|b4=Aero-G ◄|q4=1
|b5=Aero-G ►|q5=1
|b6=Aerora-G ◄|q6=1
|b7=Aerora-G ►|q7=1
|b8=Protect-G (cube)|q8=5
|b9=Protect-G (wedge)|q9=12
|b10=Protect-G (pyramid)|q10=4
|b11= Protect-G (cylinder)|q11=6
|b12=Protect-G (cone)|q12=2
|b13=Protect-G (dome)|q13=2
|obtain=Default model obtained at start of game.
}}
{{-}}

As for the blocks: I think it would work best to have a 8x5 table listing block1 through block20, with pictures and a tally list. So, block1=Cure-G, block1q=1, etc. The gummi block images would link to the gummi block on the gummi block list. This would be a table within the main ship infobox.

Like this, basically:

{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:center; font-size:10px" align="center"
|[[File:Engine Vernier-G.png|25px|link=Vernier-G]]||1
|[[File:Engine Booster-G.png|25px|link=Booster-G]]||2
|[[File:Engine Thruster-G.png|25px|link=Thruster-G]]||3
|[[File:Engine Propeller-G.png|25px|link=Propeller-G]]||1
|-
|[[File:Engine Mini-Propeller-G.png|25px|link=Mini=Propeller-G]]||5
| ||
| ||
| ||
|}

It might help the spacing by switching the name and image cells so that none of the rows are enlarged too much.

This should not be too ridiculous to code, either.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:This looks really good and it would fit with the KHII template too, so maybe we should redo it, to see how it works out. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 15:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan. Nice work, Kryten.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 15:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
::We're gonna need to figure out how to get the protect-g symbols to show up correctly within a link, but otherwise that's what I was thinking of. Modify as you see fit.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I think there is no way to do it, we'll have to use the same names that are already on the armor gummi page (Protect-G (Quarter-Sphere) for example), but at least the image will be correct. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 19:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Ha! I think you're the only one able to upload Gummi Block images anyway, so just make sure that whatever naming scheme you choose is applied to the list of blocks, too. Once you have a basic scheme determined, we can activate the image template so that it shows blocks instead of the placeholder.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

==Ultimania scans and information==
{{ShardofTruth|time=21:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)|talk=Okay, the template works, all we need to do now is to fill in the images and create the actual articles. Because I'm doing the KH3D renders at the moment I don't have the time to crop the gummi images and on top of that I will be under stress the next three months so my contributions will dwindle down. That's why I'll post the scanned Ultimania pages for the gummi ships and gummi enemies here, in case someone likes to help out with the images or just wants to read the text etc.<br />
*[http://www.mediafire.com/?h3309vmj4vicz0n KH Gummi enemies (pages 444-448)]
*[http://www.mediafire.com/?r73mzb52aagjqas ★ explanation, KH Gummi parts and blueprints (pages 456, 462-467)]
*[http://www.mediafire.com/?lzd8ax1btbyhp1f KHFM Gummi enemies, new parts and blueprints (pages 598-603)]
I don't think anyone outside of this wiki is really interested in these scan but please don't reupload them somewhere else, thanks.}}

