Editing Talk:Kingdom Key

==Mickey's Keyblade==

"he obtained when traveling through the Realm of Darkness"

I've seen this on a few pages and I still don't get where its coming from.  Mickey's keyblade was first SEEN in the Realm of Darkness, when he and Sora seal the door.  But this is also the first time MICKEY is seen.  I dont know where people are getting that thats where he got the keyblade.  Could anyone tell me where this idea comes from?  [[User:Zephyrus11|Zephyrus11]] 23:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Here's another thought : there's speculative info on Terra and Ven taking the Kingdom Key and the Way to the Dawn respectively. Someone added it in. I didn't remove it for now. Should I remove it ? It's the last sentence in the [[Kingdom Key|article]], take a look.}}
:I've checked through the Ansem Reports, and they don't even mention there being a keyblade for each world. I'm pretty sure this was just a fan theory back on the boards to explain Riku, Mickey, and Sora, since I remember it from there, and I'm not sure it has any real basis in canon.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 17:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Read here
http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-28-29/#ar

Yen sid says it in kh2.--[[Special:Contributions/74.210.24.180|74.210.24.180]] 22:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

==Removed from page==

The key chain attached (the Mickey Mouse insignia) draws out the Keyblade's true form and power. [[Mickey Mouse|King Mickey]] uses a [[Mickey's Keyblade|similar weapon]] that he obtained when traveling through the [[Realm of Darkness]]. It was forged in the [[Realm of Light]] opposite to King Mickey's being forged in the [[Realm of Darkness]].
:I couldn't find or remember anything backing this up, so I moved it from the article.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 17:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

again
http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-28-29/#ar
:By that measure, I think that claim would belong on the Keyblade page, not here.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 18:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The thing about "True form and power" comes from KH2 in game description. [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself 123</font>''']] 18:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=That description even appeared in KH1.}}
:Where does that description appear? My item screen only talks about its ability.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 04:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=When you select items/weapons/accessories for Sora, take a look at the Keyblades. The description appears on the bottom of the screen, if I'm not mistaken (for it's been ages since I played KH1). Whilst for other Keychains, the description talks about their reach/their critical finishes etc., the description that appears when the Kingdom Key is selected (or even hovered over) '''does''' talk about its "true form and power".

Edit: I put the sentence about "true form and power" back into the article.}}

:I haven't checked KH1 yet, but KH2's description definitely doesn't have what you guys are saying it does:

"A keychain attached to the Keyblade. Increases defense at critical moments."

:I've also gone through all the cutscenes up to Sora's first, and I didn't see a "Weapon Get" for the Kingdom Key that could possibly have this text.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 05:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Check KH1. I'm positive it's at the description at the bottom of the screen.}}

:Okay, KH1 has "The key chain attached draws out the Keyblade's true form and power." Got it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 05:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

It was agreed that when there was more than one infobox, the image would be in the lead (in fact, this might be for every Keyblade regardless). So, since we have the Kingdom Key image in the lead, we don't use it in the infoboxes.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== 358/2 Info Box ==

is there a better way to have the 358/2 Days infobox to not have roxas/xion's data all over sora's? right now it's annoying as all hell to look at (pardon my language). [this is also a problem i have with [[Frozen Pride]]] --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 07:09, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
:I suppose it would be possible to move the unit boosts into a separate cell, but the Kingdom Key is the same weapon, so I don't know how we'd appropriately separate Sora and Roxas's versions. A lot of the data, like the abilities and description, does overlap. I guess it could be possible to separate it into "Days (Roxas/Xion)" and "Days (Sora)", but that's kind of inelegant.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:43, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
:I remade the template, the problem is solved.

==Days and KH2==
What cutscenes does only the KK appear in? I believe the only uncontrollable ones would be Roxas's memories. If so, could someone list those, so we can mention those in the article.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Ventus's Keyblade? ==

{{UE|time=02:45, August 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=There is a line in one of the first few paragraphs that talks about Ventus's keyblade. Should this stay in the article? Perhaps a discussion about it would be necessary. Oh, yes. A "citation is needed" superscript is placed by it.}}

== Xions Keyblade? ==

how did roxas get ventus's keyblade when he absorbed xion?

