Editing Talk:Lea

Why did someone make this? Is it really nesscesary?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
{{Template:ST|time=17:55, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh come on, a complainer already? the page has only been up for about a minute. It is of my opinion that if the wiki is going to treat nobodies and whole beings as two different people (as they should be) then we should have two pages on each of them for what we know}}

That would make sense if Lea either had a conformed appearance. This is the same as giving Sora's mom a page...--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 18:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

{{NitrousX|text=I'm agreeing with ST. Nobodies and Somebodies are two very different entities.}}
{{Maggosh|text=I also agree with ST.
And "This is the same as giving Sora's mom a page"? Wasn't that exact phrase used somewhere before?}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Thank you. Besides, the founding members somebodies had pages before their cameo appearances, ad no one was complaining then}}
{{NitrousX|text=It's gonna need an infobox and a lot of links will need to be changed.}}


Look very carefully at this article...is there ''any'' information in it that does not already appear on [[Axel]]'s page?  I really don't see anything being added to the wiki by this being here.  Granted, there ''are'' pages being made for other "somebodies", but that is presuming they will have a role and story in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep|Birth By Sleep]]'' outside of their existence as Nobodies.  Unless more of Lea's background is unveiled somehow, this really should just be a redirect to Axel's article. [[User:BebopKate|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Bebop'''</span>]][[User talk:BebopKate|<span style="color:plum;">'''Kate'''</span>]] 18:27, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Spy is sappin' my joy.}}
:What does it matter if someone said "this is like giving Sora's mom a page" before? That's ''exactly'' what this is. All we know about Lea is his name and that he was friends with whole!Saix. And ''that's it''. This page is only longer than an introduction because it just talks about '''''Axel''''', which we have the '''''Axel page''''' for.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 19:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Whoa, dude, whoa! I was just recalling reading that sentence before, no need to go apeshit on me!}}

Cut it out, you guys.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Considered it severed from the present conversation.}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text= Isnt that wut the founding members pages were before we knew they would be in BbS? Intros with stuff from there Nobody pages? The only thing they had there that was any different was that Dabbling with Darkness stuff, and since that came from Ansem's Secret Reports,by your own reasoning, isn't that what we have the Ansem Reports page for?}}
{{Maggosh|text=Couldn't have put it any other way. Good show, mate.}}

The founding members are a little more important than Lea, that'd be my guess. I don't remember them having pages until after they were conformed in BBS.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 19:21, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

True.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=No, they were around longer than that.}}

:While we did have pages for the founding members, they were subject to this exact same debate.  Many felt we did not need the pages, as the bulk of the information focused on the Nobody instead of the person.  Now that BbS info has changed things, the pages have suitably changed.  Look at Lea's page...two-thirds of the text are on Axel, not on Lea.  Even the intro says, "Not much is known about him."  Why do we need a second article on what is basically the same person? [[User:BebopKate|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Bebop'''</span>]][[User talk:BebopKate|<span style="color:plum;">'''Kate'''</span>]] 20:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

{{GS|time=20:03, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=The only reason that there are pages for the first six apprentices is because of their appearances in Birth by Sleep.  If Lea never makes an appearance in the Kingdom Hearts series, then he will never have an article.  For now he stays mentioned in Axel's article, this was already decided some time ago.}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=i don't suppose we could vote on this?}}

Go ahead.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:11, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Correction: I dont suppose it would do us any good if we voted on it}}

Perhaps.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=then i vote keep the article}}