== Images ==

Should we have a gallery or what? I get rather lost on what I need to find and looking to probably set things right here in this imageless page. [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 07:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:here's my take on it:
{{User:LexisMikaya/GummiShipKH
|name={{nihongo|Kingdom Model|キングダムモデル|kindedamu moderu}}
|image=[[File:Model Kingdom KH.png|135px]]
|syslv=SYS. UP 0
|comlv=COM LV. 1
|japanese=キングダムモデル
|romanji=kindedamu moderu
|defense=★★★ (3)
|speed=★☆☆ (1)
|attack=★☆☆ (1)
|blocks=1x Cure-G, 2x Fire-G, 5x Protect-G {{gb|cu}}, 12x Protect-G {{gb|we}}, 4x Protect-G {{gb|py}}, 6x Protect-G {{gb|cy}}, 2x Protect-G {{gb|co}}, 2x Protect-G {{gb|do}}, 1x Aero-G ◄, 1x Aero-G ►, 1x Aerora-G ◄, 1x Aerora-G ►, 1x Thunder-G
|how=The default model; obtained at the beginning of the game
}}
Slightly expanded to have a Japanese/Katakana and romanji box. Still working on how put the name in a better place. I feel it's a bit weird :x [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 19:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:Good work, this looks promising. I think the name box is big enough to hold both the katakana and the romanjii, what do you think? Also some of the models change their apperance along the corresponding enemies in the Final Mix version, so an image tab would be needed. --[[Special:Contributions/77.184.71.226|77.184.71.226]] 19:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
::I'm probably just used to everything being in a separate box. I made 2 others, and ripping from the scans will be a while. I'll do some comparisons when I find my copy of normal KHI. [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 20:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:::(New to this type of threading btw) I found the scans did include KHI as well. I should really sort it into folders. Alexander looks completely different in FM. I'll work on it as I keep at this gummi ship project[[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 20:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
::As far as this goes, the template seen above already has everything but the name parameters, which I can add right in. Consensus was to use the previous template, so it'd probably be more efficient to work on implementing that one on the page than continuing the draft you presented just now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:::I also added a notes section, but not sure if that's ever gonna by used. Also I'm rather new to this wiki so not really sure where to start and looked at the talk page for ideas.[[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 22:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Kryten's template is completely functional now as all the gummi block images have been uploaded already, I also think we should go from here. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::I'll probably start doing renders from the scans provided. Of course, I'm not going to do them all at once @~@. Maybe a few a day and I will eventually do enemies as well. Still sorting them out so I don't accidentally mix them up. What about the ones that are different from from KH to KHFM? Will that be a separate template or just simply tabbed (probably more than likely tabbed)?  [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 09:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I updated the template and after several tries it's now able to show a FM image:
{{GummiShipKH2
|name=Cindy
|kana=マグ
|romaji=Magu
|image=[[File:Model Cindy KH.png|128x128px]]
|FMimage=[[File:Model Cindy KHFM.png|128x128px]]
|syslv=-
|comlv=1
|defense={{st}}{{st}}{{sto}}
|speed={{st}}{{sto}}{{sto}}
|attack={{st}}{{sto}}{{sto}}
|b1=Cure-G|q1=1
|b2=Fire-G|q2=2
|b3=Thunder-G|q3=1
|b4=Protect-G (cube)|q4=12
|b5=Protect-G (pie)|q5=2
|obtain=Defeat the Cindy gummi enemy for the blueprint.
}}
I also just noticed that we need a different block list for the FM variant, so maybe we should tab the whole template instead. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:Looks like the best thing to do is to get the whole template tabbed out. Should probably figure out how to put a notes section too, but that's just me being super specific about having ''everything'' on one template for a large page of templates. While it's no necessary, I, personally, feel that it might be a bit useful to note a few things such as how Alexander FM is 199 block and is much more sturdy than most ships. On the other hand, Omega lacks a cockpit, engine, and weapons. Just a small place for minimal notes or something. So far it looks great, except for the whole tab image since it uses different blocks and such. [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 11:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:The Final Mix versions are essentially different ships, and so should have separate templates tabbed to the whole. On the topic of notes, I don't see what the point is; we already have an armor rating parameter, and the lack of necessary gummis should be evident from the gummi list; at best, it would be prudent to add a "Flyable" parameter, like the game itself has. I don't think it's wise to encourage editors to add an arbitrary, qualitative analysis of values that are primarily quantitative and already represented.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
::Finally have all the renders done and have begun putting it together in my [[User:LexisMikaya/Sandbox|Sandbox]]. Took a while for me to figure out how the template works. Is the format okay or is it just gonna be the template on its own? [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 21:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

==Implementation==
I'm late to the party so I need to ask how are we going to implement the templates? Will each model have their own article with a lead, template and Design/Etymology/Origin section? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 08:38, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:The enemies will get their own page, I'm not so sure about the models. They were always presented as tables or lists and now in KHII's case in a row of templates. If we want them all on a page of their own the template has to be redesigned from scratch and made more in a vertical infobox. In KHII's case that would mean we could tab the Highwind, Invincible and Falcon types like we do with keyblades (and add the Tiny Ship in there too). This would most certainly be the professional approach, but that's a lot of pages to write. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
::Can't it just stay horizontal like now? I know it would be inconsistent and won't look as great but would it be ''that'' bad? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:::The Invincibles, etc., are essentially separate ships already, so I'm not sure we need to tab them. Beyond that, what would be on a separate page that isn't already on the infobox? We separate out the accessories and items because sometimes there ''are'' things that can't be handled in a lump article, like synthesis recipes or special sidequests, but generally if everything in a series is just going to be a set of infoboxes, then we lump them together (like Sleights, before they started reappearing in other games).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
::::You can have design or origin section but I'm not sure how important that is. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::Not really, I would say. At best, we could justify a parameter linking to which exact version of the summon the ship is based on.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I think that's the way to go then. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

==Implementation, part 2==
Two years have passed since the last discussion and I'm yet to see any images or tables. What's going on?

