Editing Talk:Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix

See http://www.kh2.co.uk, which now hosts scans of Sora fighting Marluxia and Lexaeus.  I don't know why he's fighting Lexaeus - that's supposed to be Riku - but he fights both of them wearing his new clothes.  Hmm...  '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott]]</font>[[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch]]'''''</font> 07:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

* Apparently, in Final Mix+, you can fight the Chain of Memories Organization members without any storyline impact. Lucky Japanese people... [[User:Wynaut|Wynaut]] 22:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
==Clarify==
There are a few sentences I found confusing in the article:
* time limit increased to 2 minutes to 90 seconds
* the time to open the the switch has increased to 30 to 45 seconds
* Filling the Drive Gauge is easier (for instance, originally you got 1 1/3 of a bar of attacking bosses,but now you get 3/4)
Can somebody clarify those? —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 04:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

:The drive guage thing is rather simple: In the original version of KH2, you'd gain a third of a drive bar for attacking a boss, but in FM+ you'll get three quarters of your bar filled up. [[User:Hexedmagica|The]]  [[User talk:Hexedmagica|Hexed]]

:: By “attacking a boss”, do you mean landing one hit, killing it, or what?  Thanks for the reply. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 04:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. [[User:Hexedmagica|The]]  [[User talk:Hexedmagica|Hexed]]
::::Fixed (or do you disagree?). --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 14:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::: I trust you, so this looks alright.  I just hope that the original author did mean ''decrease'' in the first point, and that the drive gauge comparison isn’t needed. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 18:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::How would you ''increase'' 120 seconds to 90 seconds..? And the comparison was based on approximations. Approximations ''can'' be used, but explaining the basis of them (which is usually required) would disrupt the flow of short statements present in the section. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 18:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::: The original author does not have good writing, so there’s the possibility that they meant ‘increased to 2 minutes ''from'' 90 seconds’, as the trend is an ''increase'' in everything.  The drive gauge statement can be short if only the quantitative measurement is written, because it would be redundant to say that the drive gauge is easier to fill up. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 18:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::However, with a few minutes worth of research, you'd know that the "original" battle lasted 2 minutes, which means that that wouldn't be the case. But why is it redundant to say that the drive gauge is easier to fill up? We have no 'exact' measurements and we have no 'exact' mathmatical formular, all we can say is that by taking the exact same course of action in a situation with no other variables, the Drive Gauge will have increased more in KHII:FM+ than in KHII, in other words, "it's easier to fill", or, "it fills quicker". Unless you have a better way of stating it, I would say it is perfectly fine as it is. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 19:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
(Undent) If you did the research, then that’s good.  Regarding the measurements, it should be fine to write the approximate values.  It’s just unnecessary to put ''both'' the relative and numerical comparisons in the same line when only one of them—preferably the latter—is needed. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 20:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

==Mystery!==
I find it weird that this article is accessible despite the Plus sign. How is that possible? [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 12:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==EGM Rumors==
When you guys wrote down that rumor that EGM magazine believes it will come to the US in Fall 2008, didn't you confuse it with the original rumor of the Fall 2007 release that was proven to be false.  Or did they make another article in that magazine that happened to mention that.

== American PS2-Compatable Versions ==

Can someone tell me where I can get an American PS2-Compatable version of Final Mix+? Are they only purchasable offline? Can you only Really import them in? Even better question:Can they still be shipped? [[User:KingChaosvii7|KingChaosvii7]] 22:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ain't no such thing - sorry. Easy to get hold of the Japanese version though (and it works in any NTSC-J PS2 - Chinese ones will work too). [[User:SaviourSeph|SaviourSeph]] 13:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
well, there is a way, but it's only the closest you can get to having a REAL final mix+....swap magic.[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 10:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

==Petition==
Why is the petition from ''American'' fans? There are plenty of us here in the UK (and the rest of the world outside of Japan and America) that want it too, you know. Not that it matters, since Square-Enix probably won't ever release the Final Mixes outside of Japan no matter how many of their worldwide fans they torment as a result. [[User:Sorceror Nobody|Sorceror Nobody]] 20:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== International ==

who else has noticed that the "Naming" scene in the trailer was in english?

== translate ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/935702/50361

== Japanese Console? ==

{{XNX|text=I hate to ask something like this but it's been bugging me. My best friend said he was going to buy me Kingdom Hearts II:Final Mix+, then he tells me one day that since the game isn't in english, you need a Japanese PS2 to play it. I didn't think there was a diffrence since you can change the language setting on the PS2. I didn't want to sound selfish so I just pretended to believe him. can anyone tell me if this is true?}}

{{Xiggie|text=I know that you can hack your PS2 somehow, and make it work, but otherwise, it won't.