{{GS|time=20:16, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't understand why we would have a stub with information that's already on Axel's page when we can just put Lea's information on Axel's page.  We can't even provide a picture for Lea.  He'll likely appear in a future installment, wait until then.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I remember I read in an intweview that Axel...Lea might appeared in BBS, with Saix. But, I'm not sure,}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=I guess GS is voting "Against", making total score 1-1 so far :)}}
{{GS|time=20:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=This is like making an article for Gideon from Pinocchio's world.  We know he exists, but he hasn't made an appearance yet, so he does not receive an article.  Same goes for Lea, there's no difference.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I'm with Sir GS.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=You do know you've made your point, right?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Don't be rude!}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=i was talking to GS}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I know you were.}}
==Vote==
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Here. lets vote down here as not to make a mess of it up there. I vote "For" keeping the article}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Is this really nesscesary?}}
{{GS|time=20:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=My point was, voting doesn't make a difference.  Lea hasn't made an appearance, so he's not getting an article.  That's all there is to it.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Now why didnt you mention that in the first place. :)}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I think he did.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=i meant the part about voting not making a difference. wouldve saved me time. ooh, quick note, an hour ago, this had no talk page. now look a it :D}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah...Great. This is getting out of hand.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Good point. in that case: Thank you everyone that suppoted this project. Bummer it didnt work out, but hey, cant say we didnt try, Gonna end this show now, see ya next week :D}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Okay...?}}
{{NitrousX|text=Ugh, it seems like every time someone tries to help out, the article gets deleted and they're scoffed at.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Depressing, isnt it}}
{{NitrousX|text=Yeah it is. That's why I'm only fixing grammatical errors from now on, so my edits won't be reverted.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:21, November 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=Quick question, GS, why wont voting make a difference? if the majority wants the page, than majority rules.}}
{{Firaga44|text=I personally don't see a point of have a page for Lea.We practially jack squat about him expect we know he was friends with Saix's somebody and he's Axel somebody(yes i'm using the term somebodies for it.}}
{{GS|time=18:48, November 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I thought this was over by now.  Look, we're not going to have an article for Lea because it's not a suitable article for the Wiki.  It doesn't have enough information, and no Lea character has yet to appear in the series.  All information on Lea (which is like one sentence) will be kept in Axel's article for now.  Also, even if voting did matter, more people have already disagreed with this page than those who have agreed.

As for Nitrous, edits will only get reverted if the information added is unnecessary, false, or does not follow the MoS.  I suggest you stop blaming people for doing things incorrectly, and go over the rules yourself.}}

{{Template:ST|time=19:20, November 5, 2009 (UTC)|text=While that was a very impressive temper tantrum, you still never said why voting wont make a difference in the first place}}
{{KrytenKoro|Because that's not how wiki's operate, or the trolls would control how the wiki was run. The deciding factor is who makes the most logical argument - as it is now, the argument is "The name is given in Days" vs. "We don't actually know anything about him". Thus, the second argument wins. Please understand, this is coming from the editor who wanted an article on the [[Dolphin]], just because it has an actual appearance - and that was turned down, because ''there's nothing to say about it''. As soon as we get enough information to actually be informative, and not speculatory, we will start the article.}}

{{Template:ST|time=19:00, November 7, 2009 (UTC)|text=If you look at the set-up page, you'll find there is very little(if any)speculation, simply what we know, and who proposed the Dolphin page?}}
{{KrytenKoro|And if you'll notice, I didn't say the page was unacceptable simply because of a speculation. But, since you want to bring up how much speculation was on the page:

*Not much is known about him other than the fact that '''he lived in the same world as Saïx's whole being''', whom he seemed to be close friends with.
*'''At an unknown point in time, Lea's homeworld was taken over by Heartless and he lost his heart in the process along with his friend, Saïx's whole being. Sometime after Organization XIII found his Nobody,''' who received the name Axel and was inducted into their ranks as Number VIII.
*''The entire rest of the proposed article is fluff that is not actually about Lea.''

The sum total of non-speculatory and relevant information on the page was:
*"Lea is the whole being of Axel. He seemed to be close friends with Saix's somebody. It is also known that Lea must have had a strong heart in order to produce a humanoid Nobody."

Seriously, do you understand why that's not enough for anything more than a redirect? It's a rephrasal of basic Nobody lore, and one sentence.}}

{{Template:ST|time=19:48, November 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't see how that is speculation. It's been implyed strongly enough that Saïx and Axel were friends as human and grew up together, so i hope you'll agree its safe to say that they lived on the same world, second, most of those that became Heartless and so by extension, Nobodies, 9 times out of ten became so because their world was taken over by the heartless. and third, obviously the Organization had to have found his Nobody, else he would have never been inducted into the Organization. So, how is that speculative?}}
:Because it's absurdly speculative, and if you honestly can't see that, then you shouldn't be editing this kind of article any more. Every bit of what you just said is text-book speculation.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:21, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
{{GS|time=20:27, November 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=Basing your information on implications ''is'' speculation.  It's beyond me why you're still pushing for the article when we've already explained numerous times why it currently has no place on this wiki.  Either you're doing this on purpose, or you're extremely dense.  Just give it a rest.}}