Meanwhile, I'm scouring the Net looking for KH1 Gummi Ship blueprints, only to find either screencaps from The Keyhole, or really low-res images from elsewhere. Help please? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 18:56, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not sure why you are the scouring the net to find images of the blueprints, when almost all of them were already uploaded by LexisMikaya [[User:LexisMikaya/Gummy Ship Gallery|here]]. She was also [[User:LexisMikaya/Sandbox|working on filling out the new template]] but stopped at one point, probably because she lost interest and nobody was really helping or caring. I still find it the template a tad too clunky, maybe we should use a real infobox instead. Everything that is needed to continue working on this project can be found on this very page. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
The only reason I'm doing so is because if you see the category of Final Mix ship blueprints, the ones gained from Mission Mode have not been added to the list (e.g. Tonberry, Moogle...). There's still a ways to go with it. I saw LexisMikaya's work and I regret that I wasn't on the wiki then, but I and others should not be accused of not helping or caring, unless we ''were actually there during that time''.

And to add on to the line of Tonberry, Moogle... and all the other missing blueprints, we don't have everything to continue with this project; we are still missing some bits of information. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 19:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::TNE, Shard didn't accuse you of not helping or caring. He said that nobody was helping Lexis. That's not an indictment, that's a statement of fact.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:56, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Apologies. I'm sorry.

Back to the task at hand: what should we do about the missing blueprints? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 06:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:EDIT 16:32, 20 September 2015 (UTC): I've started uploading images of the missing blueprints. Feel free to do with them as you all see fit. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]'''
EDIT 17:32, 20 September 2015 (UTC): Sourced all that I could. There's no YT video dedicated to showing the new blueprints, and the only images of KHFM-exclusive blueprints I could find were Tonberry, Moogle and Bahamut. If anyone can rip assets off the KHFM or KH1.5 disc, I'll be grateful. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 17:32, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wasn't really blaming anyone, it's hard when you push your wiki project alone. Anyway, I could take images of the models directly from the game (like I did for the gummi blocks because the scan quality wasn't good enough), they would look better than screenshots from Youtube videos or I could crop the rest of the renders on the weekend. Which do we prefer? Model ripping is a bit more complicated with Gummi ships, since they don't have a texture I would have to color them myself. There is no difference to the 1.5 HD ReMIX though.--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 06:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Wait, gummi ships are texture-less??? O.O I... didn't know that. That's actually a first for me. Crikey. Well-- if it is possible to get a nice angle within the screen, feel free to take a game screenshot. If not, model it'll have to be. (Though ships can be rotated 360 degrees, I think -- I do wonder what it'd end up like.) '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 10:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:I need a bit more time for this, my KHFM savegame with all models unlocked has vanished, if I can't find it, I have to repeat some of the gummi missions to get the remaining one. Posing the models in the gummi editor is really easy though and I think these images will turn out great. For the enemies we will need the scans though. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:53, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can I transfer my PS3 savefile to you?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I found it and I'm super glad because I think the third Atlantica mission and the interfering Monstro gave me PTSD. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

==Merge==

I think that this page and the "[[List of Gummi Ship Blueprints (KHII)]]" page should be merged together with the "[[Gummi Ship]]" page. Does anyone else think so?
It could have these two pages redirecting to it in case there's anyone who's used to typing in the name of the two pages and it could also have the redirects: "List of Gummi Ship Blueprints" and "Gummi Ship Blueprints"
I think these two pages should be merged with the main Gummi Ship page, simply to keep things consistent because the pages such as "[[Heartless]]", ''[[Nobody|Nobodies]]", and "[[List of Keyblade wielders|Keyblade Wielders]]" don't have separate pages like "List of Heartless (KH)" and "List of Heartless (KHII)" so it seems weird to me that these Gummi Ship pages are different. Thank you :) --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:The problem with these lists is that some game mechanics work differently in the different games, hence why we have so many different pages for commands. With the information from all the different games added, the page would become cluttered very easily, removing the reason these it exists in the first place: to give an overview. It can work though, if you have a good draft you can post it on the respective talk page.
:Another two things: First the images from the KH Gummi Ship models are already uploaded on the wiki, you can find some links in the topics above or check them out [[:Category:Gummi Ship images|here]]. Secondly there is no need to start the same conversations on every talk page that's affected, if you want to talk about more than one page or have ideas in general you should start a topic on the forums. Thanks. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)