Either witnessing Xion's death or absorbing Sora's memories that Xion contained awoken the ability to dual-wield within Roxas. --[[User:XYZach|ΧƳƵach.]] 01:26, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Kingdom Key+ vs Kingdom Key++ ==
Possibly an interesting trivia note, because Roxas/ Xion's Kingdom Key+ is only equitable through the Zero Gear, it is a higher quality weapon than Sora's Kingdom Key++, which is equitable via Omega Gear, Omega Gear+, Champion Gear, Champion Gear+, Ultimate Gear, and Ultimate Gear+.--[[User:XYZach|ΧƳƵach.]] 01:46, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

==don't get it==
when the heartless got stronger i used metal chocoobo and it was weak but when i used the kingdom key it was stronger[[Special:Contributions/65.32.75.73|65.32.75.73]] 20:51, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, but...what? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
:I think he/she means that the Kingdom Key was stronger than the Metal Chocobo. More likely that you were just at a higher level.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

i might have because i had dawn or the fact that i got better critical combos before that or that or lapis sacrab might be right  P.S sorry for the confusion maggosh[[Special:Contributions/65.32.75.73|65.32.75.73]] 23:16, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

==Appearences==

{{Sac|text=It also appeares in BBS but in the X-Blade's design.}}

{{Xabryn|text=That's not the same thing}}

{{Sac|text=Maybe not, but it does appear. It could also be in the Trivia section.}}

{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=20:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC)|darkcookies=It's not the same at all. Kingdom Key ITSELF has to appear. That's like saying the Wayfinder appears in ''Days'' because it's on Oathkeeper. I understand where you're getting this from, but it's just not right.}}

== Pictures... ==

{{Dbdbz|time=22:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC)|text= I think that we should have a gallery of the way the Kingdom Keyblade looks in each world of Kingdom Hearts 2.}}

== Sorce or its just spaculation. ==

''The Kingdom Key draws out the true power of Sora's Keyblade, even though it is not the strongest Keychain. As such, it is the true form of his Keyblade, which means that it is also the default form of Roxas's and Xion's Keyblades.''

Were was it said that the Kingdom Key is just the base form of Sora's Keyblade and not the base form of all Keyblades? Because as far as I've seen that's just a fan wank on the scale of Ridley being cloned between games.[[User:Ether101 Prime|Ether101 Prime]] 11:50, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
:....it's the official description for the Kingdom Key. In like, every game that it appears in.
:You didn't look real hard before crying that it must be fake, did you?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


Wait, are you talking Ridley from Metroid? Dude, they outright say he was cloned in Metroid Fusion. You get to see it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:49, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro, there's nothing in any of the games that suggest that the Kingdom Key discretion is referring to Sora's Keyblade alone and as far I've read it isn't supposed to be taken that way. Unless someone can prove otherwise this is nothing short of a fan wank that being passed off as truth just like how people such as yourself believe that Redliy is cloned between games even thou there's [http://metroid.retropixel.net/metroid4/transcript.php proof to the contrary] but that's an example so lets drop it or you can show your argument to [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ridley here].[[User:Ether101 Prime|Ether101 Prime]] 07:03, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
:''"....it's the official description for the Kingdom Key. In like, every game that it appears in."''
:Yeah, the game doesn't suggest anything from the game. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]]
::1) You seriously see an X Parasite clone Ridley. That's why it's called Ridley X.
::2) I didn't say anything about "every game". Ridley in Metroid Prime is a cyborg reanimation of the original. Ridley in Corruption is the same Ridley, with Phazon reanimation and enhancement. Meta Ridley in Metroid Zero Mission is a robot. I was talking just about Fusion, where you SEE THE BLOODY THING GET CLONED. And from what I've read about Other M, that Ridley is cloned too.
::3) The Kingdom Key is a Keychain. It's the true form of Sora's Keyblade, but it's a Keychain. If it worked on anyone else's Keyblades, they would have that Keychain, and since it would be the "true form", it would be the default form of their Keyblade. As it is, only Sora has that Keychain. (Also Nomura has said stuff like the Way to the Dawn being Riku's true Keyblade, etc.){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 08:30, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

==Etymology section==
''This is an effort to put a paragraph into the article to make it complete; please help out. Thanks!'' <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 07:45, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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:'''Taken from X-blade'''
The Keychain's two crossed Kingdom Keys is reminiscent of the symbol of the "Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven". Although it is not seen in this incarnation, it is especially significant that the Kingdom Key has a silver blade and gold hilt, and the Kingdom Key D has a gold blade and silver hilt, matching the keys on the symbol.