== Jump Festa ==

{{Maggosh|text=Aaaaand we're back.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I had a feeling it would. Now, all we need is a picture of Lea.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Well, technically, we need the trailer to be released. I'm so damn anxious!}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Me too!}}
{{DDark|text=Well well well so Lea IS appearing in BbS....thats SHOCKING! Oh yeah this is going to be good. }}

{{Xienzo|time=03:24, December 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=How do we even KNOW if it's gonna be Lea?}}
{{Maggosh|text=He used his signature "Got it memorized?" What more do you need?}}

{{Venkix|text= Sounds pretty much like Lea to me.}}

{{Template:ST|time=01:07, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had to get that out. Finally we have a Lea page that won't get deleted!}}

== Flynn as Lea ==

Not gonna use my talk bubble as this is kinda official.  - http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4466/leac.jpg - there is the source.  Taken straight from my Facebook, I asked him the question as to whether he was doing Lea and he confirmed it.

{{Maggosh|text=What is this doing here, man? To KHInsider!}}

{{Venkix|text= Well if Quinton Flynn confirmed it himself then I  guess it's true}}

{{RN1|text=I have sent an e-mail to KHInsider, as well as posted a forum topic there about it}}

{{Venkix|text= Is it really that serious? Either way we'll find out once the game is released right?}}

{{Veroso|time=17:43, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=I have to agree with Venkix.}}

==Lia or Lea?==

In the new scans that was released, the box with Lea's name was spelled differently. It was spelled Lia. So, is it Lea or Lia now? I know I shouldn't be worrying over something like this, but stil...--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:55, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=You can't get Axel out of Lia, can you? Just a typo on Famitsu's part.}}

I thought as much. I hope we can get clearer scans soon.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:00, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=My crops should suffice until then, right? And even then I'll just have to redo them. :P}}

Yeah. Until we get clearer scans, I putt that "Betterpic" template on their pages.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

==Child?==
Don't you think it should be rephrased to 'teenager'? He really doesn't look like a twelve year old when you compare him and Isa to Ven [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 23:51, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=That would be a good idea.}}

== Radiant Garden ==

The example given, Kairi, is actually "the exception that proves the rule". She was only able to leave Radiant Garden ''because'' space travel was discovered, and this game is set before Radiant Garden becomes really aware of that. Especially because they are kids, there is no reason to believe that they could have been flying around. As such, the possibility that they ''aren't'' from Radiant Garden is actually less plausible, so let's just use this for now.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:45, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

{{Xemwath|text=They are from Radiant Garden.  There was no other way to travel unless you had the keyblade and/or the Gummi Ship.  It makes me wonder how Leon and his grew evacuated from Hallow Bastion?}}

Remember [[Cid]]? Cid built a gummi ship and escaped that way.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 22:51, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
{{Xemwath|text=Well, there you have it.  They are native residence of Radiant Garden and it probably explains why they were next to be recruited to the Organization XIII after the apprentices.}}

It doesn't prove anything about Lea or Isa. Just that Leon, Cid and the others are natives from Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion. To back this up further: We found this out from Kingdom Hearts. Finding out if Isa/Lea are natives of Radiant Garden will probably be answered in Birth By Sleep. Wait until the US release to confirm if they're actual natives.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 23:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
::Again, the nature of gummi ships is that they ''could not be built at Radiant Garden'' during the events of ''Birth by Sleep''. The Ansem Reports are clear about this, and the recent info about the Star Fragment only backs this up.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:47, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

{{Venkix|text= Just wait until the game comes out before any assumptions be made. A lot of assumptions have been made before and have been proven false. Just wait until the game comes out before making any pointless speculations that are worth ''nothing''.}}

== A little tidbit of Lea Trivia ==
Lea's not just wearing any old scarf, it's a houndstooth style scarf. Isn't Houndstooth the name of one of Axels attacks?
I think "Firetooth" is the attack you're thinking of, and what makes it a houndstooth scarf? '''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:blue;">Lapis</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:orange;">Scarab</span>]]''''' 02:34, December 25, 2009 (UTC)