I bought the game, and it didn't work...}}

{{XNX|text= Oh... well ''that's'' disappointing. At least I know my best friend wasn't lying to me. Thanks! ^_^}}
{{TNE|time=04:33, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm not too sure, I'm able to play it...}}

{{Xhurtemob|time=02:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Thanks for all the info, cuz I might get the game in a while... (Thank God for e-Bay!!! B-D)}}
{{TNE|time=02:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=I've been enjoying it ^^}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:59, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|happy=Good for you, but do you have to press {{button|c}} or {{button|x}} to jump??}}
{{TNE|time=01:17, February 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=In Final Mix we use {{Button|X}}. The controls between {{Button|c}} and {{Button|x}} are reversed.}}
Will some one just tell it to me straight! Can one can't this game be played on an American PS2 or not?!
:It won't work if you have an unmodified PS3. It will only work if you've modded it to play non-American/copy games. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 11:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

== Character Model changes ==

I noticed there were some redesigns for Roxas' character model (see right; there's the checkerboard design on his coat, hair has more detail, etc.) Is this true for Roxas alone or were there changes to others? (most likely the latter) [[User:Maggosh|Maggosh]] 03:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
<!--[[File:Roxas khII.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHII]]-->
<!--[[File:Roxas khIIfm+.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHIIFM+]]-->

{{TNE|time=02:36, September 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=As far as I know, even Sora's model was changed (particularly for Wisdom Form) because in the original game, the sleeves had crosses from Master Form. In FM+, the sleeves had the correct design - the blue flames. Well, we'd always expect some serious design errors in the original version...}}
{{DTN|time=02:38, September 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=As you can see, Roxas has a checkered pattern along the sleeves' crease, and his face has been smoothed out.}}

{{TNE|time=04:07, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Also, I may have forgotten to mention that even though most of the censors from KHII were brought on to KHIIFM, the death of Axel (though synchronised with English voice-acting) retains the flames from the Japanese version.}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Cool. It doesn't matter what changes was mde to Roxas, he still looks cute!}}
{{TNE|time=04:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Indeed, and added onto that hotness is Jessy McCartney's voice. <3}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Yeah! Tee hee hee!}}

== Trivia ==

{{Xalxe|text=In the trivia section, it states something along the lines of "This (these) is (are) the last game(s) made by Nomura for the PS2.  How do we know that KHIII, or KH[Insert new title here] won't be on the PS2?}}

{{ErryTalk|text=Has SE planned on releasing any games on PS2 lately? That's enough proof for me. But it may surprise me if they do... but that's another point to showing that they don't really care about the series since its lower quality graphics.}}

== Kingdom Hearts II - English Censorship in Final Mix? ==

[[File:Kingdom Hearts II Boxart JP.png|thumb|left]]In the Kingdom Hearts II article it mentions and lists examples of how the English version of the game was censored.  What version of the game is presented in the Final Mix package, Japanese or English, maybe even something different altogether?

This would be something good to include in this article.

I believe it answers your question in the article. Just read it again. I'm too lazy to reread it, but i think KHIIFM+ kept the censorship on most, if not all of the censored material. Oh and remember to sign your name with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) {{User:CaelumLucisCaliga/Sig}}

== Name ==

The name of this page doesn't seem to be correct. This page talks primarily about the game, ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'', and does not have any information whatsoever on ''Re:Chain of Memories''. This game and Re:CoM TOGETHER are ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+'', WITH the +, not just the KH2 remake. If there is to be a page called ''KH2FM+'', it should be a short one saying something like:

'''''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+''' is a combo pack featuring the following games:

*'''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''', a Japan-exclusive re-release of '''Kingdom Hearts II'''
*'''Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories''', a PlayStation 2 remake of '''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories'''.''

And this page should be called ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''.

At least that's the way I see it. I don't know what anyone else thinks. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 14:44, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

:I think it's called Final Mix+ because it's released as a bundle... And there are informations about Re:CoM, but not as much as KHIIFM, since Re:CoM has its own article. But if EnglishJoker is right, then shouldn't we make a separate articles for KHIIFM? And is this the reason why in other articles the game is referred as ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'' instead of ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+''? {{User:17master/Sign}} 14:54, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
:I absolutely agree with you, EJ. Could you start a draft of split pages?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:15, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
::That's the thing here. I'm not sure how to start the draft, and I attempted to move the page earlier on, but I can't, because it says a page of the name ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'' already exists (the redirect page I suppose), and I need to ask an administrator for help. I'll have a go, but don't expect it to work the first time. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 21:22, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
:::Copy-paste the contents into the redirect page, make this page the redirect. Problem, practical, solved. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:25, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
::::OK, I'll do it, but I thought that was generally not recommended. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 21:26, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
:::::I don't see why. I've done it a couple times before. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:27, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
::::::OK, everyone. Voila! XD [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 21:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

==English==
Hey, I have found this comment on Youtube:<br>

''Hey have u guys signed the online petition for KH2FM to be translated into full english?''

''if not google kingdom hearts 2 final mix petition, it should be the first one to come up.''

''WE NEED SIGNATURES PEOPLE!''

''KH2FM WILL BELONG TO AMERICA''

''MUHAHAHAHA >XD.''

''sorri got a little carried away. COPY AND PAST THIS ON EVERY KH VID!!!''<br>
But I don't even know if it's true.--{{User:Lukethehedgehog/Signature}} 20:33, 27 February 2011 (EST)

{{Asif|shonormal=It's true; I just signed it.}}
It may be real but it doesn't mean those bastards at Square Enix will listen.

== Logo ==
Can someone get the official KHII FM logo because there is a difference between the KHII FM logo and the KHII FM+ logo.--<span>[[User:Axeken|<span style="color:green;">Ax</span>]][[User talk:Axeken|<span style="color:purple;">ek</span>]][[User:Axeken|<span style="color:red;">en</span>]]</span> [[File:Cloud KHII.png|65px]]  01:58, 6 March 2011 (EST)