:'''Kingdom Key version? (Links to be added accordingly)'''
The Kingdom Key, as well as its counterpart, the [[Kingdom Key D]], are reminiscent of the symbol of the "Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven". The Kingdom Key has a silver blade and gold hilt, and the Kingdom Key D has a gold blade and silver hilt, matching the keys on the symbol. Both the Kingdom Key and the Kingdom Key D are needed to close and open the doors leading to Kingdom Hearts, the heart of all worlds, strengthening this reference.

== Main pagetabs ==

Something's weird going on with them, they're shrunken and detached from the page. Anyone else seeing this?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Everything looks fine to me. Maybe the wiki was having a glitch earlier?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:''I'm'' seeing the navbars on the left as slightly shrunken while on this page...  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 22:38, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::As am I. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 22:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Actually, I'm seeing both of those things.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 22:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It's something to do with the <nowiki><div></nowiki> tags. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::Narrowed it down to the div containing the KH3D infobox. Not sure how to fix it, though.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 02:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::It's the tabs around the image, I'm fixing it now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I screwed up the if templates pretty bad, but I'm not sure what I was trying to do in the first place. It's fixed now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I added that tab hoping to have gotten it right, so we can show Grid recolors of Keyblades. Maybe I should've consulted you first. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 02:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:Oh. Well, silly arrogance on my part then.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

== KHIIFM description ==

''"A keychain attached to the Keyblade. Halves damage taken in critical situations."''

How do we add this to the infobox without screwing things up?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:37, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the note shouldn't be used in this case, since the description describes the effect of the ability, which changed between KHII and KHIIFM. Therefore, I think we should use tabs. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::There are two cases here, descriptions that have been updated, for Keyblades that have not had their ability changed (e.g. Monochrome), and descriptions that have been replaced entirely, for Keyblades that have new abilities (e.g. Kingdom Key). I'm going to agree against using the note for the latter, and I'm going to test a different option for that.
::EDIT: Actually, the tabs might not be a bad option. Incidentally, there are a only a few weapon with new abilities and only one that has the same ability but a change of stats (Gull Wing).  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Um.
::::The FM2 ability should be "Damage Control", not "Defender". クライシスハーフ, not ディフェンダー. Is this an issue with the English localization of the game falsely conflating names? Or did FM2 in Japan's 2.5 also change the name to Defender? There should not be a discrepancy here, as the the KH2 and FM2 keyblades should have different abilities.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Damage Control is what I'm reading there. What are you seeing?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::I had only seen the removal of Damage Control from the box, and missed that it was split off to a separate box. Nevermind.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

== Design ==

Considering the in-universe chronology, this page should probably mention the X-blade and Kingdom Key D as well. I'm not sure whether it should mention the Wayward Wind -- considering the strong resemblance to the X-blade, I kind of feel that Ventus's Wayward Wind is supposed to either be a reflection of the link he formed with Sora, or an indication that he is being built into a new X-blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really seeing the X-blade's strong resemblance to Wayward Wind-- Can you elaborate a bit more? {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 02:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
::I'm not seein' it either, and I have an eye for detail! [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Wayward Wind's resemblance to the Kingdom Key, which is used as half the design of the X-blade. I'm unsure if Ventus's Keyblade being similar to the Kingdom Key is meant to indicate his connection to Sora, or if it's meant to represent that he is half the X-blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== KHD Infobox ==

Can someone check what's going on for the [[Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days]] section of the main infobox? Nothing's happening when I click the + tabs.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 15:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
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 Can someone check what's going on for the [[Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days]] section of the main infobox? Nothing's happening when I click the + tabs.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 15:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
-:I think its having problems because both + tabs are labeled exactly the same. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 15:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
-::Appears I got it to work. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 15:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
-== KH3 Infobox ==
-Just like with Formchange and Ability, we should have a tab for all KH3 keyblades for Shotlocks as well.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to change that myself.  :(  --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 03:26, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
-:The finalized infobox will need to include all abilities, recipes, and stats at each level, yes.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
-== Replica Kingdom Key ==
-According to the Ultimania, Xion wields the "Replica Kingdom Key" as a party member. Do we want to give that a separate page, or just put it on here? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
-:I'd say separate.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
-== https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Kingdom_Key&curid=6932&diff=770479&oldid=770345 ==
-"Let Xion take from Roxas the rest of what he has to give...Or, let him destroy her first and get it all back."
-Seems pretty clear that either Xion absorbs Roxas, or Roxas reabsorbs all that she took from him (i.e., her).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)